CapeXit 2

Poll is for all in South Africa -

  • Do you believe W/Cape secession from the Republic is feasible ?

    Votes: 28 34.1%
  • Would you support a bid for W/Cape to secede from the Republic ?

    Votes: 33 40.2%
  • In the event of secession being successful, would you consider migrating to W/Cape ?

    Votes: 23 28.0%
  • In the event of secession being successful, would you consider migrating out of W/Cape ?

    Votes: 3 3.7%
  • Would you support other provinces bids for secession ?

    Votes: 20 24.4%
  • I disagree to all questions

    Votes: 35 42.7%
  • Would you support a "Swiss Canton" style of governance for the Republic ?

    Votes: 24 29.3%

  • Total voters
    82
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Do re-read my previous posts would you...

You are aware that Affirmative Action, Property Clause, Socio-economic rights and right to life are all part of the Constitution.
I read it just fine. You showed me a list of Acts. That's all.

There's a property clause in the Constitution thanks to the new amendment. The ACTS you've mentioned are Acts though, created under the framework of the Constitution. They're NOT part of the Constitution and never will be.

I'm aware of the most recent Judgement regarding, firearm ownership is not a fundamental constitutional right in South Africa and furthermore ruled that the right to life does not create a constitutional right to own a firearm.

It's a shame that they're wrong about it, because of course protecting, defending / self-defence yourself, family, community etc... with a firearm is exactly THE RIGHT TO LIFE 🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️
Yet despite firearms and our rights to own them not being clarified specifically in the Constitution you've got Acts regarding firearms... weird right?

It's almost as though Acts are created within a framework defined by the Constitution, and are not actually a part of that Constitution... and hence not subject to all the additional protections afforded to that Constitution... and that these concepts are not the same.

When someone makes the statement that there are 114 racist laws in the Constitution that person is wrong. This isn't debatable.
 
We've all heard of clay pigeon shooting.

I treat some of the regulars as **** pigeon shooting.

It's become something of a sport. They launch a **** pigeon, and I shoot it down.... helps to keep my eye in.

:thumbsup:

p.s. Sometimes I spend too much time out in the sports field .... guilty as charged. It's a bit of a guilty pleasure, especially when they run out of their 1st choice of material in making their pigeons. Great fun.
:giggle:

That's probably about the best time to take a break, though.
You had me at clay pigeon shooting....

😍😍😍
 
Disclaimer: respect for many Libert. principles does not mean I ever support endless droning on about the subject in this thread.

It's a mere parallel that the local Liberts. need to piggy-back on the coat-tails of secession. Some subject expansion is welcome IMO.


Someone give me a shout if Phil catches a wake up
Unfortunately the Cape independence thing got hijacked pretty badly by the Libertarian crackpots.

Very very few are prepared to entertain libertarianism. Far fewer than are interested in an independent Western Cape.

If there's even a shadow of a chance that Cape independence means Lexistan the vast majority of people are going to reject it.

It's a real shame that the crazies became the face of the independence movement.
 
I didn't name anyone.....

.... does that mean you self-identify, as a knuckle-dragging pinko cuck?

:unsure:

Funny, looked to me like you were naming almost everyone here, again.

/makes note in "how to influence" book
 
Unfortunately the Cape independence thing got hijacked pretty badly by the Libertarian crackpots.

Very very few are prepared to entertain libertarianism. Far fewer than are interested in an independent Western Cape.

If there's even a shadow of a chance that Cape independence means Lexistan the vast majority of people are going to reject it.

It's a real shame that the crazies became the face of the independence movement.

Somewhat hijacked for sure, but wouldn't call it badly so - not much mention of the idea in the press at least.

The real issue as to why it has lost footing again would seem to be the lack of a structured plan for post independence, ridiculous oversight by Phil & co.
That and the fact that WC-ians aren't actually facing any emergency.... yet
 
Somewhat hijacked for sure, but wouldn't call it badly so - not much mention of the idea in the press at least.

The real issue as to why it has lost footing again would seem to be the lack of a structured plan for post independence, ridiculous oversight by Phil & co.
That and the fact that WC-ians aren't actually facing any emergency.... yet

Phil and Jack share a theme song.

 
I read it just fine. You showed me a list of Acts. That's all.

There's a property clause in the Constitution thanks to the new amendment. The ACTS you've mentioned are Acts though, created under the framework of the Constitution. They're NOT part of the Constitution and never will be.
Not sure what you're on about, you mentioned 144 racist laws, I asked how would you define / phrase the following LAWS...
Then you went on this weird path explaining the differences between Acts and the Constitution, anyways.

As I've already mentioned that wasn't my question to you, or maybe you just don't want to give your opinion.

But again, they're PART of the Constitution under the following sections,
Affirmative Action Section 9(2)
Property Clause Section 25
Socio-Economic Rights Section 26 to 29
Right to life Section 11
Yet despite firearms and our rights to own them not being clarified specifically in the Constitution you've got Acts regarding firearms... weird right?

It's almost as though Acts are created within a framework defined by the Constitution, and are not actually a part of that Constitution... and hence not subject to all the additional protections afforded to that Constitution... and that these concepts are not the same.
Not sure who you're trying to explain this to, we're all aware of the above-mentioned and the differences, thank you.
When someone makes the statement that there are 114 racist laws in the Constitution that person is wrong. This isn't debatable.
Still on your weird path... Anyways, good chat, thanks 🤷‍♂️
 
Phil and Jack share a theme song.


Can't agree, he's not the lazy type for one thing. Seems more a fear to commit to any singular ideas in case of that causing them lack of support, and maybe a lack of what ideas to adopt as well - not an easy task for sure.

There's enough diverse members within the larger CIM collective now for them to have both some representative authority and opportunity to come up with a widely considerate plan.


What's your take on this, Lex?
 
@NoStepOnSnek88

See how this works.....

According to Porchrat, the constitution is supposed to be this loosey-goosey skeletal scaffolding, that is entirely void of a distinct moral code, to keep moral relativism in check.

According him, a national constitution is not supposed to contain a cast-iron bills of rights, that should not be subject to the regular majority vote(*).

The legal code should instead be whatever the majority wants it to be... even if that means a net-producer class is voted into having to choose exile, from the land of their birth, over involuntary servitude.

And let me emphasize... he is not alone in this adopted Communist viewpoint.

More evidence of my claim that, on entering this Rainbow Nation Project dispensation, there were 2 distinct interpretations of 'Democracy'. And they were - and still are - irreconcilable.

#majoritarianism
#mob-rule
#unlimited-democracy

So, it's clear, already, there is more than one 'people'. The borders are therefore inaccurate, as they fail to delineate the irreconcilable core values, of each group of people.

* independence referenda, notwithstanding.
 
Can't agree, he's not the lazy type for one thing. Seems more a fear to commit to any singular ideas in case of that causing them lack of support, and maybe a lack of what ideas to adopt as well - not an easy task for sure.

There's enough diverse members within the larger CIM collective now for them to have both some representative authority and opportunity to come up with a widely considerate plan.


What's your take on this, Lex?

True, he didn't sleep in and miss his flight for his trip to DC.

Otherwise he seems to be doing bugger all, as is everyone else "involved".
 
We've all heard of clay pigeon shooting.

I treat some of the regulars as **** pigeon shooting.

It's become something of a sport. They launch a **** pigeon, and I shoot it down.... helps to keep my eye in.

:thumbsup:

p.s. Sometimes I spend too much time out in the sports field .... guilty as charged. It's a bit of a guilty pleasure, especially when they run out of their 1st choice of material in making their pigeons. Great fun.
:giggle:

That's probably about the best time to take a break, though.
You are truly delusional.
 
We've all heard of clay pigeon shooting.
I don't think this has been covered or questioned before, @lexity @Brian_G @Grant
Back to CI topic.

It was mentioned / disputed
looooong ago the gazillion dollars it would need for a successful secession / independence.

Who's currently, in this moment in time funding the entire CI movement, and has the CI movement considered or approached someone like Elon Musk for example for funding purposes.

I'm just curious about the funding behind the CI, who are the large funders to this movement currently etc...
 
Not sure what you're on about, you mentioned 144 racist laws, I asked how would you define / phrase the following LAWS...
Then you went on this weird path explaining the differences between Acts and the Constitution, anyways.

As I've already mentioned that wasn't my question to you, or maybe you just don't want to give your opinion.

But again, they're PART of the Constitution under the following sections,
Affirmative Action Section 9(2)
Property Clause Section 25
Socio-Economic Rights Section 26 to 29
Right to life Section 11

Not sure who you're trying to explain this to, we're all aware of the above-mentioned and the differences, thank you.

Still on your weird path... Anyways, good chat, thanks 🤷‍♂️
Commies don't interpret firearms as private property.... or to put it another way, they dare not even entertain the thought that firearms are private property.
 
Commies don't interpret firearms as private property.... or to put it another way, they dare not even entertain the thought that firearms are private property.
Today, gun control, registration and prohibition are depicted as benign and progressive. Government should register gun owners and ban any guns it wishes, citizens are told, because government is inherently good and trustworthy. The experiences of Hitler’s Germany and, for that matter, Stalin’s Russia and Pol Pot’s Cambodia, are beneath the realm of possibility...
 
Going to use AI here to try pick up what's most considered accurate descriptions regarding the governmental structures. We can then examine further based on that more universal understanding if we want to.

Generally accepted official definition of the differences between a constitution, a bill of rights, and the law - not too long

govt structures.png
 
I don't think this has been covered or questioned before, @lexity @Brian_G @Grant
Back to CI topic.

It was mentioned / disputed
looooong ago the gazillion dollars it would need for a successful secession / independence.

Who's currently, in this moment in time funding the entire CI movement, and has the CI movement considered or approached someone like Elon Musk for example for funding purposes.
Good question.

I'm not sure Musk is convinced of the cause.

He appears to be dead against the Leftist suicide trajectory, but not yet the Right's.

So, he doesn't appear to see the presence of the deep-state hand that controls both ANC and DA factions.

He's also a recipient of PPP subsidies. I think this represents a conflict of interest in shrinking the scope of the State's centralized powers.

If you ask any sensible, Right-leaning person, whether individuals should legally be expropriated on a monthly basis to support large State interventionist programs, they will say yes, as long as the blue-haired, nose-ring people don't have control of the State at the time.

Elon is firmly in this camp.

He doesn't yet see any reason to decentralize power. He believes there are people who will - under extremely perverse incentives i.e. State power - nevertheless conduct themselves in the interests of the people.

"[You just need the right strongmen to hold that power, and all will be well]"

Politicians the world over are known for doing something very specific every time their lips move.

We all know and regularly - except in the feverish, heady runnup to elections - acknowledge this.

The DA is not opposed to the NEP-esque Fabian agenda of the ANC. We can see by their actions, that they are loyal and obedient first to their donors, and second to themselves, by their erratic stance when it comes to principled core values.

I'm just curious about the funding behind the CI, who are the large funders to this movement currently etc...
I think the largest funders are the most interesting ones. As we know what we've come to know as the Epstein class, funds all sides of the political spectrum. (there may be one or two who expressed discontent with the DA's duplicitous ways on co-operating with the CIM).

The CI was identified by the EC, and funded in what I believe was an initial, test phase.... to see how malleable the leadership of the movement was i.e. Phil Craig.

They continue to monitor the movement, and when the time comes for WC people to overtly abandon the GNU in unison.... often brought on by a radical socio-economic shock, they will again enter the fray to co-opt the rising popularity within the CIM.

Some members in the CIM are aware of this overarching play for control through co-option. Others are not yet. Likely many will leave paying due diligence too late.
 
I don't think this has been covered or questioned before, @lexity @Brian_G @Grant
Back to CI topic.

It was mentioned / disputed
looooong ago the gazillion dollars it would need for a successful secession / independence.

Who's currently, in this moment in time funding the entire CI movement, and has the CI movement considered or approached someone like Elon Musk for example for funding purposes.

I'm just curious about the funding behind the CI, who are the large funders to this movement currently etc...

Not really an open subject I imagine, haven't seen much. Lex would know more, but maybe not a lot more. Edit - yup, he posted right before I did.

As I get it - you simply have devoted contributors, and sometimes they are first chased.
 
Oxymoron-type condition with the BoR - how to change what turns out to be fundamentally flawed (or perhaps outdated), when changing such a firm set of rules would require this ruling and cooperative "supermajority" to agree, even though the change (no doubt wanted by minorities) would likely go against them?
 
Good question.

I'm not sure Musk is convinced of the cause.
Thanks, was just using Elon Musk as an example because of his wealth and place of birth... (which I'm still convinced isn't planet earth :p)

Second part, any ideas, speculations etc which well known, wealthy, celebrities, famous, influential etc individuals are PRO Cape Independence movement?

i.e perhaps a person like Rob Hersov as example 🤷‍♂️ 🤷‍♂️ 🤷‍♂️
 
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