CRICKET SA vs England

milomak said:
as much as i appreciate the sports i watch, i would prefer the team i am supporting to be in a dominant position first before appreciating the merits of how the individual teams have played. if i have no emotional investment in the teams playing then i don't mind at all if they make it a close contest.

case in point the 434 game. i can appreciate that game in hindsight safe with the knowledge that we won. had we lost, even by a close margin, i doubt that i would want to ponde much on it. it is for that reason that stations like liverpool tv, man united tv etc don't show good games which the team lost.
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Interesting that you bring up 434 as I know of many people who did not see that win live as after the Aussie innings they swore about how cr_p we are and that we had given up and were not up to the Aussie standard.... what a game they missed because of that defeatist attitude. And aren't we lucky the players did not have the same attitude...

Whatever happens in this last match we have smashed England in this series. If anything a win here will be bad for England. They will forget how bad they were for the rest of this series and think they are doing fine!
 
i actually missed the middle part of the 434 game as i figured the grand prix on that day would give me more pleasure (guess it didn't given i can't remember any details about it). in cricket i always say wait to see what the other team does before you declare that your team's performance has been useless.
 
Our bowling hasn't been great this series looking at the stats

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South Africa bowling averages
Player	Mat	Inns	Overs	Mdns	Runs	Wkts	BBI	BBM	Ave	Econ	SR	5	10	Ct	St
JH Kallis	4*	6	95.0	20	285	10	3/31	4/90	28.50	3.00	57.0	0	0	5	0
M Morkel	4*	6	127.2	17	459	15	4/52	7/113	30.60	3.60	50.9	0	0	0	0
D Steyn	2	3	81.3	17	290	8	4/76	7/173	36.25	3.55	61.1	0	0	0	0
M Ntini	4*	6	126.0	21	466	12	5/94	5/94	38.83	3.69	63.0	1	0	0	0
A Nel	2*	3	56.2	15	182	4	3/47	4/126	45.50	3.23	84.5	0	0	0	0
PL Harris	4*	5	100.2	21	282	6	3/129	3/129	47.00	2.81	100.3	0	0	1	0

http://stats.cricinfo.com/ci/engine...wling_by_team.html?id=3242;team=3;type=series
 
England since I was there

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Player	             Mat	Inns	Overs	Mdns	Runs	Wkts	BBI	BBM	Ave	Econ	SR	5	10	Ct	St
RJ Sidebottom	2	4	84.0	22	194	6	3/81	3/87	32.33	2.30	84.0	0	0	2	0
JM Anderson	4*	7	159.2	32	455	14	3/42	4/73	32.50	2.85	68.2	0	0	5	0
MS Panesar	4*	7	159.1	29	375	11	4/74	4/190	34.09	2.35	86.8	0	0	0	0
A Flintoff	3*	5	110.0	27	304	8	4/89	6/161	38.00	2.76	82.5	0	0	2	0
SJ Harmison	1*	2	27.0	6	83	2	2/49	2/83	41.50	3.07	81.0	0	0	0	0
DJ Pattinson	1	2	30.1	2	96	2	2/95	2/96	48.00	3.18	90.5	0	0	0	0
KP Pietersen	4*	4	15.3	1	51	1	1/0	1/21	51.00	3.29	93.0	0	0	2	0
SCJ Broad	3*	6	96.5	17	358	6	2/60	3/70	59.66	3.69	96.8	0	0	0	0
AN Cook	4*	1	1.0	0	1	0	-	-	-	1.00	-	0	0	2	0
PD Collingwood	3*	3	17.0	5	52	0	-	-	-	3.05	-	0	0	1	0

It is obvious theirs would be worse.
 
milomak said:
Our bowling hasn't been great this series looking at the stats
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milomak said:
England since I was there

It is obvious theirs would be worse.
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Cricket it played on variable pitches, so your stats really do not mean too much. If you played on concrete those stats would be even worse. You only have to be better than the opposition on the pitch you have been presented with. We have.
 
Cricket it played on variable pitches, so your stats really do not mean too much. If you played on concrete those stats would be even worse.
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not my stats. cricinfo's. i'm sure we all know that cricket is played on very differing conditions. still doesn't change the fact that when you look at the stats our bowling doesn't look great.

You only have to be better than the opposition on the pitch you have been presented with. We have.
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It is obvious theirs would be worse.
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aside from the stats, our bowling has not been the best throughout the series. we've failed on a number of occassions to bowl good length on pitches where short length offers nothing.
 
milomak said:
not my stats. cricinfo's. i'm sure we all know that cricket is played on very differing conditions. still doesn't change the fact that when you look at the stats our bowling doesn't look great.
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You're right, bowling was not the best it can be, but the good thing is the coach, Smith and Kallis said the same thing. They also said that they will have to improve the bowling when they play Aus.
 
Our bowling hasn't been too flash but our batting has and that's what's won us the series...
 
milomak said:
i actually missed the middle part of the 434 game as i figured the grand prix on that day would give me more pleasure
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I remember thinking okay I'll watch the 1st 15 overs of SA's innings and when they would be around 60/2 or3 I would probably go do something less painful. What a game it turned out to be.... My word....
 
Again, you only have to be better than your opposition. And I am happy to see us rely on our batting to win test matches and not just our bowling like in the past.

It would also help if you formatted those stats properly. They are difficult to read as they are. Kallis 6 overs?!??! :)
 
And as to your statement "Again...". That still doesn't take away from a poor bowling performance. Or are you saying that you thought that the bowling performance was top notch?
 
South Africa are 16 runs ahead with 6 second innings wickets remaining.
i hope they can bat the day finish to give us a chance.
but what the hell, we got the series in the bag already!
 
79 for 6 Boucher gone. Seems England will won this one. Now where is the rain when you need it. :D
 
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