Cricket world cup discussion thread

That's it, done and dusted, well played SL, England going home.

Now that all the rubbish teams are gone. The big boys can now start playing.
 
SL showing how you bat in a knockout game. Wonder if our management were taking notes...
 
Ok all the big sub continent teams in.

Do you think these pitches have played a role in that?
I mean everyone di generally well. Aus had no variety in their bowling - their fault. Proteas - nuff said. England a few high scoring games, poor bowling.

Is it the pitch/conditions?
 
[Quattro];5829631 said:
Ok all the big sub continent teams in.

Do you think these pitches have played a role in that?
I mean everyone di generally well. Aus had no variety in their bowling - their fault. Proteas - nuff said. England a few high scoring games, poor bowling.

Is it the pitch/conditions?
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Pitch, Conditions and the crowd support.
 
England were stupid to play south african players in a knockout match.. what did they expect?
 
[Quattro];5828279 said:
Supporting the Pakis is always risky, you need to have a secondary team :p
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Um, no, you don't. You support your team whether they win or lose. That's how it works.

Ronjay said:
Actually, I think you hit the nail on the head. Get rid of the entire lot, from management, right to players. Begin afresh.
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Ja, then when the inexperienced team starts losing left right and centre everyone calls for heads again because South Africans just aren't accustomed to losing.

mmmig said:
I called it right, to be honest this is the weakest Protea WC squad in the last 12 years.
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Exactly what everyone was saying six weeks ago when the team was selected. Suddenly, yesterday morning everyone was going on about "the most balanced team in the World Cup." Now suddenly we should fire them all. :roll:

killadoob said:
Rubbish it is the most balanced side we have ever had i think, if anything we have too many options.

Good spin
good pace
Good fielding
Awesome batting line up

choking mentality very strong.
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You mean:

Good spin
Good pace
Average fielding (compared to historic South African teams)
Average batting line up
No real big hitter
Lack of a decent middle order allrounder

Our bowling options are currently very well balanced, but that's about it. We might've been better served playing Ingram for Botha. Botha's done virtually nothing in this competition.
 
http://www.espncricinfo.com/icc_cricket_worldcup2011/engine/current/match/433586.html

Virtually nothing? look at his bowling figures against india and look at his score. The team was not that much different to the one that beat india apart from the top order failing very poorly and expecting our tail to get 100 runs.

The sad reality is you cannot expect your tail to chase down 100 runs. I think in most games if a teams top order fails it is very rare the last 3 or 4 batsmen can get you home.

J Botha 9 0 29 0 3.22 (1w)

I would have to say that is a contribution. Who would have picked up those 9 overs?


RJ Peterson 9 0 49 1 5.44

zero runs

M Morkel 7 0 59 1 8.42 (1nb)

Also scored barely anything, imagine morkel had to bowl another 3 overs. You are picking on botha when he actually bowled really well along with tahir.
 
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killadoob said:
http://www.espncricinfo.com/icc_cricket_worldcup2011/engine/current/match/433586.html

Virtually nothing? look at his bowling figures against india and look at his score. The team was not that much different to the one that beat india apart from the top order failing very poorly and expecting our tail to get 100 runs.

The sad reality is you cannot expect your tail to chase down 100 runs. I think in most games if a teams top order fails it is very rare the last 3 or 4 batsmen can get you home.

J Botha 9 0 29 0 3.22 (1w)

I would have to say that is a contribution. Who would have picked up those 9 overs?
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Heres my opinion:

Too many bowlers, not enough decent batters.
No finishers
Kallis is known to always play stupidly in odi games, due to his reputation he was picked.
JP Duminy is also touching the B Grade line with his consistently poor "form".
Robin peterson could have been replaced with someone way better, Albie Morkel in my opinion.
Boucher has saved us in so many games, why was he omitted? Who knows, apparently a funky spectrum selection does the job.
Morne Van Wyk should have stayed keeper for all the games, why f**k around so much with the squad?
Smith wasn't exactly in form, however people prefer to blame him for all the other players f**kups.
Johan Botha is B Grade at best - I don't believe he has captain qualities and don't believe he bowls better than Tahir.

So essentially it was the team selection that cost us this world cup. A tricky "unknown" team will only get so far until the better team beats them on player quality. Proteas found that out this time.

Just my opinion :)
 
Hmm heres my opinion for what its worth as well

1. Smith and his piss poor form. Tolerated for too f$%king long. As I heard someone say we should have dropped the captain and played an extra batsman

2. Amla was reasonable but he did not play to his full potential. I always got the feeling he was trying to score too quickly. Should have taken it slightly slower and looked to bat through. He was probably looking to compensate for Smith though...

3. Kallis showed signs of coming to the party but too little too late. Once again why not try to bat through. Chasing 220 odd if we batted 50 overs we would have won.

4. AB can hold his head up high. No issue with him and injuries aside he more than carried his weight.

5. Duminy needs to man the f$%k up. That shot was incredibly stupid and he just appears brittle.

6. Faf I thought was a revelation. I was impressed with his skills and was the only one showing any fight.

Of the bowlers the only issues I have are that Morkel was always chosen ahead of Lopsy which is just wrong. Lopsy would have been a wiser choice in those conditions.

Secondly is this concept that Botha is an all rounder. He is not, he is a "holding (read non-wicket taking)" spinner who knows how to hold a bat. Period

Steyn, Tahir and Peterson were all legends that were let down by their team mates.

Hindsight is 20/20 though. Oh and as for NZ they can go f$%k themselves after that incidents with Mills, Styris, Vetorri and Faf. W@nkers who are going to get schooled in Rugby World Cup 2011. Payback will be sweet.
 
killadoob said:
http://www.espncricinfo.com/icc_cricket_worldcup2011/engine/current/match/433586.html

Virtually nothing? look at his bowling figures against india and look at his score. The team was not that much different to the one that beat india apart from the top order failing very poorly and expecting our tail to get 100 runs.

The sad reality is you cannot expect your tail to chase down 100 runs. I think in most games if a teams top order fails it is very rare the last 3 or 4 batsmen can get you home.

J Botha 9 0 29 0 3.22 (1w)

I would have to say that is a contribution. Who would have picked up those 9 overs?


RJ Peterson 9 0 49 1 5.44

zero runs

M Morkel 7 0 59 1 8.42 (1nb)

Also scored barely anything, imagine morkel had to bowl another 3 overs. You are picking on botha when he actually bowled really well along with tahir.
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You are picking on one game. Over the tournament all of tahir,peterson,steyn and morkel outbowled him. Botha had the lowest wickets of all the bowlers. He took only 4 all tournament, even kallis took more with 5.


The_Omlette said:
Of the bowlers the only issues I have are that Morkel was always chosen ahead of Lopsy which is just wrong. Lopsy would have been a wiser choice in those conditions.
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Morkel had 9 wickets at 23. He did his job no reason to leave him out.
 
stefan9 said:
You are picking on one game. Over the tournament all of tahir,peterson,steyn and morkel outbowled him. Botha had the lowest wickets of all the bowlers. He took only 4 all tournament, even kallis took more with 5.


Morkel had 9 wickets at 23. He did his job no reason to leave him out.
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Show me the figures that support your claim please? Botha has been the best bowler RR wise in the games he has played.

Back it up with some stats please.

wickets don't always win games as tahir and peterson have proven. Batting has to do the job when the bowlers do theirs.
 
dal2000 said:
Heres my opinion:

Too many bowlers, not enough decent batters.
No finishers
Kallis is known to always play stupidly in odi games, due to his reputation he was picked.
JP Duminy is also touching the B Grade line with his consistently poor "form".
Robin peterson could have been replaced with someone way better, Albie Morkel in my opinion.
Boucher has saved us in so many games, why was he omitted? Who knows, apparently a funky spectrum selection does the job.
Morne Van Wyk should have stayed keeper for all the games, why f**k around so much with the squad?
Smith wasn't exactly in form, however people prefer to blame him for all the other players f**kups.
Johan Botha is B Grade at best - I don't believe he has captain qualities and don't believe he bowls better than Tahir.

So essentially it was the team selection that cost us this world cup. A tricky "unknown" team will only get so far until the better team beats them on player quality. Proteas found that out this time.

Just my opinion :)
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100%.Once Duminy goes cheaply there's no one in the middle order capable of scoring a 50 under pressure.For that you need a Devilliers or a Kallis.Botha should have been dropped for Van Wyk who would come in at 3.Somehow Botha managed to winge his way into the by way of being a likely 'future captain'.Critical mistake by the selectors.
 
killadoob said:
Show me the figures that support your claim please? Botha has been the best bowler RR wise in the games he has played.

Back it up with some stats please.

wickets don't always win games as tahir and peterson have proven. Batting has to do the job when the bowlers do theirs.
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Been proven time and time again that taking slow run rates.

But since you wanted the overall stats:

Tahir 14 wickets @ 10.71 with an economy rate of 3.79 per over.
Robbie Peterson 15 wickets @ 15.86 with an economy rate of 4.25
Dale Steyn 12 wickets @ 16 with an economy rate of 4.15
M.Morkel 9 wickets @ 23 with an economy rate of 5.13
Johan Botha 4 wickets @ 42.75 with an economy rate of 4.07.
Kallis 5 wickets @24.60 with an economy rate of 4.10.

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/icc_cricket_worldcup2011/engine/records/averages/batting_bowling_by_team.html?id=4857;team=3;type=tournament

His economy rate is not much better then steyn and peterson and they have taken a lot more wickets. His economy rate and wicket taking ability is inferior to tahir. I believe the stats tell the story.;)
 
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