Carnivore diet

wingnut771 said:
I stopped reading the article when twin 1 exercised this way and twin 2 exercised that way. Don't get me wrong, I was very interested in the comparison but then they went and introduced variables.
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Perhaps reread the article, and consider your comprehension.
 
Zanonad said:
Today marks 1 month on Carnivore and I am 2.8kg down. Yet to find the energy boost but I will be patient.
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For many I think there's no major "energy boost" on carnivore. Most seem to report energy stability, but not any amazing boost per se.

One big and common mistake apparently is eating too lean. Avoid lean meats. Fat is your friend AFAIK, almost essential. Energy and constipation and hormone wise. Of course, double check that with the relevant experts.
 
Back in my "fitness days" I was generally an under-performer. Put in a lot of effort, but I eventually started to wonder if I was just a genetic "non-responder".

I'd get stronger sure, strength was never an issue. If I focused on that I probably could have done well. But as for fitness, I was always trailing others significantly in any aerobic or endurance stuff - even people much newer to the scene than me. And this was true for years.

If only I could turn back the clock, knowing what I know now, and try carnivore. It would be very interesting to see if that would have made a difference.
 
Been doing dirty carnivore (I have mushrooms or spinach and blueberries twice a week) for a month now ..... 7kgs down but even better is the energy, strength, loss of bloating and almost total disappearance of inflammation and pain. I've gone from tabs daily for headache or toothache or this and that ache to maybe taking once a week :oops:
 
There’s no way meat causes diabetes. Diabetes, especially type 2, comes from insulin resistance, which is mostly driven by eating too many carbs, especially sugar and processed grains. Meat has basically no carbs, so it doesn’t spike blood sugar or insulin like high-carb foods do.

A lot of studies try to blame red meat, but they usually lump in processed meats or ignore the fact that people eating lots of meat might also be eating a ton of junk food. The real problem is the carbs, not the meat.
 
BBSA said:
There’s no way meat causes diabetes. Diabetes, especially type 2, comes from insulin resistance, which is mostly driven by eating too many carbs, especially sugar and processed grains. Meat has basically no carbs, so it doesn’t spike blood sugar or insulin like high-carb foods do.

A lot of studies try to blame red meat, but they usually lump in processed meats or ignore the fact that people eating lots of meat might also be eating a ton of junk food. The real problem is the carbs, not the meat.
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We already went through this on the vegan thread. Meat, especially red meat and processed meat, is linked to type 2 diabetes.

Consumption of meat is also associated with higher resting glucose levels.

Carbs from fruit, vegetables (non-starchy) and grains reduce the risk of type 2 diabetes.
 
BBSA said:
There’s no way meat causes diabetes. Diabetes, especially type 2, comes from insulin resistance, which is mostly driven by eating too many carbs, especially sugar and processed grains. Meat has basically no carbs, so it doesn’t spike blood sugar or insulin like high-carb foods do.

A lot of studies try to blame red meat, but they usually lump in processed meats or ignore the fact that people eating lots of meat might also be eating a ton of junk food. The real problem is the carbs, not the meat.
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TBH I didn't know this till a diabetic pointed this out as a guzzled my pure protein shake

High dietary protein intake, reducing or eliciting insulin resistance?​

A Rietman 1, J Schwarz 1, D Tomé 2, F J Kok 1, M Mensink 1
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Dietary proteins have an insulinotropic effect and thus promote insulin secretion, which indeed leads to enhanced glucose clearance from the blood. In the long term, however, a high dietary protein intake is associated with an increased risk of type 2 diabetes. Moreover, branched-chain amino acids (BCAA), a prominent group of amino acids, were recently identified to be associated with diabetes. Observational data and intervention studies do not point in the same direction regarding the effect of protein intake on insulin sensitivity and diabetes risk. Therefore, the first aim of this review will be to discuss human studies addressing high dietary protein intake and insulin action, with special attention for BCAA. In the second part, we will highlight the (patho) physiological consequences of high-protein diets regarding insulin action, in particular the role of the mechanistic target of the rapamycin pathway.
 
tetrasect said:
We already went through this on the vegan thread. Meat, especially red meat and processed meat, is linked to type 2 diabetes.

Consumption of meat is also associated with higher resting glucose levels.

Carbs from fruit, vegetables (non-starchy) and grains reduce the risk of type 2 diabetes.
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Okay
 
Tim_vb said:
TBH I didn't know this till a diabetic pointed this out as a guzzled my pure protein shake

High dietary protein intake, reducing or eliciting insulin resistance?​

A Rietman 1, J Schwarz 1, D Tomé 2, F J Kok 1, M Mensink 1
Affiliations Expand

Abstract​

Dietary proteins have an insulinotropic effect and thus promote insulin secretion, which indeed leads to enhanced glucose clearance from the blood. In the long term, however, a high dietary protein intake is associated with an increased risk of type 2 diabetes. Moreover, branched-chain amino acids (BCAA), a prominent group of amino acids, were recently identified to be associated with diabetes. Observational data and intervention studies do not point in the same direction regarding the effect of protein intake on insulin sensitivity and diabetes risk. Therefore, the first aim of this review will be to discuss human studies addressing high dietary protein intake and insulin action, with special attention for BCAA. In the second part, we will highlight the (patho) physiological consequences of high-protein diets regarding insulin action, in particular the role of the mechanistic target of the rapamycin pathway.
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As previously stated, I am not fond of protein in powdered form; however, if consumed as whole food, the effects will be minimal.

People on a strict carnivore diet who track their blood glucose with a monitor usually see very little fluctuation.
 
BBSA said:
People on a strict carnivore diet who track their blood glucose with a monitor usually see very little fluctuation.
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Gonna let AI respond to this one as I have to leave now:

This statement about carnivore diets and blood glucose fluctuations can be misleading when considering diabetes risk for several reasons:

  1. Minimal glucose fluctuation doesn't necessarily mean metabolic health. While stable blood glucose levels may seem beneficial, the absence of fluctuations on a carnivore diet primarily occurs because the diet contains almost no carbohydrates. This isn't necessarily indicating good metabolic health, but rather the absence of the nutrient that would normally trigger glucose responses.
  2. Metabolic flexibility is important. A healthy metabolism should be able to efficiently process and respond to different macronutrients, including carbohydrates. The inability to properly metabolize carbohydrates when they are consumed can indicate developing insulin resistance, even if blood glucose stays stable when carbs are avoided.
  3. Diabetes risk involves multiple pathways. Type 2 diabetes development involves more than just blood glucose fluctuations. The metabolic pathways affected by high meat consumption (particularly processed and red meat) include:
    • Increased inflammation
    • Fat accumulation in liver and muscle tissue
    • Changes in gut microbiome
    • Increased oxidative stress
    • Impaired insulin signaling
  4. Insulin resistance can develop despite stable glucose. Research shows that diets high in animal products, particularly processed meats, can promote insulin resistance through mechanisms independent of immediate glucose fluctuations.
  5. Missing protective factors. Carnivore diets lack fiber, polyphenols, and other plant compounds that have been shown to improve insulin sensitivity and reduce diabetes risk.
  6. Long-term versus short-term effects. Short-term glucose stability doesn't necessarily translate to long-term metabolic health. Many health conditions develop gradually over years despite seemingly normal metrics in the short term.

In essence, while the lack of glucose fluctuations might seem beneficial on the surface, it doesn't address the underlying metabolic adaptations and potential insulin resistance that can develop over time with high meat consumption, particularly from processed sources.
 
tetrasect said:
Gonna let AI respond to this one as I have to leave now:

This statement about carnivore diets and blood glucose fluctuations can be misleading when considering diabetes risk for several reasons:

  1. Minimal glucose fluctuation doesn't necessarily mean metabolic health. While stable blood glucose levels may seem beneficial, the absence of fluctuations on a carnivore diet primarily occurs because the diet contains almost no carbohydrates. This isn't necessarily indicating good metabolic health, but rather the absence of the nutrient that would normally trigger glucose responses.
  2. Metabolic flexibility is important. A healthy metabolism should be able to efficiently process and respond to different macronutrients, including carbohydrates. The inability to properly metabolize carbohydrates when they are consumed can indicate developing insulin resistance, even if blood glucose stays stable when carbs are avoided.
  3. Diabetes risk involves multiple pathways. Type 2 diabetes development involves more than just blood glucose fluctuations. The metabolic pathways affected by high meat consumption (particularly processed and red meat) include:
    • Increased inflammation
    • Fat accumulation in liver and muscle tissue
    • Changes in gut microbiome
    • Increased oxidative stress
    • Impaired insulin signaling
  4. Insulin resistance can develop despite stable glucose. Research shows that diets high in animal products, particularly processed meats, can promote insulin resistance through mechanisms independent of immediate glucose fluctuations.
  5. Missing protective factors. Carnivore diets lack fiber, polyphenols, and other plant compounds that have been shown to improve insulin sensitivity and reduce diabetes risk.
  6. Long-term versus short-term effects. Short-term glucose stability doesn't necessarily translate to long-term metabolic health. Many health conditions develop gradually over years despite seemingly normal metrics in the short term.

In essence, while the lack of glucose fluctuations might seem beneficial on the surface, it doesn't address the underlying metabolic adaptations and potential insulin resistance that can develop over time with high meat consumption, particularly from processed sources.
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Sure, stable blood sugar alone doesn’t prove perfect metabolic health, but wild fluctuations definitely aren’t a good sign either. The whole point is that people on carnivore see stable glucose and improvements in insulin sensitivity, weight, and other metabolic markers.

Metabolic flexibility? That’s just another way of saying, “You should be able to handle carbs,” but why would that matter if you don’t need them? People who reverse insulin resistance on carnivore usually find they can handle carbs better if they reintroduce them. But constantly eating carbs just to “stay flexible” is like drinking alcohol daily to make sure you can still tolerate it.
 
Just adding my personal 2c here ..... I went from a Type 2 reading of 97 (yep, that high) to now 51. My GP and doctor lay that result squarely at me cutting out processed foods, starchy veg, high fructose fruit and grains. Personally, this dirty carnivore works for me and a couple friends of mine, that's all the evidence I need.
 
Any gout sufferers doing well on the carnivore diet ?
 
CUZ_458 said:
Any gout sufferers doing well on the carnivore diet ?
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Yeah, plenty of people with gout have seen improvements on carnivore. The old idea that meat causes gout is mostly based on how purines break down into uric acid, but the bigger issue is insulin resistance. High insulin levels stop the kidneys from clearing uric acid properly, which is why people with metabolic issues tend to get gout.

A lot of people report fewer or no flare-ups once they cut out sugar, refined carbohydrates, and processed junk.
 
When we look at the history of humans, it is very clear we are a carnivorous species. In this video we look at all the evidence as to how we know this and why it matters.

 
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