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Cheap LCD tv's ????
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Hi, I hear what you guys are saying but according to several video mags the ratio between screen size and viewing distance should be 1:4 meaning 1m screen = sitting 4m from your screen. I stay in a townhouse and sit 3M from my screen. This works out brillitantly with a 32" and the fact that the 32" fits the budget also helps !!!!!!! Paying 50 - 60% more for 4" ........???? Is it REALLLLLY worth it??? I'm connecting a DVD & DSTV to the screen with my Denon h/t doing the audio. The fact that the pvision LCD has a 5.1 surr sound optical output also is a + ( not that I'll really use it , good extra feature but for re-selling )useless said:
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it seems that there is a 30" telefunken LCD in hi-fi corp for R7,799 (HDTV)
I don't like telefunken, nor hi-fi corp, but if you are looking for a really cheap LCD, maybe this is for you
just keep in mind that the prices of LCDs in USA seems to be falling like a brick the last few months, so I expect SA to catch up soon, unless the R becomes 10:1 again to the $ ... otherwise I expect brand names LCD 40-42" to be found for well under R20K before this Christmas.
PS: if you have a 40+" LCD, please post your experience, thanks
I don't like telefunken, nor hi-fi corp, but if you are looking for a really cheap LCD, maybe this is for you
just keep in mind that the prices of LCDs in USA seems to be falling like a brick the last few months, so I expect SA to catch up soon, unless the R becomes 10:1 again to the $ ... otherwise I expect brand names LCD 40-42" to be found for well under R20K before this Christmas.
PS: if you have a 40+" LCD, please post your experience, thanks
Hi CIS...
Have you considered looking at the BenQ range of LCD TVs. I have some experience with their equipment and the quality and price is good.
Take a look at the 32" model (R12499 incl VAT). It supports 720P and 1080i.
The real beauty is of course the 37" model with 1080P support, which is awesome, but a bit pricier at R17500 incl VAT. I'd so like to get one of these, as soon as i've got some spare cash
Have you considered looking at the BenQ range of LCD TVs. I have some experience with their equipment and the quality and price is good.
Take a look at the 32" model (R12499 incl VAT). It supports 720P and 1080i.
The real beauty is of course the 37" model with 1080P support, which is awesome, but a bit pricier at R17500 incl VAT. I'd so like to get one of these, as soon as i've got some spare cash
PS: I've generally found that the colour reproduction on 12ms panels is better than on the 8ms panels, and you most definately can't see the difference where motion blur is concerned, becauese there is none on either.
It's all got to do with the DACs they use, where the 8ms panels will generally use less bits to increase speed, thus sacrificing colour range and saturation etc. I won't go into too much detail now seeing as I'm halfway into bed, but it's definately noticable, esp if you compare two panels side by side. Might not be the case with all 8ms panels but so far in my experience it has been.
It's all got to do with the DACs they use, where the 8ms panels will generally use less bits to increase speed, thus sacrificing colour range and saturation etc. I won't go into too much detail now seeing as I'm halfway into bed, but it's definately noticable, esp if you compare two panels side by side. Might not be the case with all 8ms panels but so far in my experience it has been.
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Zigackly:quik said:
Most of the cheaper LCDs (Pvision, BenQ, Tedelex, Sansui, Proline etc.) use 6th generation panels. The more expensive brands (Samsung, Sony, Sharp) use 7th generation panels (which are generally better for colour, contrast and viewing angle). But more importantly, the video processing software/firmware is MUCH better. If I was only going to spend 10k, I would stay away from LCD completely. At that price Plasma is a better buy - even if it is not HD compatible. A good 32" LCD should be around R15K.
And for most uses (maybe not high end gaming) 4ms/8ms/12ms is a non-issue (because there is no standard for measurement - is ittimed for a grey to grey, black to white, white to grey transition? Contrast values are also very easily bullsh!tted by changing the measurement method. e.g. The new Sony BRAVIA LCDs claim 1300:1 contrast ratio, but the Samsung claims 5000:1. The interesting thing is that it is the same panel, made in a Sony/Samsung joint venture factory. The difference between the sets is the processing electronics and the set design - neither of which can effect contrast ratio as it is a characteristic of the panel itself)
If you don't believe me, go and do a comparison instore. Set up a cheap LCD next to a Plasma and a Sony BRAVIA or Samsung LCD with a demanding video input (doesn't even have to be a HD input). You'll find the cheaper LCD really unpleasant in comparison.
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A Standard Definition plasma is better than a cheap 'n nasty High Definition LCD. The difference between a cheaper Plasma (SD) and a better brand is less than the diff between cheap LCD and branded.zeb said:
er no, 'cos you're comparing it to plasma as well as more expensive LCDs.zeb said:
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yeah I would also like to suggest plasma, but I won't, main reason: BURN IN
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burn-in is a fundamental issue with plasma, but not to the extent that the lcd brigade would have you believe. newer models have picture shift functions and burn-in compensation modes (very bright white for a few minutes). I repeat: for 10K I'd buy plasma. but if I didn't have to buy immediately, I'd wait for lcd prices to drop.swordfish1 said:
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arf9999, I agree to some extent, but what about watching channels like BBC and Bloomberg, they have constant solid colour blocks displaying info all the time, except for the adverts, those will certainly not be compensated for by a few pixel movement ...
Hi Arf9999 - thank for the insight. I think I'll wait a bit , with the world cup soccer going and the big hype around plasma & lcd for watching sport I think the manufacturers and not even to mention the distributers are ripping it slightly. I read LG and some other company are expanding up to 60% to keep up with world wide demand for lcd / plasma screens. I'm hoping that after the WC soccer there will be a over supply vs demand and prices should come down - I think. I recon we will be able to see serious decreases by October................??? I must say I'm starting to agree with the plasma over the lcd statement. Just from a colour and "warmth" point of view the plasma looks much better that the lcd. I think if you sit infront of a lcd for 3-4 hours vs. plasma for the same time you'll find the plasma softer on the eyes en more involved ????????
Everything is pointing in the wait a couple of months direction.........
Everything is pointing in the wait a couple of months direction.........
Hi sword - I saw the Telefunken at Hi-Fi Corrupt yesterday but the picture is really not that hot hey !!!! It was running next to a Toshiba going for R 13999.99 , much better buy if you ask me. Funny enough the Sansui didn't look to bad either - can't remember the price though but it actually compated pretty well next to the Toshiba............ The @#$@#% exchange rate is of course another concern - losing just about every day.
CIS said:
well it depends what it was running, at times they show off DVD's via S-Video cables instead of the proper component cables which offer better quality.
if you are talking about TV then maybe their reception was cr@ppy?
I haven't check the BenQ range............ Will do that - I saw a couple of Proline Plasma screens the other day. Didn't look to bad - haven't checked them out either. Maybe a look into the PC supplier / manufacturers aren't such a bad idea. I must however say that I looked at the Sony Bravia range and there is simply nothing coming even close to it. Unfortunately prices wise as well , 'bout R 16k for a 30"........!!!
According to the sales guy ( for what that worth !!!! ) they are all running from DSTV. They had about 30 tv's en 8 LCD running the same channel so I would assume they get the same sort of quality picture. Not sure how much the plitting and networking will affect the lot. What do you think about the PC manufact. guys. Worth while considering Benq / Proline and those guys...........???
Just checked their website - not to terrible !!! They have 11% market share in LCD's and are the 3rd largest supplier. ( Somewhere the math sound funny with 11% m/share but 3rd largest supplier ????? ).useless said:
I see the 32" do have component input - will check some more.......... I just need to track down a distributor / supplier of BenQ in Cape Town somewhere.
MyLowBandwidth
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32" Proline LCD TV at cost plus VAT = R7176.30. Speak to a Pinnacle dealer and make a deal to add R500 markup to supply. You have the price now, so don't be ripped off!!!