Complex refuses Vumatel Fibre

[Venomous]

Weapons and threats? LMAO.

I was referring to reselling of Internet.

Since then, I have made the assumption that they are probably doing this in conjunction with an ISP.

If they have the correct permissions and permits then no problem.

If its a typical home setup shared with all and sundry while not following legislation then there could be much hurt.
ICASA would want their slice of the pie.

 

[Kloofvreter]

If they have the correct permissions and permits then no problem.

If its a typical home setup shared with all and sundry while not following legislation then there could be much hurt.
ICASA would want their slice of the pie.

Yes, true, but there is an issue with 2.4Ghz links across public roads (can't remember details), unless you're using 5Ghz., or unless you're arguing that the roads in a complex aren't public roads

 

[Venomous]

Yes, true, but there is an issue with 2.4Ghz links across public roads (can't remember details), unless you're using 5Ghz., or unless you're arguing that the roads in a complex aren't public roads

Yip,

Laws can be a bitch

 

[pinball wizard]

I am asking for some help I want to Sue my HOA for not allowing Vuma tel to come in and install Fibre and I was wondering what aspect of the law I could nail them on.

The HOA Reasoning is as follows

1. They cut the road we cant allow that absolutely riduculas in my opnion
2. The Fibre gonna mess up our Garden
3. We got old people who dont understand the benifit.

This is so far what I want to Sue for

1. Loss of Value of property as Fibre increases the value of home.
2. Waist of my time as I run an IT business and it will help me upload big files to customer on Fibre
3. Cost saving as Fibre is generally cheaper than LTE
4. Apparently there is another in the ECN somewhere that they may not deny me right of communication and was hoping so legal genuis could offer my some advices.

The ECA was ammended in 2015 to allow for rapid deployment.

Show your HOPA the following relevant sections:

an ECNS licensee does not require the consent of a municipality or other landowner when exercising its rights under sections 22 and 24 of the ECA to enter onto land and deploy electronic communications facilities [which makes some sense if you think about Telkom telephone poles…]
in deploying such facilities, however, the licensee must comply with applicable law (to the extent that such applicable law does not negate the first bullet above by requiring the landowner’s consent)
the licensee in deploying its facilities is exercising a public power and in doing so in subject to the requirements of the Promotion of Administrative Justice Act (PAJA), i.e. its actions must be procedurely fair, lawful and reasonable and it can be challenged in court if this is not the case, particularly if it amounted to an arbitrary deprivation of property
while there is no general rule that compensation must be paid an offer of compensation may have the effect of making sure that any deprivation of property is not arbitrary.

 

[irBosOtter]

@OP
Why not speak to a few people there. Find out if they would like their property value to increase by 10-20% just by having fibre in the complex. Then explain the benefits of fibre. . .

Fibre will not increase your property value so it's not a good idea for him to punt that lie.

Will just be easier to sell your property to potential buyers that's looking for a fibre ready place

 

[Ho3n3r]

Fibre will not increase your property value so it's not a good idea for him to punt that lie.

Will just be easier to sell your property to potential buyers that's looking for a fibre ready place

Of course it would. It will be in more demand than a place without it. Demand creates higher prices.

 

[irBosOtter]

Of course it would. It will be in more demand than a place without it. Demand creates higher prices.

Havn't seen that happening in the Western Cape at all to be honest, not even in the rental market

 

[Kloofvreter]

Havn't seen that happening in the Western Cape at all to be honest, not even in the rental market

Fiber availability was what made my brother's mind up between two houses. It would be for me as well.

EDIT: Yes, I know, he is not the whole of the WC

 

[Ho3n3r]

Havn't seen that happening in the Western Cape at all to be honest, not even in the rental market

How would you notice it, though? It's estimated to be 1.5%, according to an article on here a few months ago.

I know I would not look at a place in the future unless it has fibre. Owners are starting to realise it too.

 

[Kosmik]

Edit:
Do remember at an AGM a trustee's vote counts equal to the vote of another person who has the same size place.

Just to clarify what he means by the above is that being a trustee infers nor additional power higher than any other owner. You're voting power is determined by the ratio of the owners property to the total scheme.

 

[irBosOtter]

How would you notice it, though? It's estimated to be 1.5%, according to an article on here a few months ago.

I know I would not look at a place in the future unless it has fibre. Owners are starting to realise it too.

So that 10 - 20% the other oke mentioned was smoke out his ass then.
Area I'm in prices are dropping, fibre or no fibre, but that's probably more the economy at the moment
When I told the rental company I installed fibre in the place last year they and they can rent it out for more when I leave she said they can't care less about that but they will add it to the description of the add as it might lure more intrest
In the end they rented that place out for less than I paid as it seems it's tuff times out there

I would also find out if there was fibre at a home before I buy, but no way in hell I will pay more for the same just because there is fibre installed.

 

[Ho3n3r]

So that 10 - 20% the other oke mentioned was smoke out his ass then.
Area I'm in prices are dropping, fibre or no fibre, but that's probably more the economy at the moment
When I told the rental company I installed fibre in the place last year they and they can rent it out for more when I leave she said they can't care less about that but they will add it to the description of the add as it might lure more intrest
In the end they rented that place out for less than I paid as it seems it's tuff times out there

I would also find out if there was fibre at a home before I buy, but no way in hell I will pay more for the same just because there is fibre installed.

My gran wouldn't either. My in-laws wouldn't either.

But I would, and about 50% of my colleagues would as well. If you don't use internet much, it's a different story.

 

[irBosOtter]

My gran wouldn't either. My in-laws wouldn't either.

But I would, and about 50% of my colleagues would as well. If you don't use internet much, it's a different story.

I'm not that fussy I suppose, but would need decent internet, be it ADSL, Fibre or LTE


I see they never even added the fibre part in the add


NEW RELEASE to rent
occupation 31 July
IDEAL for couple and 1 child or couple only
Separate 2 bedroom townhouse ,
fitted kitchen - no room for double door fridge
tiled open plan living areas, lounge and dining room
sliding door to undercover braai patio.
2 carpeted bedrooms with builtin cupb;s
1x family bathroom - bath and shower
walled in back yard
1x auto /h access garage,
parking on drive way
Secure well managed complex
Close to Cobble Walk Centre, Curro School
and all amenities and highways.

Rent R9500.00 Deposit R12 000.00
Pre paid electricity, water included
NO PETS NO PETS

 

[Lupus]

So that 10 - 20% the other oke mentioned was smoke out his ass then.
Area I'm in prices are dropping, fibre or no fibre, but that's probably more the economy at the moment
When I told the rental company I installed fibre in the place last year they and they can rent it out for more when I leave she said they can't care less about that but they will add it to the description of the add as it might lure more intrest
In the end they rented that place out for less than I paid as it seems it's tuff times out there

I would also find out if there was fibre at a home before I buy, but no way in hell I will pay more for the same just because there is fibre installed.

Trust me, you've not lived in an area where your connectivity is limited then. I did for a good couple of years where I only had Iburst and I was coming from ADSL 1 meg line. When I moved in the complex had no connectivity as they were like but I has my phone with internet, even though I explained there was already conduiting laid out for Telkom lines it took awhile. Until I actually got Telkom to install, then the fibre fight oi vey.

 

[Ho3n3r]

I see they never even added the fibre part in the add

Your point being? I assume the agent is a geriatric moron stuck in 1998.

IMO Private Property, Property24 etc. should update their filter options to reflect fibre/no fibre, but knowing the people who run these sites, it won't happen in my lifetime.

 

[irBosOtter]

Your point being? I assume the agent is a geriatric moron stuck in 1998.

Yes, point being seems all agents in the Western Cape are morons. Checked a few adds now and they all don't mention anything about fibre, even all the places have

 

[Lupus]

Your point being? I assume the agent is a geriatric moron stuck in 1998.

IMO Private Property, Property24 etc. should update their filter options to reflect fibre/no fibre, but knowing the people who run these sites, it won't happen in my lifetime.

Agreed, this is a big seller, my friends area was one of the first places in Johannesburg to get Fibre and his property values did go up. In this day and age you shouldn't be stuck with no connectivity. When I was looking to buy a place one of the places I saw a fibre pole right next to the house, was one of the reasons I bought it.

 

[Barbarian Conan]

So that 10 - 20% the other oke mentioned was smoke out his ass then.
Area I'm in prices are dropping, fibre or no fibre, but that's probably more the economy at the moment
When I told the rental company I installed fibre in the place last year they and they can rent it out for more when I leave she said they can't care less about that but they will add it to the description of the add as it might lure more intrest
In the end they rented that place out for less than I paid as it seems it's tuff times out there

I would also find out if there was fibre at a home before I buy, but no way in hell I will pay more for the same just because there is fibre installed.

I wouldn't pay more, but I wouldn't buy a place that doesn't have the option of having fibre installed. The law of supply and demand then means that you will get less for your place when you sell.
Actually, if there are 2 identical units in identical complexes, I would pay R15k more for one with fibre over one which I know wont get it in the next year.
I had a rental property I sold, and many of the people also enquired about fibre. A colleague of mine bought a house, and just did not even consider a place that doesn't have fibre.

In the areas that have fibre, not having it would almost be like not having a phone line or TV reception in the 80s in a couple of years time for anyone under the age of 40.

With fibre, for R575 they can have uncapped internet and showmax, which will give them their KykNet and a bunch of other DSTV content to watch what they want when they want.

 

[Ho3n3r]

Yes, point being seems all agents in the Western Cape are morons. Checked a few adds now and they all don't mention anything about fibre, even all the places have

Ah OK, my apologies. Misunderstood the point you're making. Fibre is a massive thing for me, so much so that if I had to look for a place now, if one had 2 garages and no fibre, I'd still prefer a place with only 1 garage and fibre above the former. I only got mine 5 days ago, but it's already a lifechanger, since one can do so much more simultaneously than with normal ADSL.

Agreed, this is a big seller, my friends area was one of the first places in Johannesburg to get Fibre and his property values did go up. In this day and age you shouldn't be stuck with no connectivity. When I was looking to buy a place one of the places I saw a fibre pole right next to the house, was one of the reasons I bought it.

:crylaugh: Agents are so behind sometimes that they think having a Telkom voice line is a big plus, something that every household has (well 99% of places anyway).

 

[Lupus]

Ah OK, my apologies. Misunderstood the point you're making. Fibre is a massive thing for me, so much so that if I had to look for a place now, if one had 2 garages and no fibre, I'd still prefer a place with only 1 garage and fibre above the former. I only got mine 5 days ago, but it's already a lifechanger, since one can do so much more simultaneously than with normal ADSL.



:crylaugh: Agents are so behind sometimes that they think having a Telkom voice line is a big plus, something that every household has (well 99% of places anyway).

You joke about the telkom voice line, my old area no one had it, it really was a selling point until I started pestering Telkom. The other complexes were like but why would you want a land line you've got a cellphone. It and fibre were my two contributions to that area, though I could only get 4meg ADSL which was available in my previous place 4 years prior.
My estate agent did even mention in the ad it was fibre ready, the units that sold before mine went for 760 to 780k, managed to get 800k for mine.