HapticSimian
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So, after a whole slew of people telling you not to get a Corolla, you get a... Corolla? How decidedly odd and pointless.
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So, after a whole slew of people telling you not to get a Corolla, you get a... Corolla? How decidedly odd and pointless.
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I don't know how much longer Toyota is going to have this fanaticism and sheep brand loyalty.
Their cars for the last 8 years or so have been getting uglier, more boring and of course more expensive as each new model comes out. Even Toyota's "bullet proof" reliability image has taken a knock since 2009 with something like 60 million re-calls. These factors combined with really strong competition from Korea & Europe giving us more car & service for less money could be a real problem for the Japanese manufacturer.
There are a few exceptions of course such as the Fortuner and believe it or not Quantum. The D4D engine is great.
This is of course IMO
Their cars for the last 8 years or so have been getting uglier, more boring and of course more expensive as each new model comes out. Even Toyota's "bullet proof" reliability image has taken a knock since 2009 with something like 60 million re-calls. These factors combined with really strong competition from Korea & Europe giving us more car & service for less money could be a real problem for the Japanese manufacturer.
There are a few exceptions of course such as the Fortuner and believe it or not Quantum. The D4D engine is great.
This is of course IMO
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Rouxenator
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I have to agree, the Kia Cerato would be the best choice.
They are good too - but in terms of quality they are not as good as the new Corsa.
If he were looking at a hatch then it would without a doubt have to be the hyundai i20
They are good too - but in terms of quality they are not as good as the new Corsa.
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Uhm, ruin? I'm not sure I understand. I'm only stating a fact based on the 2010 JD Power Quality Survey :
#1 Honda Jazz (100)
#2 Mazda2 (120)
#3 Opel Corsa (122)
#4 Hyundai Getz (141)
#5 Toyota Yaris (164)
#6 Chevrolet Aveo (175)
#7 VW Polo Mk5 (181)
#8 Ford Fiesta (182)
#9 VW Polo Vivo (187)
#10 Hyundai i20 (198)
#11 VW Polo Mk4 (213)
#12 Dacia Sandero (301)
The number in brackets at the end is the number of reported problems per 100 cars. I own a 2010 Corsa, so I know how good it is.
#1 Honda Jazz (100)
#2 Mazda2 (120)
#3 Opel Corsa (122)
#4 Hyundai Getz (141)
#5 Toyota Yaris (164)
#6 Chevrolet Aveo (175)
#7 VW Polo Mk5 (181)
#8 Ford Fiesta (182)
#9 VW Polo Vivo (187)
#10 Hyundai i20 (198)
#11 VW Polo Mk4 (213)
#12 Dacia Sandero (301)
The number in brackets at the end is the number of reported problems per 100 cars. I own a 2010 Corsa, so I know how good it is.
Rouxenator
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I don't see anything wrong with the brand. There are quite a few established brands that I can think of avoiding. Kia is Korean and that is by no means a bad thing.
Like I said, I understand the appeal. It is not a bad looking car at all, in fact, I quite like the wheels on the Cerato. I have noticed they are also throwing big money at sponsorship, spotted their logo on the net at the Aussie Open Final yesterday.
But to me, and in my personal opinion, the brand stands for nothing in my eyes as of yet. I see a Korean manufacturer giving the "big boys" a good run, which is great for competition, but I doubt its going to bring down the price of the bigger brands most popular vehicles. Simply, I am obviously too far from the brand to find it attractive, and it still seems like a downmarket brand. Not the product. The Brand.
Roux - and you'll be pleased to know, that my first car (a 2000 Opel Corsa 1.3) is still going strong, so I back you 100% on the little Corsa's! (and its the same engine)
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Hmm.
To an extent I agree but if you look at how KIA has improved over the last few years it is really a night and day difference. So much that in fact it is not just one product but just about the whole range that is good looking, feature packed, good engines, warranties and service plans etc. Surely that says something.
If you do a bit of research you will see that the company is far from the one who brought us those fugly Shumas & 1st gen Sportages. Hyundai and Kia have merged, together they are the forth largest automaker in the world. Numbers aren't everything but they wouldn't still be growing so rapidly if they weren't reliable cars. Couple that with a much more Euro approach on design (Peter Schreyer - Ex Audi) the Brand is delivering fine products.
So does KIA have a well established name like VW? No, but that is why you can get a car in a segment above for less money with a longer warranty.
My 2c.
To an extent I agree but if you look at how KIA has improved over the last few years it is really a night and day difference. So much that in fact it is not just one product but just about the whole range that is good looking, feature packed, good engines, warranties and service plans etc. Surely that says something.
If you do a bit of research you will see that the company is far from the one who brought us those fugly Shumas & 1st gen Sportages. Hyundai and Kia have merged, together they are the forth largest automaker in the world. Numbers aren't everything but they wouldn't still be growing so rapidly if they weren't reliable cars. Couple that with a much more Euro approach on design (Peter Schreyer - Ex Audi) the Brand is delivering fine products.
So does KIA have a well established name like VW? No, but that is why you can get a car in a segment above for less money with a longer warranty.
My 2c.
My goodness. You are right. I have no idea where I came up with such rubbish.
It seemed like common sense left me that time. :wtf:I apologize sincerely for my very confusing remarks. I meant to say that the Cerato is better than the Cruze. I will leave it at that. Less words less mistakes.
Of course the price of other models won't come down whilst there are so many people who simply choose to ignore better value and stick to a name they're familiar with, despite their peers providing good reviews of the alternatives. Looking at the i20, Cerato and Sportage, it boggles my mind when people opt for Polo's, Corolla's or Tiguan's.
Hooray for seeing the light!
HapticSimian
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Drive a Tiguan/CRV/Forester back-to-back with a Sportage and it will still be clear why the one is more expensive than the other. The gap is shrinking fast though, and the difference in price is quite arguably not worth the difference in quality, but there's still a gap notwithstanding.
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is it not just a case of perception though? how many people would know the difference if they were blind folded as passengers in either car?
HapticSimian
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It really isn't. The differences are in the details - the feel & layout of the switchgear, the quality of upholstery - both the material and stitching, the percentages of high-grade metal used in construction, etc. Besides, I don't drive blindfolded.
But seriously, next time when you're really, really bored here's a little exercise for you: Go to a Toyota dealer and take a walk around a Corolla/Auris. Pay special attention to the construction of the window frames viewing an open door from inside; look at the exposed metal, the quality of the welds and the door seals. Then, go straight to a VW dealer and do the same with a Golf/Jetta... The differences will be clear.
Rouxenator
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The Tiguan is pretty awesome, even as a VW hater I have to concede, but its not worth the extra money over a Korean alternative. Technically the new Meriva with suicide doors is not a direct competitor since there is no track&field model, but it did come 3rd in the European Car of the year 2011 and my bet would be that if it was available here in SA it would be the perfect balance of value for money and quality.
Look, and indeed perception, can be deceiving. The construction might look a little nicer in small areas but if you talk to people after they actually bought these cars and perception turned into reality you might hear a different story. Sure, the Jetta and Golf are tops in their class, but that is not the case with the entire line up from VW so you can't just go on the badge and assume it will be brilliant (despite making you look like a sheepish follower).
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I think their image has taken a serious climb the last year or two. Just take a look at how many new Cerato's, Sportage's and Serento's are on the roads.
Five years ago if someone offered me a Kia I'd probably have told them that I'd rather driver a Tata than get caught sitting in a Kia!
I changed my mind last year when I bought a Cerato 2.0 SX.
I was actually looking for a low milage, second hand, Mazda 2.0 Individual for R200K but the Certato was brand new for the same price and had better looks and an engine that was a far more powerful and fuel efficient than the Mazda.
The interior finishing lacks compared to other brands but it's not bad. I'd say it's almost (but not quite) on par with Toyota and Mazda.
If they spend a bit more attention on the finer details then they will do some serious damage to competitors.
HapticSimian
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But... it's an Opel.
Jokes aside, this is where things become very relative. I most certainly wouldn't live on baked beans and toast just to drive a Tiguan instead of a Sportage however, if I wouldn't particularly miss the couple of hundred a month, I'd gladly spend it on the better engineered and built of the two. Well, I wouldn't - I'd buy something 2nd-hand, but many people would.