Crime in SA is not that big a problem

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Crime not a big problem - sap brigadier chipu

Pretoria - After accepting a memorandum voicing the country's anger about the crime situation in Pretoria on Wednesday, police Brigadier Phuntsi Chipu said that crime was not as big a problem as people thought.

Chipu said the police welcomed the initiative and that "every step with the community to fight crime is one in a positive direction".

However, he said South Africa was a safe country and that crime was not as big a problem as people thought.

"It is safe, crime is everywhere in the world. It's no worse in South Africa," Chipu said.

Handing over a memorandum to Chipu, Solidarity's general secretary Flip Buys said lazy and inefficient officials needed to be removed from the ranks as people had become tired of the bloodshed.

'Remove lazy cops'

"We express our gratitude towards the thousands of police members who risk their lives to make South Africa safer."

"At the same time, we call for the removal of inefficient, lazy and corrupt police officials," Buys said.

He said the protest had been necessary because crime was out of control and people feared for their safety.

"Through this protest memorandum we wanted to voice our anger about the crime situation and indicate that we will not allow crime to be regarded as a normal part of society."

"Crime is abnormal and this is why we are protesting against it. The day we stop protesting is the day we will have lost the fight."

Buys said the community was also committed to the battle and that it would co-operate with the police to bring a ceasefire.

Nationwide call

Crime victims and their relatives gathered in Pretoria to voice their rage and frustration at the impact crime had on their lives.

The protest was part of a nationwide call by Solidarity and AfriForum to "end the bloodshed".

"I was stabbed for my cellphone, I'm glad it (the wound) wasn't too serious," was a note attached to a rose laid at the Solidarity protest.

"My son died of a heroin overdose. I've had two house-breakings," read another note attached to a flower.

Alta Espach said her son was murdered a year and six months ago. On her red outfit was the logo "we are tired of blood".

"I just wish that they (the police) can find the person. We built our plot next to him (her son) so that he could be our security."

Police had told the family they were trying to bring them justice, but there had been no results.

'Zimbabwe is safer'

While many complained that the police were lazy and not doing enough to bring the crime situation under control, some were sympathetic.

"I don't think they have the means," said Karen van Zyl, from Rayton.

"I feel it's a great pity for them because there is not enough of them," she said.

Lourens Hamman said he thought most people were influenced directly or indirectly by crime and that the death penalty needed to be brought in to stamp out criminality.

"Why is Zimbabwe safer? Why is Botswana a safer country? It's because they have the death penalty," Hamman said.

"People murder and they go on a long vacation to jail," he said. His wife Liezel added: "I don't want to live in a jail anymore."

Race issues

Race was a central point at the rally with some claiming that farmers were attacked after would-be murderers were incited by songs like "shoot the boer".

However Van Zyl said she felt crime was not a race issue and that a petition was needed for a peaceful and prosperous country for all.

"Today I just thought I'd let my red show."

The theme of the march was that the country should "see red" over crime and show that people were tired of blood at the hands of criminals.

Herman Deyzel said his car had been stolen and that he and his wife felt victimised and scared that they would be harmed.

"I'm turning 60, I was born here and I would like to die here," he said adding that he hoped his death would be from natural causes.

1 000 red balloons

After releasing 1 000 red balloons into the sky, a painting by artist Salomi Prinsloo was unveiled.

Titled "Butchered Rainbow", Prinsloo's piece of protest art showed the crime statistics from 2006 to 2008 blending into a flood of water engulfing high grass.

The bottom part of the artwork was also etched with thousands of lines.

"These are not numbers. These are lines of the people who have been murdered. It's not acceptable, life is precious," she said.

The group, which had gathered at the Harlequin Club in Groenkloof, split up into smaller groups which were to hand memorandums to police stations across the greater Pretoria area.

- SAPA

http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/Crime-not-such-a-big-problem-police-20100519

Well there we have it - crime in SA is not bad

Now is Brigadier Phuntsi Chipu the rooster?
 
Try telling that to my neighbour. He was killed when hijacked in front of his gate. This was three months ago. His wife still has no idea what is happening to his case because no police has come back to them. When she phones the station the officer in charge of the case is never there or is busy or something.
 
"It is safe, crime is everywhere in the world. It's no worse in South Africa," Chipu said.

I normally avoid the political threads but this is such an absurd statement, I had to voice my utter disbelief.

:sick:
 
Want proof that crime does not exist?
Simple, call 10111 at 20H00.

Because you cannot get through to call for help, obviously the problem does not exist.
 
police Brigadier Phuntsi Chipu said that crime was not as big a problem as people thought.
That statement is a slap in the face for all law-abiding South Africans!

What did this chop do to become a Brigadier? Oh sorry - the ANC is giving out fancy titles left right and centre just as long as you're totally incompetent and massive idiot... While the rest of the country is murdered and raped... VIVA!
 
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Well there we have it - crime in SA is not bad

Now is Brigadier Phuntsi Chipu the rooster?

starting threads like this is baiting and asking for derailment. we can make points without referring to members

However, he said South Africa was a safe country and that crime was not as big a problem as people thought.

i disagree
 
Not sure how accurate this is, but it has us as the 2nd most "Murders (per capita)" just below Colombia: http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur_percap-crime-murders-per-capita

I'm guessing Brigadier Phuntsi "the *******" Chipu is not aware of this.

Not accurate at all. That graph is obviously old. Our current murder crime rate is 0.37 per 1000. Not 0.49.

We (of countries that are capable of reporting stats, which doesn't include most of Africa, South East Asia and South America) have the ninth highest murder rate.

Here is a newer graph.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

To illustrate how much lower we probably are than 9 notice how many countries are missing or haven't reported stats for many years, or report ridiculous stats that don't match anecdotal evidence. Countries like Somalia don't even have functioning governments or police forces. I would suggest we would probably still be in the top fifty for murder if all countries had the ability to report stats. So it's nothing to be proud of. But we're hardly the "murder capital of the world" as some drama queens like to go on about.

But yes, I think in essence it's silly to say crime here is nominal. We clearly have a very high level of murder. I wouldn't deny this. But I would reject anyone middle classed person seeing themselves chiefly as the victims. The gross majority of murders are drunken disputes turned ugly. Not "hijackings" and "house breakings" and the true "terror" crimes. They make up around 500 of the 18000 murders according to police.
 
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An acquaintance got hijacked on Saturday.

While discussing this matter with the Tracker people, 7 other hijacking calls came in.

But maybe that is lower than usual, so it is not a problem ???
 
Not accurate at all. That graph is obviously old. Our current murder crime rate is 0.37 per 1000. Not 0.49.

We (of countries that are capable of reporting stats, which doesn't include most of Africa, South East Asia and South America) have the tenth highest murder rate.

Here is a newer graph.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

To illustrate how much lower we probably are than 9 notice how many countries are missing or haven't reported stats for many years, or report ridiculous stats that don't match anecdotal evidence. Countries like Somalia don't even have functioning governments or police forces. I would suggest we would probably still be in the top fifty for murder if all countries had the ability to report stats. So it's nothing to be proud of. But we're hardly the "murder capital of the world" as some drama queens like to go on about.

From your link:

Intentional homicide demographics are affected by changes in trauma care, leading to changed lethality of violent assaults, so the intentional homicide rate may not necessarily indicate the overall level of societal violence. They may also be underreported for political reasons

And that works both ways.

But you are right - it's nothing to be proud of.
 
Not accurate at all. That graph is obviously old. Our current murder crime rate is 0.37 per 1000. Not 0.49.

We (of countries that are capable of reporting stats, which doesn't include most of Africa, South East Asia and South America) have the ninth highest murder rate.

Here is a newer graph.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

To illustrate how much lower we probably are than 9 notice how many countries are missing or haven't reported stats for many years, or report ridiculous stats that don't match anecdotal evidence. Countries like Somalia don't even have functioning governments or police forces. I would suggest we would probably still be in the top fifty for murder if all countries had the ability to report stats. So it's nothing to be proud of. But we're hardly the "murder capital of the world" as some drama queens like to go on about.

But yes, I think in essence it's silly to say crime here is nominal. We clearly have a very high level of murder. I wouldn't deny this. But I would reject anyone middle classed person seeing themselves chiefly as the victims. The gross majority of murders are drunken disputes turned ugly. Not "hijackings" and "house breakings" and the true "terror" crimes. They make up around 500 of the 18000 murders according to police.

The source of the wikipedia article is the SAPS. Wouldn't call that objective or accurate.
 
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Knowing that would you have avoided free tickets to the recent world cup and icc 20.20 ? I certainly wouldn't. And it wouldn't worry me for a second to think I would be murdered. Crazy. Why are people trying to frighten tourists away here ? Trying to keep this wonderful country to yourselves huh ? Admit it !

Selfish.
 
Knowing that would you have avoided free tickets to the recent world cup and icc 20.20 ? I certainly wouldn't. And it wouldn't worry me for a second to think I would be murdered. Crazy. Why are people trying to frighten tourists away here ? Trying to keep this wonderful country to yourselves huh ? Admit it !

Selfish.

Are you suggesting that we invite tourists here to make ourselves safer?
 
The source of the wikipedia article is the SAPS. Wouldn't call that objective or accurate.

Nor would I call pulling number out your butt. I guarantee our stats here in south Africa A country with a sophisticated infrastructure where the stats are used by actuaries in the insurance industry, Accurate death certificates are handed out etc, are a damn side more accurate than the rest of the third world. Any conspiracy to hide crime stats would have to involve a hell of a lot of people from all spectrums of life. I find this argument silly that I need to rather listen to liars with agendas like Adrianna Struijt rather than actual professional statisticians. Do you believe in bigfoot too ?
 
Nor would I call pulling number out your butt. I guarantee our stats here in south Africa A country with a sophisticated infrastructure where the stats are used by actuaries in the insurance industry, Accurate death certificates are handed out etc, are a damn side more accurate than the rest of the third world. Any conspiracy to hide crime stats would have to involve a hell of a lot of people from all spectrums of life. I find this argument silly that I need to rather listen to liars with agendas like Adrianna Struijt rather than actual professional statisticians. Do you believe in bigfoot too ?

Oh god now you are comparing ZA to the rest of the 3rd world? :rolleyes:
 
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