Cops caught on camera 'executing' criminal (WARNING: GRAPHIC CONTENT)

[Nanfeishen]

Correct. What some do not understand is that this incident is but just a symptom of a much broader and serious cancer that infested our society. Cops and citizens are shot at and killed at random yet people bemoan the fact that the society decided it's enough and payback ensues as the cops and the ANC falters in their own constitution and thats to keep us secure and safe.

Not to mention this sensationalist reporting of a shooting of a criminal, while a cop killing goes unnoticed and receives little menton.
All it does is encourage further criminal activity.
Armed criminals are not victims, they are predators, psychopaths and sociopaths who thrive on violence and power.
They made the conscious choice to pick up that weapon , with the full knowledge that by doing so, they would be prepared to utilise that weapon in the course of their criminal activity, either against fellow criminals or against the public.
They represent a clear and present danger to the welfare of society, to the livelihood of law abiding citizens, and the safety and security of the nation.

Sad that it had to come to this but the wild west is coming back!

If only that were true, court sanctioned bounty hunters + "Dead or Alive" with reward would go along way towards solving some of our crime problem.

What this country needs desperately is a Federal, State, specialist armed force similar to the FBI, who are seperate to the SAPS and who specialise in violent crime and armed criminals, leaving the SAPS to do the day to day police work, and deal with non violent criminal activity.

 

[Seriously]

Oh, and by your reasoning, should everyone take the law in their own hands too, or laud those who do ?

As I said this whole incident is but a symptom of our ANC's lack of control and actions. Add to that the apologetic attitude towards these poor criminals, they had a bad life, that end up in frustration that leads to these incidents and Con-courts where Joe citizens takes the law in their own hands stoning and burning these "innocent suspects" and as such become murderers themselves.

 

[Seriously]

No.

LOL, now consider the same reasoning and "logic" when apologetically addressing farm murders in future, K?

 

[USZA]

As I said this whole incident is but a symptom of our ANC's lack of control and actions. Add to that the apologetic attitude towards these poor criminals, they had a bad life, that end up in frustration that leads to these incidents and Con-courts where Joe citizens takes the law in their own hands stoning and burning these "innocent suspects" and as such become murderers themselves.

Closer to the actual incident, if everyone took responsibility for their actions and acted responsibly, then blaming the ANC is not even a bit far-fetched; it's just far-fetched, plain and simple. That and the fact that their, the police, actions defied protocol.

As for suspects, they are exactly that , suspects. They have a right to a fair trial and to legal representation. These very rights that I'm arguing, applies to you too. So, if you are denying this right to a suspect, you are denying this right to yourself. If you can't see that, then I don't know.

 

[chrisc]

In 2009 I had 2 guys jump over the gate and force a window. My CCTV got a good picture and the SAPS found both suspects in Lotus River, both apparently had previous convictions. The trial date was set for a day in November. I arrived at the Magistrate's Court in Wynberg on the day to find it had been removed from the rolls. On visiting the SAPS, no-one knew anything about it. I showed the case number (stamped SAPS Wynberg notepaper) to the SAPS Wynberg, the lady Constable said that case did not exist. When asking for the station commander, he came straight to the desk and said that if his Constable said the case did not exist, then that was the fact and I must stop wasting the Police's time

 

[Seriously]

Closer to the actual incident, if everyone took responsibility for their actions and acted responsibly, then blaming the ANC is not even a bit far-fetched; it's just far-fetched, plain and simple. That and the fact that their, the police, actions defied protocol.

As for suspects, they are exactly that , suspects. They have a right to a fair trial and to legal representation. These very rights that I'm arguing, applies to you too. So, if you are denying this right to a suspect, you are denying this right to yourself. If you can't see that, then I don't know.

I know you don't know. That's just the problem with most in this country not knowing and never will. You are trying to consider 1st world principles in working successfully environments and trying to apply the same principles in a sick, crime ridden, dysfunctional society. That will not and can never work. If you can't see that, .........

I presume you also want or think the criminal should have taken responsibility for their actions and acted responsibly. The ANC is to blame as they "controlled" this situation for more than 20 years and it gone from bad to worse! Suck it up!

 

[skeptic_SA]

In 2009 I had 2 guys jump over the gate and force a window. My CCTV got a good picture and the SAPS found both suspects in Lotus River, both apparently had previous convictions. The trial date was set for a day in November. I arrived at the Magistrate's Court in Wynberg on the day to find it had been removed from the rolls. On visiting the SAPS, no-one knew anything about it. I showed the case number (stamped SAPS Wynberg notepaper) to the SAPS Wynberg, the lady Constable said that case did not exist. When asking for the station commander, he came straight to the desk and said that if his Constable said the case did not exist, then that was the fact and I must stop wasting the Police's time

Sounds like the basis of a good Christopher Nolan movie. Inception 2?
That would freak me out.

 

[Seriously]

In 2009 I had 2 guys jump over the gate and force a window. My CCTV got a good picture and the SAPS found both suspects in Lotus River, both apparently had previous convictions. The trial date was set for a day in November. I arrived at the Magistrate's Court in Wynberg on the day to find it had been removed from the rolls. On visiting the SAPS, no-one knew anything about it. I showed the case number (stamped SAPS Wynberg notepaper) to the SAPS Wynberg, the lady Constable said that case did not exist. When asking for the station commander, he came straight to the desk and said that if his Constable said the case did not exist, then that was the fact and I must stop wasting the Police's time

Some idiots will question your experience and factual account of it. It's just that simple for them.

 

[USZA]

I know you don't know. That's just the problem with most in this country not knowing and never will. You are trying to consider 1st world principles in working successfully environments and trying to apply the same principles in a sick, crime ridden, dysfunctional society. That will not and can never work. If you can't see that, .........

Quoting out of context seems to work for you but it's actually a logical fallacy and just shows how illogical you are.

There is no such thing as first world principles; if anything, it's human principles, and practices that enshrines human rights.

Your view of this country as sick, crime-ridden and dysfunctional, is an extreme view, not held by people who is actually making this country work.

Btw, did you miss the part where the four cops involved gave themselves up? So, if they believed that they didn't do anything wrong, why did they? Please tell me that. Because here you are arguing that their actions were justified.

 

[Seriously]

Quoting out of context seems to work for you but it's actually a logical fallacy and just shows how illogical you are.

There is no such thing as first world principles; if anything, it's human principles, and practices that enshrines human rights.

Your view of this country as sick, crime-ridden and dysfunctional, is an extreme view, not held by people who is actually making this country work.

Btw, did you miss the part where the four cops involved gave themselves up? So, if they believed that they didn't do anything wrong, why did they? Please tell me that. Because here you are arguing that their actions were justified.

Catch a wake up if you can. I missed nothing and nobody said they did nothing wrong. What they did was a symptom of our sick society thanks to the ANC failure to control crime. Thats fact, the same when citizens take the law in their own hands and a mob stoned and burned the "alleged" "criminal" or "suspect" as we saw recently. Now suck that up too.

Strange, do you think the criminals enshrines our human rights?

 

[Fudzy]

LOL, now consider the same reasoning and "logic" when apologetically addressing farm murders in future, K?

WTF has that got to do with the price of tea in China? Why would the police be committing farm murders?

 

[Mike Hoxbig]

Catch a wake up if you can. I missed nothing and nobody said they did nothing wrong. What they did was a symptom of our sick society thanks to the ANC failure to control crime. Thats fact, the same when citizens take the law in their own hands and a mob stoned and burned the "alleged" "criminal" or "suspect" as we saw recently. Now suck that up too.

Strange, do you think the criminals enshrines our human rights?

What would you do to reduce crime? Let's hear it.

It doesn't help when society as a whole condones behaviour such as this. We pay the police to uphold the law, not take it into their own hands. You ever been stopped by an abusive pig at a roadblock, demanding respect since he is an officer of the law and threatening to detain you, when you ask to see his credentials?

 

[Mike Hoxbig]

WTF has that got to do with the price of tea in China? Why would the police be committing farm murders?

Because ANC charna...

 

[USZA]

Catch a wake up if you can. I missed nothing and nobody said they did nothing wrong. What they did was a symptom of our sick society thanks to the ANC failure to control crime. Thats fact, the same when citizens take the law in their own hands and a mob stoned and burned the "alleged" "criminal" or "suspect" as we saw recently. Now suck that up too.

Oh yeah, let's blame society for our actions - that's where taking responsibility for our own actions comes. Would it be safe then for me to deduce that you're no better than the people you are referring to? Because you're using group-thinking to justify their actions. That's the problem with group-thinking - not capable of independent thought.

 

[Seriously]

WTF has that got to do with the price of tea in China? Why would the police be committing farm murders?

Sigh..one of those days again I see. Shame. I was referring to your apologetic nature towards criminals in general. Your stance is always it would not have happened if they do not keep guns, safes with cash, cars, phones...whatever. Especially when it comes to farm murders.

Now use the same logic here. If the now dead executed criminal, thank goodness, did not shoot at the police he would now just have been in jail for a night and probably released on "free" bail . Now he is dead because of a frustrated, adrenaline pumped, policeman who executed him on the spot for shooting at him. BUT, If the criminal was successful in killing the police, it would have been just another sad statistic and we would not have the "Criminals human rights apologists" crying foul in this thread.

 

[Pitbull]

Sigh..one of those days again I see. Shame. I was referring to your apologetic nature towards criminals in general. Your stance is always it would not have happened if they do not keep guns, safes with cash, cars, phones...whatever. Especially when it comes to farm murders.

Now use the same logic here. If the now dead executed criminal, thank goodness, did not shoot at the police he would now just have been in jail for a night and probably released on "free" bail . Now he is dead because of a frustrated, adrenaline pumped, policeman who executed him on the spot for shooting at him. BUT, If the criminal was successful in killing the police, it would have been just another sad statistic and we would not have the "Criminals human rights apologists" crying foul in this thread.

I think you're the on one clearly not understanding most of our views on Farm murders. They are as brutal as they are because of them having safes and guns. They are tortured to reveal the location and/or codes/keys to these safes.

Huge difference to what you're saying above.

 

[Nanfeishen]

Show me where it says that in the criminal procedure act. The term suspect is used, semantics here, not emotions.

"A person" is used, not suspect. Guilt is assumed until proven otherwise.
A crime is suspected until proven otherwise, that is why a Murder docket is opened upon a death until it is proven to be of natural causes.

(1) A person is guilty of an offence if he or she contravenes or fails to comply with any—
(a) provision of this Act;

http://www.acts.co.za/firearms-control-act-2000/index.html?120_offences.php

Possession of a dangerous weapon under circumstances which may raise a reasonable suspicion that the person intends to use the dangerous weapon for an unlawful purpose constitutes a crime.

http://www.my-community-business-security.org/DangerousWeapons.html

 

[Hamish McPanji]

"A person" is used, not suspect. Guilt is assumed until proven otherwise.
A crime is suspected until proven otherwise, that is why a Murder docket is opened upon a death until it is proven to be of natural causes.


http://www.acts.co.za/firearms-control-act-2000/index.html?120_offences.php


http://www.my-community-business-security.org/DangerousWeapons.html

But doesn't that guilt have to be proven in a court of law? Just asking, I am pretty ignorant when it comes to SA laws

 

[Fudzy]

"A person" is used, not suspect. Guilt is assumed until proven otherwise.
A crime is suspected until proven otherwise, that is why a Murder docket is opened upon a death until it is proven to be of natural causes.


http://www.acts.co.za/firearms-control-act-2000/index.html?120_offences.php


http://www.my-community-business-security.org/DangerousWeapons.html

Both of those refer back to the Firearms Control Act which is different from the criminal procedure act.

A person can also mean a number of things according to that which makes it quite confusing:

http://www.acts.co.za/firearms-control-act-2000/index.html?120_offences.php

But for clarity, once a person has committed a crime or is suspected of committing the crime they become a suspect. It's pretty clear that this guy was a suspect who would have been charged for crimes had he not been gunned down unarmed.

 

[USZA]

But doesn't that guilt have to be proven in a court of law? Just asking, I am pretty ignorant when it comes to SA laws

Possession of a dangerous weapon under circumstances which may raise a reasonable suspicion that the person intends to use the dangerous weapon for an unlawful purpose constitutes a crime.

This whole statement has to be tested in a court of law yes.