Cricket world cup discussion thread

Im quite baffled at the way you guys are commenting on the skill level of the newbie players.
Van Wyk I agree his a good choice only because he can play wicky.

The others have no bearing on the international stage as yet and some of you are talking about them as they even rated as world class players... a bit premature I think.

As for Tahir, yet to see him play, but is he as good as the best? I mean to keep his debut on hold so he cant be picked up is quite a risk... a stupid risk.
Im generalising here and will honestly say, the sub continent will have seen a bowler like him somewhere...
 
Synaesthesia said:
I'm glad to see van Wyk in there. I'm starting to think we're not playing Tahir against India this series because we're holding him back as a secret weapon for the WC.
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Ive heard this before and it makes no sense. The guy has no international experience (although I do believe he is a quality bowler). He is a strike bowler and should have be given ample oppotunities against India who are a quality side. However this means they will have to drop our chucker and we know thats not gonna happen.
 
[Quattro];5411779 said:
Care to elaborate o wise one?
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there were 2 all rounders in my team 1) Kallis guaranteed starting place. 2) Du Plessis - added to give us better batting depth and to bowl a few overs in.

at the moment we have a huge tail and it's been exposed during the series against india.

Also, Du Plessis performed admirably yesterday, given the circumstances.
 
[Quattro];5411771 said:
Im quite baffled at the way you guys are commenting on the skill level of the newbie players.
Van Wyk I agree his a good choice only because he can play wicky.

The others have no bearing on the international stage as yet and some of you are talking about them as they even rated as world class players... a bit premature I think.

As for Tahir, yet to see him play, but is he as good as the best? I mean to keep his debut on hold so he cant be picked up is quite a risk... a stupid risk.
Im generalising here and will honestly say, the sub continent will have seen a bowler like him somewhere...
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He is head and shoulders above any other SA spin bowler. Have a look at his career stats.
 
[Quattro];5411733 said:
Stupid team.

Only weak and unorganised teams include alot of all rounders.
You specialist individuals in a team.

All the great cricketing nations have and use specialist players.
Do you honestly think the Proteas should play average all rounders?

What a joke! LOL
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Same thing Omar Henry said yesterday ... Fanie rightfully put him into place and silenced him about his comment of picking his specialist.
What do you do when your top order fails and you have 5 specialist bowlers who cant bat for *****?
Our tail was horribly exposed because of having 5 specialist bowlers (Botha, Parnell, Tsotsobe, Morkel & Steyn)
 
member2204 said:
Same thing Omar Henry said yesterday ... Fanie rightfully put him into place and silenced him about his comment of picking his specialist.
What do you do when your top order fails and you have 5 specialist bowlers who cant bat for *****?
Our tail was horribly exposed because of having 5 specialist bowlers (Botha, Parnell, Tsotsobe, Morkel & Steyn)
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I wouldnt call them specialist bowlers...
Steyn is good, but I think they coaching him to be economical rather than attacking, thats my view of watching him play recently...
Morkel Im not a fan of, not one bit... highly overated for his place in the side, he WILL be exposed in the sub continent.
Tsotsobe... doing well at the moment. Hopefully he is capable of doing the same in the WC, I think Smithers needs to keep him motivated, if Smithers loses faith in Tsotsobe, its over for him.
Botha is okay, Parnell needs to wake up, hes a quality bowler but has no direction, literally. He needs coaching!!!

The Proteas are lacking 2 good bowlers.
Ive watch England play and their 2 opening bowlers are lethal! Anderson and Tremlett compliment eachother. The Paki bowlers as well, Gul destroyed NZ tail yesterday.
I think the Proteas need to start coaching players to bowl like the likes of Waqar, Gul, Wasim etc. This line and length BS is a waste.

but apart from all the bowlers, the batsmen need to stand up as well, they cannot rely on the tail enders to knock a 40 - 50 if need be. India doesnt have a long tail, Harbajan and Khan are not batsmen, they sloggers. Theres a difference.
 
From what I've read on this thread there seems to be no love for Parnell,and I agree.Why have two left-armers.I would have still gone for Albie in place of Parnell.
Albie used to always come in when the slog was on and its no surprise he failed so dismally in his last few innings.
 
Yeah I have to agree with most people on this thread. Yes Albie had his chance and failed but lets look at the stats... Him and Parnell are both sh*t bowlers as they generally are the two that get hammered. When it comes to batting, Albie is clearly superior as he comes in under pressure and gets his 20 or 30. What does Parnell do? Goes for a slog with 40 balls left and 2 runs to win, goes for 2 runs when there are plenty of balls left and no need to take chances. I mean to me Albie seems to be the lesser of two evils, and trust me, I am by no means an Albie fan. In fact I think he is useless. Our other option would be Ryan Maclaren who is not half bad either.

I honestly don't know why Ingram is in the team. I think David Miller would have been the better choice as he is accustomed to coming in low in the batting order and usually when the slog is on. He is also a very good fielder as he has had numerous run outs and can bowl (as was said on a news24 articles) so even if to bowl one over, would have been an option. Ingram at the moment is batting like an idiot. Instead of trying to building an innings, he always tries for the big shots and loses his wicket and puts the rest of the team under pressure when he is mean to be a specialist batsmen. David Miller is there to slog at the death.

I am also bemused by the AB de Villiers selection as wicket keeper. Not only is Morne van Wyk a better keeper since he is in fact a specialist keeper, he is also a better batsmen. AB as of the past year or 2, comes in and goes out. He literally only has a good innings every 4th of 5th game and it is extremely frustrating. He too tries to come in and slog from ball one instead of picking the ones and twos, build an innings and punish the bad ball or slightly bad ball. Him and Ingram have extremely poor shot selection abilities.

Anyways, that is my rant and in conclusion, I do not think SA stands a chance in the world cup because our selectors don't believe in giving people with talent an opportunity, they instead choose to stick with players who have proven themselves in the past but in recent times (like past 10 games in a row), have performed poorly. Good luck to us though, I hope our players sort of 'click' and come right. I also think we need more all rounders and I am glad Faf is in the team. To bat the way he did under that amount of pressure and on debut just shows that he has the BMT and that is what SA need.
 
@superskully.I would swop Miller with van Wyk since he hasn'nt been picked to go.Nice long batting lineup.
 
@icedreama.Did you forget that Ingram scored a hundred on debut.How would you feel if Faf got ducks in his next two innings.
 
wallsend said:
this is ablie's batting stats:
played: 51
innings: 38
not out: 8
runs: 679
high score: 97
ave:22.63
strike rate:100.14

bowling:
odi: 51
innings: 47
balls bowled: 1935
runs conceded: 1763
wickets: 50
best figures: 4/29
ave: 35.26
economy: 5.46

based on these stats he doesn't deserve his place.
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Johan Botha:
Batting:
Ave: 18.11
SR: 85.01

Bowling:
Ave: 40.61
SR: 52.2
Economy: 4.66

So his bowling stats are worse than Albie's, his batting stats are worse than Albie's, and his economy is the only thing that's a bit better (0.8 rpo better). Even his economy has started dipping since being banned from bowling the d00sra. I honestly don't know what skill Botha brings to the team, yet he's the next captain.
 
sandmanm34 said:
You might want to check out Johan Botha and Wayne Parnell's stats too before you reach your conclusion. Considering Albie bats at 7/8 the average is immaterial. It's the strike rate that is the more important figure and 100 in 50 over format is pretty impressive.

Wayne Parnell economy rate is currently 6.09 and Johan Botha's average is 40.61 and his strike rate is 52.2 so Albie has fared better there too...

Anyway once again the onus will be on the top 6 to score the runs, which it should be, but then we must be taking the batting power plays in overs 25-40 cause come the end of the innings Johan at 7, Wayne at 8 and Dale at 9 aren't going to be capitalizing on the field restrictions.. By the same token come the end of a match and we chasing the game a bit needing 50 or 60 from 25 or 30 balls to win don't expect those 3 to get us close...
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Once kallis is back they will play 7 batsmen, in fact even if he is not fully fit to bowl in the subcontinent they will paly 7 batsmen because in those conditions jp and faf can bowl 10 overs between them.

The issue is going to be if they want to play 2 spinners they probably have to drop one of morkel or lopsy. Very call consdering both have done well this series. They will also have to decide between ingram and van wyk, neither really suited to number 7, still would want miller there.

This should be the side come the wc from the squad picked:

1.Smith
2.Amla
3.Kallis
4.AB
5.JP
6.Faf
7.Ingram/Van wyk
8.Botha
9.Steyn
10.Morkel
11.Tahir/Tsotsobe

Tahir/lopsy will depend on conditions.
 
sandmanm34 said:
You might want to check out Johan Botha and Wayne Parnell's stats too before you reach your conclusion. Considering Albie bats at 7/8 the average is immaterial. It's the strike rate that is the more important figure and 100 in 50 over format is pretty impressive.

Wayne Parnell economy rate is currently 6.09 and Johan Botha's average is 40.61 and his strike rate is 52.2 so Albie has fared better there too...

Anyway once again the onus will be on the top 6 to score the runs, which it should be, but then we must be taking the batting power plays in overs 25-40 cause come the end of the innings Johan at 7, Wayne at 8 and Dale at 9 aren't going to be capitalizing on the field restrictions.. By the same token come the end of a match and we chasing the game a bit needing 50 or 60 from 25 or 30 balls to win don't expect those 3 to get us close...
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Can't see why people are saying they're glad Albie wasn't picked.

They were singing a different tune when Albie pulled us out of some difficult games on our tour to Australia. Before people start complaining about how long ago that was, please take into consideration that Duminy still plays in the team based on that tour, and has had little to show afterwards, so how is it that Albie can't be given the same grace?
 
AirWolf said:
Can't see why people are saying they're glad Albie wasn't picked.

They were singing a different tune when Albie pulled us out of some difficult games on our tour to Australia. Before people start complaining about how long ago that was, please take into consideration that Duminy still plays in the team based on that tour, and has had little to show afterwards, so how is it that Albie can't be given the same grace?
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Not just Duminy. Parnell as well bowled a few good spells in the ODIs and gets straight back into the playing 11 and WC squad after injury.
 
AirWolf said:
Can't see why people are saying they're glad Albie wasn't picked.

They were singing a different tune when Albie pulled us out of some difficult games on our tour to Australia. Before people start complaining about how long ago that was, please take into consideration that Duminy still plays in the team based on that tour, and has had little to show afterwards, so how is it that Albie can't be given the same grace?
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In tests you are right concerning jp but for odi's you are wrong.

In the last 2 years since 1 Jan 2008 JP averages 49.09 with a strikerate of 86.

In the same period albie morkel is averaging 26.05 with a 110 strikerate.

Now lets look at the bowling :

JP 15 wickets at 36.60 and a economy rate of 4.89. Pretty decent for a part timer.
Albie 28 wickets at 39.50 with a economy rate of 5.64.

So sorry but jp is there on form, his stats prove this.
 
stefan9 said:
In tests you are right concerning jp but for odi's you are wrong.

In the last 2 years since 1 Jan 2008 JP averages 49.09 with a strikerate of 86.

In the same period albie morkel is averaging 26.05 with a 110 strikerate.

Now lets look at the bowling :

JP 15 wickets at 36.60 and a economy rate of 4.89. Pretty decent for a part timer.
Albie 28 wickets at 39.50 with a economy rate of 5.64.

So sorry but jp is there on form, his stats prove this.
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I wasn't making a direct comparison between the two on form as their roles in the team are different, but merely about opportunities in the team.

But don't worry, we will see come the World Cup.
 
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