Carnivore diet

[LiPO]

This is similar to the wolf diet.
It does have its benefits, apparently at some point you will be able to survive on a steak every 2nd day.

 

[axsis]

It was merely an example. How do I make a carbonara without pasta? My chicken parmesan casserole would be rather sad without the rice and parmesan. How do I make Rueben sandwiches without bread and saurkraut?
My favourite salad without lettuce, cheese and croutons. Etc... Etc...

Meat only is a culinary freakshow. If there are any health benefits, then I'd rather die early.

If diabetic or pre-diabetic I wouldn't advise eating any of that but for people without issues triggered by those foods then an occasional treat is probably fine. Ultimately I still think you should choose what you eat. I don't have any major issues and most of my issues were resolved by doing keto (being hangry, IBS, fatigue/mental clarity/motivation and minor aches and pains in my hands). Two years ago I was very nearly strict carnivore but even so my diet has still remained mostly meat, although circumstance/stress has caused a lot of poor food choices but slowly getting back on the wagon...I'd say my ideal is probably 90% meat, 5% dairy, 5% other (sauerkraut, kimchi, peppers, mushrooms, onions (as these don't seem to cause me any issues)). I choose some bad things because I like them like whisky, and I still like coffee milk drinks (I've given up milk a few times and it just doesn't change anything for me).

If the choice is between health and eating tasty food, I'd pick health every time. Also 'culinary freakshow'? No it really isn't, chicken, beef, pork, lamb, rabbit, duck, turkey, eggs, cheese (depending on if you have an issue with dairy) are all very versatile and you can have a lot of varied meals. Better, you will likely never be bloated (unless the meat was off) or feel hungry. The one thing I thought when starting on a meat heavy diet was that I'd get bored of steak. That hasn't happened. I'd eat ribeye every day if I could afford to. I tend to mostly eat club/sirloin on the bone.

That said, isn't it strange how you can't stand real unadulterated food but would have no problem with someone eating absolute garbage?

 

[TrueSeeker]

If diabetic or pre-diabetic I wouldn't advise eating any of that but for people without issues triggered by those foods then an occasional treat is probably fine. Ultimately I still think you should choose what you eat. I don't have any major issues and most of my issues were resolved by doing keto (being hangry, IBS, fatigue/mental clarity/motivation and minor aches and pains in my hands). Two years ago I was very nearly strict carnivore but even so my diet has still remained mostly meat, although circumstance/stress has caused a lot of poor food choices but slowly getting back on the wagon...I'd say my ideal is probably 90% meat, 5% dairy, 5% other (sauerkraut, kimchi, peppers, mushrooms, onions (as these don't seem to cause me any issues)). I choose some bad things because I like them like whisky, and I still like coffee milk drinks (I've given up milk a few times and it just doesn't change anything for me).

If the choice is between health and eating tasty food, I'd pick health every time. Also 'culinary freakshow'? No it really isn't, chicken, beef, pork, lamb, rabbit, duck, turkey, eggs, cheese (depending on if you have an issue with dairy) are all very versatile and you can have a lot of varied meals. Better, you will likely never be bloated (unless the meat was off) or feel hungry. The one thing I thought when starting on a meat heavy diet was that I'd get bored of steak. That hasn't happened. I'd eat ribeye every day if I could afford to. I tend to mostly eat club/sirloin on the bone.

That said, isn't it strange how you can't stand real unadulterated food but would have no problem with someone eating absolute garbage?

Nah it was a purely subjective reaction. People must eat what they want. I just can't imagine my own diet being so monotonous.

 

[rietrot]

This is similar to the wolf diet.
It does have its benefits, apparently at some point you will be able to survive on a steak every 2nd day.

Not sure about that. Probably. Many people do combine these diets intermittent fasting or only eat one large meal once a day. I'm sure you'll be able to easily go two days, but then the one meal would need to be quite large.

 

[LiPO]

Not sure about that. Probably. Many people do combine these diets intermittent fasting or only eat one large meal once a day. I'm sure you'll be able to easily go two days, but then the one meal would need to be quite large.

I remember it being why carnivores in the wild can survive long periods without eating.

 

[rietrot]

I remember it being why carnivores in the wild can survive long periods without eating.

Yeah. Fat is a more long term energy source, so if you are permanently in ketosis and used to not eating regularly you can go periods without eating.

Even with my shít junkfood diet I like to do a water fast from time to time if I pick up a bit of weight or feel really bloated.

Just not sure how sustainable it is to eat only every second day or less. I think it should be fine.

 

[BBSA]

I remember it being why carnivores in the wild can survive long periods without eating.

Make sense, I almost never get hungry.

I think it is because a carnivore is very efficient in burning it own body fat.

 

[BBSA]

 

[jbrunevader]

Make sense, I'm almost never get hungry.

I think it is because a carnivore is very efficient in burning it own body fat.

It's the same reason why you so infrequently need to go to the loo. Meat (incl. fat) is a far more efficient energy dense food than any other source; for that reason; your body gets what it needs and hence you don't need to poop a lot, because there is not much waste; similarly there's little to no flatulence.

In comparison plant based diets are very inefficient energy sources, hence there's always greater amount of the stuff your body just can't consume, which ends up as waste i.e. you're going to poop a lot, similarly excess flatulence is guaranteed. More so the plant based foods are typically laden with carbs / sugar which when consumed quickly spike your blood glucose levels; powering the artificially high / low sugar rush cycle that drives cravings -- which in turn is going to make you hungry more often, so you'll eat more... fart more... poop more.

 

[jbrunevader]

Lectins -- how they impact your health - from obesity to autoimmune disease

 

[ronz91]

any updates @DylanV ?

 

[longboy]

For a few years in India, in my youth, I practised tantra and indulged in alcohol, fish, sex and exclusively on the raw flesh of animals and the occassional questionable living entity, like humans who died and were thereafter used as sacrificial offerings.

I gained mass and mental enthusiasm very quickly compared to a vegetarian diet, but I got ill more often with minor illnesses probably due to dirty water and unclean meat.


So yeah, carnivorous diet will work well for a lot of people if they can handle it.

 

[jbrunevader]

For a few years in India, in my youth, I practised tantra and indulged in alcohol, fish, sex and exclusively on the raw flesh of animals and the occassional questionable living entity, like humans who died and were thereafter used as sacrificial offerings.

I gained mass and mental enthusiasm very quickly compared to a vegetarian diet, but I got ill more often with minor illnesses probably due to dirty water and unclean meat.


So yeah, carnivorous diet will work well for a lot of people if they can handle it.

Rotten meat has limited to no remaining nutritional value (nutritional value is destroyed in the rotting process).... one could argue it's by design... to encourage carnivores to avoid rank smelling meat.

Ps. most everyone knows you have to be extremely suspicious of India's water; including what they use to cook the food.

 

[EvoX]

For a few years in India, in my youth, I practised tantra and indulged in alcohol, fish, sex and exclusively on the raw flesh of animals and the occassional questionable living entity, like humans who died and were thereafter used as sacrificial offerings.

I gained mass and mental enthusiasm very quickly compared to a vegetarian diet, but I got ill more often with minor illnesses probably due to dirty water and unclean meat.


So yeah, carnivorous diet will work well for a lot of people if they can handle it.

WTF?!

 

[EvoX]

Is he joking?

 

[jbrunevader]

Is he joking?

Mushroom tea (yogi master foot flavoured psilocybin)...

 

[jbrunevader]

Animal Protein Intake Is Inversely Associated With Mortality in Older Adults: The InCHIANTI Study

AbstractBackground. In general, plant protein intake was inversely associated with mortality in studies in middle-aged adults. Our aim was to evaluate the

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Results
During the 20-years of follow up (mean: 12y), 811 deaths occurred (292 of cardiovascular- and 151 of cancer-related causes). Animal protein intake was inversely associated with all-cause (HR per 1% of total energy from protein increase, 95%CI: 0.96, 0.93-0.99) and cardiovascular mortality (HR per 1% of total energy from protein increase, 95%CI: 0.93, 0.87-0.98). Plant protein intake showed no association with any of the mortality outcomes, but an interaction with baseline hypertension was found for all-cause and cardiovascular mortality (p<0.05).

Conclusions
Animal protein was inversely associated with all-cause and cardiovascular mortality in older adults. Further studies are needed to provide recommendations on dietary protein intake for older adults.

So... not all protein is equal... and eating meat has proven to be far better for your ticker.

 

[jbrunevader]

Dietary carbohydrate quality and risk of breast cancer among women - Nutrition Journal

Background A few studies have examined the relationship between carbohydrate quality index (CQI) and risk of breast cancer (BC) among women in Middle Eastern countries. We studied the associations between carbohydrate quality index and the risk of BC in overall and by menopausal status. Methods...

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We found that women with the greatest CQI had lower odds for BC, compared with those with the lowest CQI.

Basically those woman who ate higher GI / lower CQI foods; for example: pasta, breads, cakes, cookies, high fructose corn syrup products, etc. had a greater chance of breast cancer, than those eating higher CQI (Carbohydrate Quality Index) products.

Ps. your body can also synthesise carbohydrates e.g. on the carnivore diet, carbs are synthesised in the form of glycogen; these naturally are a much higher CQI.

 

[jbrunevader]

Replacing dietary animal-source proteins with plant-source proteins changes dietary intake and status of vitamins and minerals in healthy adults: a 12-week randomized controlled trial - European Journal of Nutrition

Purpose A shift towards more plant-based diets promotes both health and sustainability. However, controlled trials addressing the nutritional effects of replacing animal proteins with plant proteins are lacking. We examined the effects of partly replacing animal proteins with plant proteins on...

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Conclusions
Partial replacement of animal protein foods with plant protein foods led to marked decreases in the intake and status of vitamin B-12 and iodine. No changes in iron status were seen. More attention needs to be paid to adequate micronutrient intakes when following flexitarian diets.

Vitamin B12
Vitamin B12 does a lot of things for your body. Its used in new cell synthesis, for example: making your DNA and your red blood cells; it also helps to break down fatty acids, and amino acids, and supports nerve cell maintenance.

Since your body doesn't make vitamin B12, you have to get it from animal-based foods or from supplements. And you should do that on a regular basis, because your body doesn't store vitamin B12 for a long time.

Vitamin B12 Deficiency

Breathlessness and dizziness
Anaemia is commonly associated with a B12 deficiency which can leave you feeling short of breath and dizzy - especially when your body is overexerted. This is caused by a lack of red blood cells which fail to carry enough oxygen to your body’s cells, leaving you feeling weak and fatigued.

Disturbed vision
Blurred vision is caused by optic nerve damage which can happen when your body is lacking in vitamin B12.

Who is most at risk of a vitamin B12 deficiency?
You can get a vitamin B12 deficiency if you follow a vegan diet (meaning you don't eat any animal products, including meat, milk, cheese, and eggs) or you are a vegetarian who doesn't eat enough eggs or dairy products to meet your vitamin B12 needs.

Iodine Deficiency
Iodine is an essential mineral commonly found in e.g. seafood. Your thyroid gland uses it to make thyroid hormones, which help control growth, repair damaged cells and support a healthy metabolism.

Unfortunately, up to a third of people worldwide are at risk of an iodine deficiency.

Those at the highest risk include:

• Pregnant women.
• People who live in countries where there is very little iodine in the soil. This includes South Asia, Southeast Asia, New Zealand and European countries.
• People who don’t use iodised salt.
• People who follow a vegetarian or vegan diet.

An iodine deficiency can cause uncomfortable and even severe symptoms. They include swelling in the neck, pregnancy-related issues, heavy or irregular periods, weight gain, fatigue and weakness, hair loss, dry flaky skin, feeling colder than usual, changes in heart rate, and trouble learning and remembering.

 

[rietrot]

Dietary carbohydrate quality and risk of breast cancer among women - Nutrition Journal

Background A few studies have examined the relationship between carbohydrate quality index (CQI) and risk of breast cancer (BC) among women in Middle Eastern countries. We studied the associations between carbohydrate quality index and the risk of BC in overall and by menopausal status. Methods...

nutritionj.biomedcentral.com

Basically those woman who ate cheap refined carbohydrates (low CQI); for example: pasta, breads, cakes, cookies, high fructose corn syrup products, etc. had a high chance of breast cancer, than those eating higher CQI (Carbohydrate Quality Index) products.

On the Australian YouTube channel posted a few post back Noakes goes through this study. The big women's health one? If it is the same one.

Noakes does have a bit of a prosecution complex, I suppose justified, but annoying, makes him sound like a conspiracy theorist. But once you get past that it's pretty good.