Computer-generated 'Sweetie' catches online predators

STS said:
you mentioned that he was defensive of people with "this condition", not defensive of "these criminals" :p that is where the misunderstanding came in
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People who know they are going down a slippery path will know when they are passing the point of no return.
Looking at naked pictures of children, grooming them, and creating situations where you can be alone with them are all warning signs.
I can understand that a person may have "just a condition" before that point.
But after that point, you had better seek help quick or the law will catch up with you.
And I for one will be dancing a jig when it does.
 
Garyvdh said:
People who know they are going down a slippery path will know when they are passing the point of no return.
Looking at naked pictures of children, grooming them, and creating situations where you can be alone with them are all warning signs.
I can understand that a person may have "just a condition" before that point.
But after that point, you had better seek help quick or the law will catch up with you.
And I for one will be dancing a jig when it does.
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I agree. But I also important to distinguish between people who are before and people who are after that point, and treat them accordingly. we're not trying to encourage people to love pedophiles, we're trying to save other children
 
Garyvdh said:
lol, Dude... you have issues.
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I have issues about people like you that constantly attack people that have offended them somehow. Just because somebody stole from somebody else does not mean they are any less human than me or you. Nor does it take away their right to life or future well-being. What society needs is more rehabilitation, less anger, less revenge.

Garyvdh said:
Firstly, why is it suddenly MY responsibility to help everyone with their problems?
I am not involved in law enforcement or therapeutic counselling or any type of mental health services.
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Your right, it isn't your responsibility. It is society's responsibility. However, you do make up a part of society and somebody has to do the ground work.

Garyvdh said:
Secondly, it is every law abiding citizen's right/responsibility to condemn criminal behaviour.
I will continue to exercise that liberty as I see fit.
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You are free to do so. And I am free to condemn you for every time you speak out against them in violence.

Garyvdh said:
Thirdly, you have heard of the saying "Thou dost protest too much"?
By continually jumping feet first into every thread where criminal paedophilia is being discussed certainly does throw the limelight back on you.
Just saying.
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I will always jump in where I believe people are being treated unjust. Which in general are going to be criminals, and some of them more so than other (paedophiles being possibly the most unjustly treated condition and criminal action currently in the anglosphere). That doesn't mean I agree with what some of them practice. **** no. Nor do I understand how they can be attracted to pre-pubescent children. I frankly find men that have shaved down there horrible looking - I prefer a bit of a bush. It's just unappealing to me, but if you want to continue to drag me personally into this without attacking my argument, then I can't stop you.
 
XennoX said:
That brings up an interesting point, what do you consider paedophilia to be? Is it the act of preying on a minor or is it the condition of being attracted to minors? The ICD classifies it as a disorder of adult personality and behaviour. I'm going to play devil's advocate here because to me the idea of someone being a paedophile in the sense of they're attracted to minors doesn't disturb me. What does disturb me is when they prey on the minors because they [the minors] are impressionable. I agree that they will need to take responsibility for their actions.
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I actually tend to use the term in a terribly ambiguous way actually :o. In that particular instance I was referring to being attracted to minors.

Attraction has the potential to turn into actual sexual advances. When that sexual advance is aimed at a competent adult it is relatively harmless as the competent adult is capable of making his/her mind up as to whether or not to accept one's advances with a relatively comprehensive understanding of the potential risks, pros and cons. However when the advancement is aimed at a child the situation is entirely different. The potential risks involved with paedophilia are simply not comparable to homosexuality.
 
Everybody is a victim nowadays. It's not me I can't be held responsible I have a "condition" ad nauseum.
 
I think because this issue is about pedophilia its taboo.


Imagine they were doing the same thing with thieves or cheaters ?

You might have never stolen but if someone left a brand new iphone in its box, sealed, on the side of the road... a lot of people would consider taking it and keeping it. Does that make them a thief ?

Along the same lines... if you as a married man are propositioned by an amazingly hot woman who suggests a no strings affair, once off, no consequences.... are you then a cheater if you consider it for even a second ?

Entrapment is actually pulling someone from the scenario where they are resisting their urges and making them believe that they can act them out without consequences.

What they are basically doing is making these men believe that they can get pleasure from this without hurting a child.
Sure they may be catching a lot of really bad people who have committed crimes against kids before... but their rate of success makes it look like they are skimming and plucking a lot of inexperienced "noobs" that are just toying with this kind of thing.

Hopefully this technique is just a way of starting an investigation on individuals that might be targeting children.
 
Nerfherder said:
You might have never stolen but if someone left a brand new iphone in its box, sealed, on the side of the road... a lot of people would consider taking it and keeping it. Does that make them a thief ?

Along the same lines... if you as a married man are propositioned by an amazingly hot woman who suggests a no strings affair, once off, no consequences.... are you then a cheater if you consider it for even a second ?
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While I'm not sure about the theft scenario above the one with the woman, in order to be comparative, would need more than that. You'd need to see a woman across a room and approach her asking if she'd like to get a room together. Sounds a lot more like an attempt to cheat when you phrase it like that.


Entrapment is actually pulling someone from the scenario where they are resisting their urges and making them believe that they can act them out without consequences.

What they are basically doing is making these men believe that they can get pleasure from this without hurting a child.
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I don't follow this at all. How are they making these men believe they can get pleasure without hurting the child?... were they not offering a child money to take her clothes off over the Internet?... seems like there is plenty of potential for harm there.
 
South Africa's status on Lolicon pornography. Probably why these guys are now on the radar. Changes from country to country though.

With the promulgation of the Films and Publications Amendment Bill in September 2003, a broad range of simulated child pornography became illegal in South Africa. For the purposes of the act, any image or description of a person "real or simulated" who is depicted or described as being under the age of 18 years and engaged in sexual conduct, broadly defined, constitutes "child pornography".[27] Under the act, anyone is guilty of an offence punishable by up to ten years imprisonment if he or she possesses, creates, produces, imports, exports, broadcasts, or in any way takes steps to procure or access child pornography.
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Beerisgood said:
South Africa's status on Lolicon pornography. Probably why these guys are now on the radar. Changes from country to country though.

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Ridiculous. That's like banning games for making people violent. Has anyone actually been prosecuted under it?

If anything, and this is from a layman's perspective with no education is psychology, isn't it better to have people with sexual/violence/etcetera problems work out those problems through safe media?
 
Datura said:
I would love to test the intelligence. Everything I have seen so far makes a mistake after 3 or 4 questions. I suppose it could be easier to create CG child responses as people wouldn't expect adult/intelligent answers I guess.
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I presume that actual people were faking the responses. As far as I can tell "Sweetie" is just an avatar, not an AI of any sort. Which is problematic, because that probably constitutes entrapment, which would make whatever evidence they've gathered, inadmissible in a court of law.
 
The_Assimilator said:
I presume that actual people were faking the responses. As far as I can tell "Sweetie" is just an avatar, not an AI of any sort. Which is problematic, because that probably constitutes entrapment, which would make whatever evidence they've gathered, inadmissible in a court of law.
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This AI always impresses me, it's database of variables and answers must be massive.

http://en.akinator.com/#
 
 
I am all for busting pedophiles, but is this a crime? Asking a fake kid to do things via webcam??
 
satanboy said:
I am all for busting pedophiles, but is this a crime? Asking a fake kid to do things via webcam??
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they didn't know she was fake, and they didn't even entrap them, they sought her out :p

evidence is evidence, doesn't change what you did
 
 
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