Carnivore diet

[TrueSeeker]

You have to be a particular brand of nuts to even consider this. What? Like have a braai without beer, toasties and potato salad? For supposed health reasons???

They're a few twinkles short of a sparkle.

 

[3WA]

You have to be a particular brand of nuts to even consider this. What? Like have a braai without beer, toasties and potato salad? For supposed health reasons???

They're a few twinkles short of a sparkle.

Have kebabs instead of potato salad. Have chicken instead of toasties. Done.

For a beer replacement, it’s going to have to be rancid meat juice.

 

[TrueSeeker]

Have kebabs instead of potato salad. Have chicken instead of toasties. Done.

For a beer replacement, it’s going to have to be rancid meat juice.

I'm not even entertaining this contribution with further thought.

 

[BBSA]

You have to be a particular brand of nuts to even consider this. What? Like have a braai without beer, toasties and potato salad? For supposed health reasons???

They're a few twinkles short of a sparkle.

I have a beer with a braai. No problem, you don't have to be fanatical about it.

 

[longboy]

I have a beer with a braai. No problem, no said you must be fanatical about it.

You must follow the BBB policy. Beer, Braai and Bonk. Not necessarily in that order. I sometimes combine 2.

 

[grok]

You have to be a particular brand of nuts to even consider this. What? Like have a braai without beer, toasties and potato salad? For supposed health reasons???

They're a few twinkles short of a sparkle.

Just do what the vegans do, but in reverse..

Take your usual food like a big fat juicy T-bone or rib-eye steak, tear the meat off the bone, let it soak in a acid bath for 10 hours, transfer to vinegar bath for 5, wash under water & soak in milk for 3/4 hours, pat dry then mush it in a blender, add 1 pinch of dinosaur-free salt, mix with 1 cup of white flour, pinch of zantham gum & 1tsp bicarb of soda, roll into patato sized balls, place in middle of oven under the grill for 15mins, meantime mix 1 cup of condensed milk with 1 cup of heavy cream, and a cup of plant based egg-substituted mayo, add green onions and chopped cilantro, parsley if you want, remove balls out of oven & pat dry to remove any oil, fat or juice, cut up into potato salad sized chunks, mix in the mayo mix ensuring to cover all meaty looking pieces, cover in plastic wrap and let rest in fridge for 20 mins before serving your delicious meat based potato salad to everyone's delight.

I mean if they can fake meat then we can meat fake, or whatever, nobody's your boss you can do what you like..

 

[TrueSeeker]

Just do what the vegans do, but in reverse..

Take your usual food like a big fat juicy T-bone or rib-eye steak, tear the meat off the bone, let it soak in a acid bath for 10 hours, transfer to vinegar bath for 5, wash under water & soak in milk for 3/4 hours, pat dry then mush it in a blender, add 1 pinch of dinosaur-free salt, mix with 1 cup of white flour, pinch of zantham gum & 1tsp bicarb of soda, roll into patato sized balls, place in middle of oven under the grill for 15mins, meantime mix 1 cup of condensed milk with 1 cup of heavy cream, and a cup of plant based egg-substituted mayo, add green onions and chopped cilantro, parsley if you want, remove balls out of oven & pat dry to remove any oil, fat or juice, cut up into potato salad sized chunks, mix in the mayo mix ensuring to cover all meaty looking pieces, cover in plastic wrap and let rest in fridge for 20 mins before serving your delicious meat based potato salad to everyone's delight.

I mean if they can fake meat then we can meat fake, or whatever, nobody's your boss you can do what you like..

Of course each to their own. I'm still calling it nuts though.

 

[jbrunevader]

Most people who do the carnivore diet are just meat eating vegans.

Nope.
First off the vegan diet is extremely deficient; whereas strict carnivore requires no supplementation at all.
Also the vegan diet can be very unhealthy (aside from the many deficiencies) -- basically what you eat on the vegan diet is going to determine your health outcomes -- not all vegan diets are equal. More so what you eat is also going to have a huge impact on cravings, and your ability to maintain to your diet (without cheating).

Whereas with carnivore it's not that easy to make mistakes... biggest mistake to avoid when going carnivore is trying to avoid fat; second is trying to avoid organ meats. Biggest plus points is a huge reduction in cravings, second it alleviates / eliminates many autoimmune, inflammatory, etc. issues, for example: gout, arthritis,...

BTW Carnivore can be mixed with other diets for a sort of planned "cheat day", for example: Friday pizza, weekend beers, etc... The additional of this in a carnivore diet will typically have no impact on your weight, cravings, health, etc.

 

[Polymathic]

Nope.
First off the vegan diet is extremely deficient; whereas strict carnivore requires no supplementation at all.
Also the vegan diet can be very unhealthy (aside from the many deficiencies) -- basically what you eat on the vegan diet is going to determine your health outcomes -- not all vegan diets are equal. More so what you eat is also going to have a huge impact on cravings, and your ability to maintain to your diet (without cheating).

Whereas with carnivore it's not that easy to make mistakes... biggest mistake to avoid when going carnivore is trying to avoid fat; second is trying to avoid organ meats. Biggest plus points is a huge reduction in cravings, second it alleviates / eliminates many autoimmune, inflammatory, etc. issues, for example: gout, arthritis,...

BTW Carnivore can be mixed with other diets for a sort of planned "cheat day", for example: Friday pizza, weekend beers, etc... The additional of this in a carnivore diet will typically have no impact on your weight, cravings, health, etc.

TL;DR but congratulations for proving my point

 

[jbrunevader]

When I started the diet, I was concerned about vitamin c, so I do comsume a lemon most days.

You don't need supplementation if you're eating a lot of meat including fat.

Also re vitamin C and nutrients...

As for your tests; bear in mind the following.

Also this re tests.

 

[jbrunevader]

TL;DR but congratulations for proving my point

Not quite... trying to equate two is just silly; but that's probably what you were going for.

 

[jbrunevader]

You have to be a particular brand of nuts to even consider this. What? Like have a braai without beer, toasties and potato salad? For supposed health reasons???

They're a few twinkles short of a sparkle.

You don't have to avoid any of that for a braai (I don't); it's not as if you're having a braai everyday.. 1 / 2 days over e.g. the weekend is not going to ruin any benefit. Same applies to carb / sugar heavy treats like cakes, etc.

It only becomes a problem if these are consumed daily i.e. part of your primary diet.

 

[C4Cat]

Not quite... trying to equate two is just silly; but that's probably what you were going for.

You know how vegans are so annoying because they are obsessed with their diet and defending it, and telling everyone else about how good it is, in complete obliviousness to reality and common sense? Maybe that's what he was going for?

 

[axsis]

A collection of resources.

Some new research.

Conclusions
Contrary to common expectations, adults consuming a carnivore diet experienced few adverse effects and instead reported health benefits and high satisfaction. Cardiovascular risk factors were variably affected. The generalizability of these findings and the long-term effects of this dietary pattern require further study.

 

[BBSA]

You know how vegans are so annoying because they are obsessed with their diet and defending it, and telling everyone else about how good it is, in complete obliviousness to reality and common sense? Maybe that's what he was going for?

Yes, probably.

Although not many people do carnivore for religious or emotional reasons.

 

[BBSA]

You don't need supplementation if you're eating a lot of meat including fat.

Also re vitamin C and nutrients.

I understand you don't need much vitamin C if you don't comsume lot of carbs. I'm just not sure if it is optimal so that is why I drink freshly squeezed lemon juice.

 

[TrueSeeker]

You don't have to avoid any of that for a braai (I don't); it's not as if you're having a braai everyday.. 1 / 2 days over e.g. the weekend is not going to ruin any benefit. Same applies to carb / sugar heavy treats like cakes, etc.

It only becomes a problem if these are consumed daily i.e. part of your primary diet.

It was merely an example. How do I make a carbonara without pasta? My chicken parmesan casserole would be rather sad without the rice and parmesan. How do I make Rueben sandwiches without bread and saurkraut?
My favourite salad without lettuce, cheese and croutons. Etc... Etc...

Meat only is a culinary freakshow. If there are any health benefits, then I'd rather die early.

 

[jbrunevader]

I understand you don't need much vitamin C if you don't comsume lot of carbs. I'm just not sure if it is optimal so that is why I drink freshly squeezed lemon juice.

Sounds appropriate; plus lemon juice isn't going to undo any gains, in the same way a cheat day per week won't.

 

[jbrunevader]

It was merely an example. How do I make a carbonara without pasta? My chicken parmesan casserole would be rather sad without the rice and parmesan. How do I make Rueben sandwiches without bread and saurkraut?
My favourite salad without lettuce, cheese and croutons. Etc... Etc...

Meat only is a culinary freakshow. If there are any health benefits, then I'd rather die early.

Agreed... also bear in mind that many of those on a strictly carnivore diet are doing it either for short term goals (e.g. weight loss), or because of an underlying issue that is alleviated by a more strict carnivore diet.

I hit my goals more than a decade ago; so I'm certainly not following a strict carnivore diet as I regularly enjoy what I call cheat days; where I'd happily eat everything you mentioned in the traditional form (gluten included)
I'm not a proponent of substituting carbs for low carbs; instead I enjoy my carbs and sugar; but on a far more limited basis; where my primary intake is for the most part carnivore.

I started carnivore; after trying keto / banting diets; as neither of those completely alleviated my inflammatory issues (there was some improvement); they did however significantly reduce the cravings that typical for a diet that includes carbs and sugar -- and hence they did deliver the weight loss I wanted.

My specific case : rheumatoid arthritis
I've inherited from my mother's side rheumatoid arthritis which is massively inflamed by carbs, sugar an alcohol consumption (some of the sweeteners are even worse than cane sugar).
Limiting all of that has significantly reduced the pain -- it's primarily in my finger joints; and at its worst I could barely form a fist; my joints were so badly inflamed that I could not curl my fingers (imagine constant gout pain but far worse).
My choice was either surgery or a change of diet -- as mentioned it wasn't until I went on the carnivore diet that all the inflammation went away -- I can now pain free curl all of my fingers into a fist; and no surgery was required to achieve that. Today I find that if I enjoy more than 1 cheat day per week and / or I go overboard with consumption of carbs, sugars and alcohol --- then the next few days I have a painful reminder of how it used to be to live with very inflamed joints.

 

[jbrunevader]

You know how vegans are so annoying because they are obsessed with their diet and defending it, and telling everyone else about how good it is, in complete obliviousness to reality and common sense? Maybe that's what he was going for?

I thought so... vegans in particular also irritate me; vegetarians to a much lesser degree.

I'm certainly not the kind of person; who would ever want to eliminate complete categories of food permanently from my diet. I've just found that eating primarily carnivore alleviates the extremely painful inflammation I was living with (chronic inflammation of my rheumatoid arthritis).

For example:
If I'm out for dinner, or visiting at friends for a braai, then I'll tuck in an enjoy everything on offer; no holds barred.
Nobody will know I primarily eat carnivore if it doesn't come up in the conversation; because my plate with be loaded with all the toppings.

Think of it as everything is ok... in moderation -- the only thing I don't moderate at all is of course my consumption of meats and fats; biltong / wors is my goto for snacks -- which I make at home.