Complex refuses Vumatel Fibre

[Venomous]

Fibre will not increase your property value so it's not a good idea for him to punt that lie.

Will just be easier to sell your property to potential buyers that's looking for a fibre ready place

Its not a lie if property prices do increase after the installation...

 

[Venomous]

Just to clarify what he means by the above is that being a trustee infers nor additional power higher than any other owner. You're voting power is determined by the ratio of the owners property to the total scheme.

That is the longer version of what she said....

 

[irBosOtter]

Its not a lie if property prices do increase after the installation...

And if it decreases?

Either way 10-20% is never going to happen just because fibre was installed, OP must rather use that article as source and tell them look maybe 1 - 2% increase plus could have more buyers/renters.

 

[Kloofvreter]

I'm not that fussy I suppose, but would need decent internet, be it ADSL, Fibre or LTE


I see they never even added the fibre part in the add


NEW RELEASE to rent
occupation 31 July
IDEAL for couple and 1 child or couple only
Separate 2 bedroom townhouse ,
fitted kitchen - no room for double door fridge
tiled open plan living areas, lounge and dining room
sliding door to undercover braai patio.
2 carpeted bedrooms with builtin cupb;s
1x family bathroom - bath and shower
walled in back yard
1x auto /h access garage,
parking on drive way
Secure well managed complex
Close to Cobble Walk Centre, Curro School
and all amenities and highways.

Rent R9500.00 Deposit R12 000.00
Pre paid electricity, water included
NO PETS NO PETS

Rental agent not clued up.

 

[pinball wizard]

Rental agent not clued up.

Yeah, I see it in my old complex. People move in on rental and get an adsl or wireless antenna set up, meanwhile the complex has fibre installed. People don't know and the agents don't know enough to tell them.

 

[SmartKit]

I am asking for some help I want to Sue my HOA for not allowing Vuma tel to come in and install Fibre and I was wondering what aspect of the law I could nail them on.

The HOA Reasoning is as follows

1. They cut the road we cant allow that absolutely riduculas in my opnion
2. The Fibre gonna mess up our Garden
3. We got old people who dont understand the benifit.

This is so far what I want to Sue for

1. Loss of Value of property as Fibre increases the value of home.
2. Waist of my time as I run an IT business and it will help me upload big files to customer on Fibre
3. Cost saving as Fibre is generally cheaper than LTE
4. Apparently there is another in the ECN somewhere that they may not deny me right of communication and was hoping so legal genuis could offer my some advices.

Yeah, I wouldn't buy a house without fibre.

Good luck, I happened to be HOA chairman - so I just pushed it through

 

[SmartKit]

I dont think suing them at the outset is smart because it will make turning them around via persuasion impossible
You can always sue if persuasion doesnt work

The problem with HOAs is
- they have long time comm members that are stuck in the past
- the other members of he HOA (that elect them) are apathetic (except for the old people)


What I would do is
1) Get the HOA Constitution and read carefully the bits about motions, elections etc.
2) Scout your complex - Get like minded people on board. If necessary get one or 2 elected to the comm
3) Look for alternatives
- Are Openserve FTTH coming past. If they are they use existing ducts
- Look at a FTTH / wireless hybrid solution - Bring FTTH into the complex and do WiFi from there (where complex members sign up)

I can think of a lot more. Persuading people is easier than fighting with people
Worse still if you start to fight they wont listen to your persuasion...

I have done this in a suburb ... much easier because houses are freehold

You can push for a SGM meeting - which can't be denied.

Additionally approach CSOS before the courts for remedy.

 

[SmartKit]

Yip,

Any owner can gather others, and then insist on an SGM. However it must be noted that a SGM requires higher numbers than an AGM to form a quorum.
So might be easier to attend a trustee meeting with a few other like-minded persons and then to insist on progress. Or alternatively make sure the managing agent adds it to the coming AGM(most complexes have these in the last 3-4 months of the year.)

Edit:
Do remember at an AGM a trustee's vote counts equal to the vote of another person who has the same size place.

No necessarily, all depends on what is in the MOI.

 

[Kosmik]

That is the longer version of what she said....

Ah wasn't aware, apologies.

 

[Ancalagon]

I don't think fibre directly increases property value, but it will in many cases make your property sell quicker. That might mean you will be able to accept an offer closer to your asking price, which means your actual selling price might be higher than if you did not have fibre.

 

[envo]

Vumatel didn't want to pay the bribe.... just pay the bribe...

 

[---]

Which complex? Got the same problem in my complex aswell.

I am going to start a business, feed in 200 mbps wirelessly from another house outside the complex then sell 20, 30 and 40mbps packages to those that need the faster speed, also same download and upload speeds. It might actually work. But its just an idea.... I have permission from an ISP. If I can get it working, ill operate it for a few months till I made enough money for the proper licensing.

 

[DrJohnZoidberg]

So glad my complex is with the times. We were one of the first in our street to pull the fibre through when Octotel were done. Was a mission to eventually get it to my unit but at least it was already inside the complex.

 

[Lupus]

So glad my complex is with the times. We were one of the first in our street to pull the fibre through when Octotel were done. Was a mission to eventually get it to my unit but at least it was already inside the complex.

Even new complexes popping up, just aren't laying conduits for fibre or ADSL by the looks of it. Friend lives in a relatively new place only 2 years old, nothing. You'd think that would be something they did.

 

[StoneCold]

Even new complexes popping up, just aren't laying conduits for fibre or ADSL by the looks of it. Friend lives in a relatively new place only 2 years old, nothing. You'd think that would be something they did.

That's really sad

I'm in a similar situation. Currently live in a complex which is managed by an uptight body corporate. The body corporate didn't want to sign an agreement with SADV/DFA last year after numerous emails and requests from my side. Frogfoot eventually convinced them earlier this year. Checking Frogfoot's rollout map they have indicated complexes where they're in the process of rolling out.

My complex? Nothing, nada. We have a lot of elder folk living in the complex and I think the chairman lives across from my unit. I'm pretty sure it's the same case, they just don't care about fibre and don't want any disruptions inside the complex. Also, Frogfoot not going to do anything unless they sign a consent form for roll out which hasn't happened and doubt will ever happen. Luckily I'm moving in 3 weeks time to a fibre enabled house/area so I couldn't care less any more :crylaugh:

 

[ADRAM3L3CH]

I am asking for some help I want to Sue my HOA for not allowing Vuma tel to come in and install Fibre and I was wondering what aspect of the law I could nail them on.

The HOA Reasoning is as follows

1. They cut the road we cant allow that absolutely riduculas in my opnion
2. The Fibre gonna mess up our Garden
3. We got old people who dont understand the benifit.

This is so far what I want to Sue for

1. Loss of Value of property as Fibre increases the value of home.
2. Waist of my time as I run an IT business and it will help me upload big files to customer on Fibre
3. Cost saving as Fibre is generally cheaper than LTE
4. Apparently there is another in the ECN somewhere that they may not deny me right of communication and was hoping so legal genuis could offer my some advices.

What a small world I'm actually a trustee from the complex Mr Baillie lives in. Rest assured we are holding an AGM soon and the installation of fibre is already on the agenda as was pointed out to Mr Baillie via email. I am for fibre as well as some of the other trustees but we would like to inform all residents at the AGM before approving the plan. What Mr Baillie failed to mention is that each unit owns a full title and it is not a sectional title scheme so we require the owners permission before entering their property as vumatels proposed plans attach a wall box on the outside of each unit.

 

[Venomous]

:crylaugh:

 

[Cius]

To put it simply the trustees are perfectly within their rights to do what they have done. They are your duly appointed representatives and made their best call. The fact that you disagree with it is not uncommon. The correct way to resolve this is to do a poll in the complex gaging interest. It would help a lot if you can first advertise to the residents that property value can be higher with fibre. Then if more than 50% of the respondents say yes going to the trustees with that should be sufficient to get them to say yes. If they still say no at that point they are going against the wishes of the residents whom they represent and you need to make it a vote at an AGM or SGM. You may even need to evict one or two trustees if they are being obstinate and standing against it. We did vumatel fibre in our complex last year while I was a trustee and while it was messy, and did not go 100% according to plan or schedule they cleaned everything up and it was well worth it to get the fibre. If you would like a testimonial from another trustee that is fair and objective PM me and I can send you an email or something with the pro's, con's, and why it is worthwhile in my opinion.

Edit: OK, now that I have read page two, my advice changes to stop being an idiot and read the coms you get from your trustees.

 

[isie]

What a small world I'm actually a trustee from the complex Mr Baillie lives in. Rest assured we are holding an AGM soon and the installation of fibre is already on the agenda as was pointed out to Mr Baillie via email. I am for fibre as well as some of the other trustees but we would like to inform all residents at the AGM before approving the plan. What Mr Baillie failed to mention is that each unit owns a full title and it is not a sectional title scheme so we require the owners permission before entering their property as vumatels proposed plans attach a wall box on the outside of each unit.

I have waited for this day on mYBB
hello MR 'Evil body corporate'
any reason why permission is an issue?
I'm also in a full title complex and we got the buy in from everyone quite quick - i found visiting the reluctant ones, normally the older people explaining to them honestly it costs them nothing to have it on their property and they only pay to install if they want it - if not - no biggie. Told them honestly i'm not sure it increases value but if they do sell having fibre does make it more attractive. Showed them th eplans and where it will affect them - and if they would have an issue and suggested alternatives (honestly no one had an issue but me and i got them to put the box where i wanted it )
did that and got 100 % buy in

 

[ADRAM3L3CH]

I have waited for this day on mYBB
hello MR 'Evil body corporate'
any reason why permission is an issue?
I'm also in a full title complex and we got the buy in from everyone quite quick - i found visiting the reluctant ones, normally the older people explaining to them honestly it costs them nothing to have it on their property and they only pay to install if they want it - if not - no biggie. Told them honestly i'm not sure it increases value but if they do sell having fibre does make it more attractive. Showed them th eplans and where it will affect them - and if they would have an issue and suggested alternatives (honestly no one had an issue but me and i got them to put the box where i wanted it )
did that and got 100 % buy in

Hey Isie

So some of the residents have invested R1000s in having their yards landscaped or tarred so we are holding an AGM soon to make sure they are aware of the processes and don't blame the HOA for not gathering every residents view. You're right about it generally being the older people who are reluctant to accept the proposal, we have informed them that there is a possibility for them to loose money or have trouble selling their property as fibre is being installed throughout the area . Their main concern is that they have seen Vumatel trenching in the area and they have not reinstated tarred/ cemented areas to how they were.