Cricket: Test Cricket

[Devill]

Mine was not based on rankings. I watch enough of both teams to be able to draw my own conclusions.

Lol, so do I

And I would never suggest a players current for = ranking.

I just stated that because I said earlier that I saw a nice piece that compared every bowler batsmen, please read my other posts before getting defensive.

Ok now moving on .....

You said:

Clarke vs Morkel: Clarke is the more accurate and economical bowler but tests are won by taking wickets and Morkel produces more wicket taking deliveries. Morkel wins for me.

I just feel that NO ONE gets to the nr 3 spot without bowling like a demon

Also remeber the last Aus tour here, the commentator said Clarke is a poor mans Mcgrath? Then he went on to take 9 wickets in the first test IIRC.....

Edit:

Early Test career
On 16 March 2006, Clark was included in the Australian Test squad, replacing Glenn McGrath (who was attending his sick wife Jane) for the tour of South Africa. He made his debut in the first Test at Cape Town. Clark had an immediate impact on the game, dismissing Graeme Smith early in South Africa's innings, on his way to five wickets. He captured another four in the second innings, to finish with match figures of 9/89 and the player of the match award.

In the second Test at Durban, he took four wickets, and in the third Test at Johannesburg, he returned figures of 3/81 and 4/34. Altogether, he was the leading wicket-taker of the series with 20 wickets (at 15.85 average) and was voted player of the series.

 

[stefan9]

You also have to remember the type of pitches we prepared for that tour. They were very helpful to bowlers.

This year Clarke has taken 31 wickets at 29.87 runs but he took a wicket every 69.8 deliveries. Clarke had an economy rate of 2.56.

Morkel took 37 wickets at 30.43 runs a wicket but he took a wicket every 49.3 deliveries. Morkel had an economy rate of 3.70.

So again my point of morkel being the more penetrative bowler while clarke being the more economical bowler. I would take the bowler that strikes every 9 overs over the bolwer that strikes every 11th over.

 

[Devill]

You also have to remember the type of pitches we prepared for that tour. They were very helpful to bowlers.

This year Clarke has taken 31 wickets at 29.87 runs but he took a wicket every 69.8 deliveries. Clarke had an economy rate of 2.56.

Morkel took 37 wickets at 30.43 runs a wicket but he took a wicket every 49.3 deliveries. Morkel had an economy rate of 3.70.

So again my point of morkel being the more penetrative bowler while clarke being the more economical bowler. I would take the bowler that strikes every 9 overs over the bolwer that strikes every 11th over.

Yeap I see your point but considering who we played against the last couple of months ....... Aus played Ind and NZ... us well we all know who we played

 

[stefan9]

Yeap I see your point but considering who we played against the last couple of months ....... Aus played Ind and NZ... us well we all know who we played

His record vs bangladesh is very similar to his record vs india so I don't think those games improved his stats by much if at all.

But lets compare their performance vs india this year then.

Morkel 8 wickets at 32.75 with a strike rate of 53.

Clarke a massive 2 wickets at 80.50 with a strike rate of 219.

 

[Devill]

His record vs bangladesh is very similar to his record vs india so I don't think those games improved his stats by much if at all.

But lets compare their performance vs india this year then.

Morkel 8 wickets at 32.75 with a strike rate of 53.

Clarke a massive 2 wickets at 80.50 with a strike rate of 219.

lol, of If you want to play the selective statistician then go look what Clarke's average is against SA I am willing to bet it is close to 20 if not less

All I am saying is you do not get to the nr 3 spot by mere chance

 

[stefan9]

lol, of If you want to play the selective statistician then go look what Clarke's average is against SA I am willing to bet it is close to 20 if not less

All I am saying is you do not get to the nr 3 spot by mere chance

I would if I could do a comparison stat with Morkel vs Aus but since he hasn't played vs them the stats would be worthless.

I never said clarke isn't a good bowler I said he isn't as good as morkel or as good as his predecessor.

Also you brought up the fact that Morkel had played against easier opposition while clarke had played against tough teams like india. So I think it was fair to compare their performances since it was the same team and both times in india.

 

[Devill]

I would if I could do a comparison stat with Morkel vs Aus but since he hasn't played vs them the stats would be worthless.

I never said clarke isn't a good bowler I said he isn't as good as morkel or as good as his predecessor.

Also you brought up the fact that Morkel had played against easier opposition while clarke had played against tough teams like india. So I think it was fair to compare their performances since it was the same team and both times in india.

Lol, they are 2 very very different bowlers, clarke being more of a mcgrath/pollock type and Morkel being a more Ambrose/Walsh type... So I look at the ratings and go mmm well nr 3 vs nr 38... at the moment I can not give morkel the heads up, but that might change in the next 3-6 weeks

Lets just agree to disagree and get back to thinking of how the fook we are going to get a world class spinner?

 

[Ou grote]

Clarke kinda made his name against us.
He was damn good in our last series, but since then he has gone off the boil.

His stats / economy rate etc in one day cricket are not that great either.
Yes, not related to Test cricket - related to his confidence.
He ain't no Pigeon.

I'd actually pick Morkel over him, even though Morkel is struggling a bit.

Morkel and Clarke have a similar job to do, so it's fair to compare them.

 

[Devill]

Clarke kinda made his name against us.
He was damn good in our last series, but since then he has gone off the boil.

His stats / economy rate etc in one day cricket are not that great either.
Yes, not related to Test cricket - related to his confidence.
He ain't no Pigeon.

I'd actually pick Morkel over him, even though Morkel is struggling a bit.

Morkel and Clarke have a similar job to do, so it's fair to compare them.

Mmm I dont really think the same as we now basically are bowling 2 strike bowlers, steyn and morkel, neither of which's first job is to keep the runs down

Pig the II's job however is to keep the runs down from one end and let Mr Lee have some fun at the other, but that might just be me

 

[Ou grote]

Mmm I dont really think the same as we now basically are bowling 2 strike bowlers, steyn and morkel, neither of which's first job is to keep the runs down

Pig the II's job however is to keep the runs down from one end and let Mr Lee have some fun at the other, but that might just be me

Steyn and Ntini are our strike bowlers.
That's why they open the bowling.

 

[Devill]

Steyn and Ntini are our strike bowlers.
That's why they open the bowling.

Lol, so Mcgrath was also a strike bowler... and pollock?

 

[Ou grote]

Lol, so Mcgrath was also a strike bowler... and pollock?

Check their strike rates.

 

[Devill]

Check their strike rates.

lol, ok then so morkel is a run restrictor?

51.95 Mcgrath strike rate @ 2.49 Runs per over

52.52 pollock strike rate @ 2.39 Runs per over

49.22 Morkels @ 3.76 Runs per over

37.51 Steyn @ 3.62 Runs per over

51.56 Ntini @ 3.22 Runs per over

You make up your mind if morkel is a strike bowler or a ristrictor

Anyway on to our big problem.... Spinners

Why can we get a decent wrist spinner in the national team?

 

[mercurial]

I have got to give you guys credit. You are always finding new ways to argue with one another

 

[Devill]

Go look at your inferior canon

 

[Ou grote]

lol, ok then so morkel is a run restrictor?

51.95 Mcgrath strike rate @ 2.49 Runs per over

52.52 pollock strike rate @ 2.39 Runs per over

49.22 Morkels @ 3.76 Runs per over

37.51 Steyn @ 3.62 Runs per over

51.56 Ntini @ 3.22 Runs per over

You make up your mind if morkel is a strike bowler or a ristrictor

Anyway on to our big problem.... Spinners

Why can we get a decent wrist spinner in the national team?

Morkel is a "change" bowler.
He is supposed to be more economical, but so it goes....

He doesn't make batsmen play enough to be an opening batsmen.
When they do play, he usually gets hit for 4.

Ntini probably shouldn't open anymore...

 

[Devill]

Ntini probably shouldn't open anymore...

+1, but I am worried that if he doesnt have the new ball in hand they will punish him

Any new young fast bowlers on the local scene worth keeping tabs on?

 

[Ou grote]

+1, but I am worried that if he doesnt have the new ball in hand they will punish him

Any new young fast bowlers on the local scene worth keeping tabs on?

Only seen a bit of local 20/20, and one day cricket on tv.
Not watched much 1st class cricket, so can't tell.
Only a blind men and their guide dogs watch that these days.

All depends on his 1st spell at Perth.
He has a bad one, he's fcked for the rest of the series.
Hayden, in particular will want to smack him.
Ponting is the best player of short pitched bowling in the world.

Morkel needs to make some bunnies early.

 

[Devill]

Only seen a bit of local 20/20, and one day cricket on tv.
Not watched much 1st class cricket, so can't tell.
Only a blind men and their guide dogs watch that these days.

All depends on his 1st spell at Perth.
He has a bad one, he's fcked for the rest of the series.
Hayden, in particular will want to smack him.
Ponting is the best player of short pitched bowling in the world.

Morkel needs to make some bunnies early.

I just hope steyn doesnt get hurt again.... and morkel gets it right on target in the first test

 

[Ou grote]

I just hope steyn doesnt get hurt again.... and morkel gets it right on target in the first test

We got 3 frontline bowlers with issues.
Morkel is bowling crap.
Harris just had his cast removed.
Steyn has a sore a$s muscle or something.
Ntini is the only fine that's one.

Wonder what happened to Nel.
Perth would suit him.