Cloud computing and local broadband

cloud computing...nice name. seems to work a heck of a lot like thin client stuff no?

of course, far be it from me to suggest that seeing as intel sell chips, and make money from chips, they would encourage everyone to have a really nice INTEL chip, and not some low end "scum" as used in thin clients.

either way, we will see how this pans out long term.
 
werner said:
cloud computing...nice name. seems to work a heck of a lot like thin client stuff no?
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either way, we will see how this pans out long term.
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True, but I think that cloud computing means something a different than a thin-client accessing a resource over the web. It more a process/service running on the web performing some type of work. An example being gmail, which handles mail to/from other servers in addition to providing a interface for reading your mail.

BravoDrie said:
personally, I am so gatvol of hearing about cloud computing I want to puke.
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almost the way I feel about Web2.0

The article focusses on consumers, but there advantages for businesses as well. They get a cost saving as the service is hosted on shared infrastructure and (usually) they only pay for what they consume. The hosting company takes care of backups, fail-over and scaling, letting the business can focus on doing business.
 
Is Qwill book keeping from FNB, cloud computing

What exactly is the difference between Web 2.0 and cloud ? Almost the same as I see it.

FNB bank is offering Qwill book keeping system. I looked at it and I think it is neat but the fee are a bit high. Is this an example of cloud computing ?
 
If my understanding is right then I think the bandwidth requirements or rather latency requirements to properly run proper applications from a distant server is not available in South Africa rendering it mostly useless for South Africans? maybe applications on local servers may be a different story..
 
What SA companies offer backup service equivalent to Amazons S3. Im not going to use international bandwidth for this.
 
The undersea cables cannot affect local bandwidth and hence local based servers.

When (if?) all the new fibre being laid causes dramatic decrease in local bandwidth cost and dramatic increase in local bandwidth speed Internet based solutions will not be viable.
 
I think the cost savings of cloud will not be much if any, once you factor in open source software which is becoming so much better. What little savings you get on hardware is quickly used up on upgrading network.

Network failures without cloud is already the most costly IT problem a buisness can have, imagine after using cloud???? and network failures do happen, much more then we're willing to admit.
 
Kawak said:
Network failures without cloud is already the most costly IT problem a buisness can have, imagine after using cloud???? and network failures do happen, much more then we're willing to admit.
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+1

And then what about when the company offering the service decides it's had enough? There was this case in the states where an Internet based storage company got into some kind of conflict with its developers and the web site plug was pulled. Too bad, your data is now inaccessible!

I would not like my business to be 100% reliant on something over which I have absolutely no control.
 
BravoDrie said:
I don't have a problem with the technology itself, more in the line of everybody throwing the latest buzz word around.
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The longer you've been around, in any industry, the more you realize that 'new' concepts mostly exist in the minds of the marketers. After all they have to find 'new stuff' to sell to the same base.

"Cloud Computing" is very little more than the latest iteration of centralized computing that started with the first mainframes, quite a few decades ago.

In the early 80's we saw the 'de-centralization revolution' that broke the shackles (perceived or not) of the glass house.

But it came with its own set of problems, thus we see the pendulum swinging back toward centralization.

But we can't call it that. :rolleyes:

So we dream up a new word and sell the same stuff to a new, eager audience. ;)
 
vodacom3g said:
The longer you've been around, in any industry, the more you realize that 'new' concepts mostly exist in the minds of the marketers. After all they have to find 'new stuff' to sell to the same base.

"Cloud Computing" is very little more than the latest iteration of centralized computing that started with the first mainframes, quite a few decades ago.

In the early 80's we saw the 'de-centralization revolution' that broke the shackles (perceived or not) of the glass house.

But it came with its own set of problems, thus we see the pendulum swinging back toward centralization.

But we can't call it that. :rolleyes:

So we dream up a new word and sell the same stuff to a new, eager audience. ;)
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Only now its more improved with better streamlined software to the take!
:)
 
I am Penguin said:
Only now its more improved with better streamlined software to the take!
:)
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Of course, that's what technology does. But concepts are rarely new.

And as technology improve, the pendulum will swing many more times (between centralized and decentralized). And every time some marketing type will dream up a new name for it. :)
 
When I started in IT I did "Thin client computing". Then I did "Virtualisation". Soon I will be doing "Cloud computing". Problem is that, to me, it really feels like I've been doing the same thing all along.... Marketing, you gotta love it :)
 
Can someone explain to me why and article on local broadband and cloud computing has to involve the undersea cables which aren't going to affect our local bandwidth in the slightest?
 
I think this article shows how today's "cloud" will be different to previous ones.
http://arstechnica.com/business/new...-a-conversation-with-russ-daniels-part-ii.ars
Mobile devices as "sensors" for the cloud

RD: Let me give you another example that describes the expressiveness of the cloud and the role that devices play. We tend to think of devices too narrowly. I do a fair amount of business travel, and every now and then I'm lucky enough to be on a plane where I have a screen and I can watch a movie. But, a common occurrence is that the flight crew comes on the PA and announces that we're landing, so they shut down the entertainment system with ten or fifteen minutes left in the movie. Consequently, I have a surprising number of movies that I've seen most, but not all of.

Think about that problem, and then imagine that you go into your hotel room, turn on your entertainment system and it asks if you'd like to continue the movie that was interrupted in your flight. To do that, it's just a matter of propagating a small amount of state—the airline knew who was in the seat, they know what channel was being watched on the entertainment system and they know what frame the movie was interrupted on. That little bit of state can be propagated up to a profile that's associated with me, the passenger.

When I check into my hotel, I can provide access to that profile for the aspects of the profile that I think are relevant to the hotel, and that provides them with the opportunity to offer me that surprise of being able to finish watching the movie.

I didn't own the device in the airplane; I don't own the device in the hotel. By expanding our thinking about what Internet-capable devices ought to be, aside from the notebooks or phones, we are able to include anything that has the ability to be technology-enabled. These cloud-enabled devices can play a role in understanding what you're doing, offering you assistance and improving the experience that you have doing it.
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