Cops caught on camera 'executing' criminal (WARNING: GRAPHIC CONTENT)

VernD said:
Did you even have a look at the video ?

He didn't walk up to them. He saw them coming and fired off shots in their direction; possibly fleeing the scene of a crime.
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??? :wtf:

Okay.

PS I watched the video in the OP 2 or 3 times...
 
Fudzy said:
Jeez, somehow completely missed this version. Thanks for the link.

I don't know how people can defend the action of the police in those final moments.
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And yet some people on this forum think they should be awarded for executing an unarmed man bleeding to death on the pavement.

Disgusting and sickening.
 
Pox said:
And yet some people on this forum think they should be awarded for executing an unarmed man bleeding to death on the pavement.

Disgusting and sickening.
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Sadly this is what SA has come to. Society evolving (or maybe somehow inherently already) to have no values. This is worse than the crime imo, because it is harder to fix.
 
Pox said:
And yet some people on this forum think they should be awarded for executing an unarmed man bleeding to death on the pavement.

Disgusting and sickening.
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Hardly. I don't suppose you would be as sympathetic if a loved one had been a victim of one his stray bullets? Or if he actually managed to hit one of the cops? Who get paid p!ss to ensure our safety?
Sure, cops shouldn't be "executing" criminals. There is due process to be done. This guy was guilty as all hell though and he deserved it. Don't get all excited by the claims of "unarmed" man, he fired 8 shots at the cops. Should he be allowed out on the streets again to murder people once more?
 
OzzieCapie said:
...the sad thing about where SA is headed now is not the crime itself, but the attitude towards it. The feeling amongst so many in society that summary execution is not only ok but should be encouraged.
It is far eaier to reduce crime than to change such societal feelings.
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Really, :wtf:

WE the public and the nation are sick and tired of it, how bloody hard is that to understand.

OMB said:
The fact that many people are prepared to entrust police officers with the power to kill some citizens as they see fit, speaks to a lack of respect for the dignity and rights of fellow South Africans. In other words, it speaks to a lack of humanity on the part of those cheering on the killings.

http://www.dailymaverick.co.za/opin...ni-mpanza-must-not-be-valorised/#.Vju4istBvmw

Makes for an interesting read
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Sure does, and sickening at that

It matters not that the suspect may previously have fired shots at the police.
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Serious :wtf: :sick:

OMB said:
speaks to a lack of respect for the dignity and rights of fellow South Africans.
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It speaks to the fact that they are upholding the dignity and rights of fellow South Africans against those who would violate without thought or compassion the dignity and rights of any and all in the pursuit of criminal activities.

It speaks to the fact that they do a thankless job under constant threat of danger, and in the face of almost insurmountable odds.

Here is a fact to swallow : 60 Cops shot up until September 2015, each Cop serves on average 360 people which means that with those deaths 21600 citizens have now had their safety, security, dignity and rights compromised.
http://www.iol.co.za/dailynews/opinion/saving-our-police-1.1915599#.Vj0zGV53Jmo

You want to question their actions, this is what they deal with:
https://www.facebook.com/IntelligenceBureauSA/videos/1141039219242931/?fref=nf
 
Look, we're not saying the cops should not shoot to kill anyone that is putting their lives in danger. However, there are checks and balances for a reason. Once the suspect is incapacitated then arrest him. If we are going to have Judge Dredd type cops, then change the laws to give them that power legitimately.

If you condone how the final minutes of that video played out, well then let's have execution squads knocking on known criminals' doors and let them be executed on the spot without trial.
 
Nanfeishen said:
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Here is a fact to swallow : 60 Cops shot up until September 2015, each Cop serves on average 360 people which means that with those deaths 21600 citizens have now had their safety, security, dignity and rights compromised.
http://www.iol.co.za/dailynews/opinion/saving-our-police-1.1915599#.Vj0zGV53Jmo
There is no single reason our officers are being shot dead. There is no single reason they are killing their families and themselves. But it is the fault of the Department of Police that in 21 years so little has been done to protect them. The DA has a fully-worked international-best practice policy which proposes that our members are trained for every eventuality.

To do that would be the best tribute we can pay to those brave men and women who have lost their lives in the line of duty and while off duty.

Because police lives do matter.
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Government is failing the SAPS members putting their lives on the line each and every day. This is the result of cadre deployment as the article says.

Nanfeishen said:
You want to question their actions, this is what they deal with:
https://www.facebook.com/IntelligenceBureauSA/videos/1141039219242931/?fref=nf
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That is shocking. I'm all for criminals like that getting the death penalty, but let's do so legitimately (change the laws) and not expect our police force to break the law for their own safety.
 
StevenC said:
Hardly. I don't suppose you would be as sympathetic if a loved one had been a victim of one his stray bullets? Or if he actually managed to hit one of the cops? Who get paid p!ss to ensure our safety?
Sure, cops shouldn't be "executing" criminals. There is due process to be done. This guy was guilty as all hell though and he deserved it. Don't get all excited by the claims of "unarmed" man, he fired 8 shots at the cops. Should he be allowed out on the streets again to murder people once more?
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Then change the law and allow cops to kill on their own discretion, without the intervention of the courts to adjudicate guilt or innocence. Won't that be a wonderful place to live in, wondering if the next cop you bump into has had a bad day and decided you need to die.

Whatever happened up until the point where this criminal was incapacitated is irrelevant. He was no longer a threat and should have been arrested. Instead he was executed.
They broke the law, murdered a man and should go to jail.

Any other emotional 'justification' around crime levels and stress doesn't change the law.
They murdered a man in cold blood., now they get to go to jail.


Our cops are not judges, they do not get to decide who lives and dies.
 
Fudzy said:
Jeez, somehow completely missed this version. Thanks for the link.
I don't know how people can defend the action of the police in those final moments.
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So he was shot 3 times? Once in pursuit and twice in execution!
 
StrontiumDog said:
Last shot had a lot of blood pouring out during his death throes.
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Ja, I saw that. Horrible, but it's still hard to have sympathy for a hardened criminal.

The cops on the other hand... it makes me wonder what on earth was going through their minds.
Does this mean that your average SAPS member is so poorly trained or disciplined?
Does this mean that they regularly do this?
How many other people have they executed?
 
LazyLion said:
Ja, I saw that. Horrible, but it's still hard to have sympathy for a hardened criminal.
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Agreed.

Perhaps the cops in that precinct had agreed beforehand to execute violent criminals if the opportunity presented itself? There was no hesitation to off the guy other that making the shots count.
 
LazyLion said:
Ja, I saw that. Horrible, but it's still hard to have sympathy for a hardened criminal.
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I thought he was a security guard?

EDIT: This question doesn't justify the reason why he shot at the cops. He clearly presented a threat to the police.

LazyLion said:
The cops on the other hand... it makes me wonder what on earth was going through their minds.
Does this mean that your average SAPS member is so poorly trained or disciplined?
Does this mean that they regularly do this?
How many other people have they executed?
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I would love to say it's just that guy who fired the last shot but how 'meh' are the other cops about what had just happened? I'm sure that wasn't the first time.
 
LazyLion said:
Ja, I saw that. Horrible, but it's still hard to have sympathy for a hardened criminal.

The cops on the other hand... it makes me wonder what on earth was going through their minds.
Does this mean that your average SAPS member is so poorly trained or disciplined?
Does this mean that they regularly do this?
How many other people have they executed?
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This is more about the cops than what the criminal did or how bad he was.

The person on the ground could have been anyone. He was already dealt with, why go back and finish hm?

Reeks of vendetta or covering something up. For me, if someone had wronged me and it ended up in a shooting, I would rather let them for slowly...
 
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