Crime Stats Released

bring on the army, i say. the police are clearly failing. if anything they're only working to keep crime levels stable, and not decrease them. what do the sandf do with their time anyways? fighting for peace in africa? what about SOUTH africa? at least they'll be getting some nice target practice :D
hell, i'll even join if they arm me with some uber machine gun to clean out crime. this is war now

Armies are no good at policing by their very nature so this is not a possible solution.

Edit: I say pass a resolution that no top level politicians in the country get payed again until crime is reduced to an acceptable level. Then we might see some action.
 
No but they could be used in a limited role to do patrols etc.

And in positions that are no better than a war - like rioters blocking highway and so forth.
Afterall, what exactly does a "peace keeping" force do?
 
And in positions that are no better than a war - like rioters blocking highway and so forth.
Afterall, what exactly does a "peace keeping" force do?

Hillbrow could probably do with a few battalions too. :D Put a soldier on every street corner and put them in radio contact with the police who would then have to be called to formally arrest and charge people etc.
 
My 2c,

A curfew and bringing in the army tastes like the 'bad old days' and wont go down too well with the up-coming elections. Trust needs to be restored in the Police force, and that in itself is a huge task (I would not know ever where to start to restore face in the men/women in blue)

The mentality of "Its always been crime ridden in the townships" mentality needs to go far away, and everyone must stand together. Building a community is a start. (Do you know everyone/anyone in your street?)

There has to be a line drawn in "Right to privacy" and "Right to Security" argument, and communities need to take note of who are roaming the streets.. either by block-watch or CCTV cameras and ASK these stragglers "Can I help you?" .. it wont get rid of the criminal element, but it will be known that the community takes note.

But that raises the argument, the Police arrest, the lawyers argue a "Technicality" - the criminal leaves laughing... Either Law ENFOCEMENT officials need to be educated more on Legal things, or the Legislation needs to be changed to cater for "Police arent perfect and may make mistakes too". The law of the land is Enforced, but Prosecution is the fly in the ointment. (There are corrupt police too, but I think thats the minority, there are more corrupt lawyers that can obscure the facts and use red-tape to the advantage of the criminal)
 
Armies are no good at policing by their very nature so this is not a possible solution.

No but they could be used in a limited role to do patrols etc.

And in positions that are no better than a war - like rioters blocking highway and so forth.
Afterall, what exactly does a "peace keeping" force do?

Hillbrow could probably do with a few battalions too. :D Put a soldier on every street corner and put them in radio contact with the police who would then have to be called to formally arrest and charge people etc.

yeah, thats what i was thinking. instill fear in would be law breakers minds. criminals seem to be winning the war with cops, but they'd never stand a chance against the army, so hopefully they'll curb their violence somewhat
 
yeah, thats what i was thinking. instill fear in would be law breakers minds. criminals seem to be winning the war with cops, but they'd never stand a chance against the army, so hopefully they'll curb their violence somewhat

Hopefully, it could be quite effective along with a regulation that authorised the use of lethal force if necessary. Its time the criminals start suffering instead of the innocent people.
 
Bring back....an eye for an eye!


Loved that one!!


This turn the other cheek rainbow nation I'm sorry I'll wash your feet and kiss your @ss and give you my job philosophy is getting us butchered in our beds,raped gutted, set on fire, hung, strangled, mutilated and left to bleed to death in our driveways ....for what....a few cellphones and some pocket change!!!

The price of freedom is too high. FGS someone save SA.

Heroes of the struggle...where are you now huh...living it up while we die like animals led to the slaughter...even animals die better?
 
Crime Statistics

"I aint so much the things we know that hurt us, but the things we know for sure that aint so" - Artemus Ward
 
I don't know..maybe I'm just in denial or hoping it will get better.

I can't leave at the moment but looking into the future...

My biggest fear is that by 2014 we will have plummeted into ZIM 2.0 and that it may be too late to leave!

My bet is that if we haven't turned the corner by 2010 with aids, crime, poverty, unemployment etc etc and the Gvt hasn't seen that whitey is part of this country as citizens, and that we are being slaughtered like animals and that we dont deserve to be butchered in ourr beds and driveways, we whitey better get out fast because then ZIM 2.0 will be inevitable. No-one will save us or help us. We'll have to flee like refugee's. I feel that this is where it will probably end ???!!!!???

Probably the only whites in SA by 2050 will be a few imported priests, the really extremely poor lost last few remnants of a dead whitey civilization that no-one in the world will take in, some foreign volunteer doctors without borders, extreme hardcore contractors and national geographic photgraphers ala Tanzania/Kenya/Nigeria/DRC/Rwanda/Zambia/Angola/Mozambique of today

The whiteman in Africa is so over ...we just need to admit it and leave!

If we do we'll be doing everybody a favour. The fact is we failed in building our culture and civilization here, we will never be able to bridge or transform or adapt ..we will probably die trying if we don't leave.
 
so instead of saying (for example) - "there were 21 000 murders this year" -
they're talking in couched terms and saying:
"murders were up 2.4%'

No mention anywhere of actual NUMBERS. They've been getting PR training from the sounds of it. How to release information about mass slaughter, while not mentioning anything likely to make the average person freak out and go
'Gee, there were 21 000 murders! I'm living in a slaughterhouse!'

The question is whether their bull_hit will convince FIFA and foreign tourists and investors. I would think not. This is just the ANC patting themselves on the back for doing f__ol :-). In a recent CNN interview one ANC ?Safety-and-Security minister commented how his department would now have more funds, in the 5 years he was on the job. If there was true accountability
or at least honour in these people, they would resign in shame, 5 years
and f-ol to show for it.
 
And here's another addition to the stats.

http://www.sundaytimes.co.za/PrintEdition/Insight/Article.aspx?id=510924

We came home from Oz to our worst nightmare

I write in a state of utter sadness. After reading “Beefed up police stations turning crime fight around” (July 1), I was compelled to respond.

On June 22, the worst nightmare became reality.

I was at work at 1pm when the phone rang. I saw it was my home number, “the wife”, and tapped “silent” since I was in mid-conversation.

It started ringing again and again I pressed “silent”, planning to call at the end of the conversation, in two minutes.

The third time I excused myself and answered the call.

On the other end of the line was the rasping voice of my wife: “I have been shot at home and am bleeding badly, please help!”

This was 40km away.

I ran past reception and shouted for them to phone the police while I got in my car and raced home.

I was greeted by a sight which will haunt me for years to come ...

We had returned in May from Australia, after I completed a 16-month project in New South Wales.

We had returned to evaluate our options and decide whether to stay in South Africa or not.

It can’t be as bad as they say, we thought.

My almost four-year-old son and almost two-year-old daughter were settling in nicely.

We had spent some money on the house we had bought just prior to leaving, and built a prefab wall around the perimeter of the stand in Inchanga, not 200m from the Comrades route. This was to improve security a little, but this was a safe area.

We were looking forward to settling into the new home after an extended period of travelling. After all, we weren’t the same as all the others South Africans in Oz — we wanted to stay.

That day, my wife had run some errands and collected my son from school .

As always, she clicked the button and the gate slid open, and she drove into the yard, with the kids taking an afternoon nap in the car — peace.

As she pulled up next to the house and looked towards the door, she saw a guy climbing out of the window and another standing in the house.

He said, “Hello, we are taking some stuff,” and stood there while the other started to climb out.

She realised this was a problem and reversed the car . She reached the T in the drive-way and as she looked up she saw the first man round the corner of the house and raise a gun. She heard a shot. The window burst and she kept going. Another shot, and her arm flew off the wheel.

The car slewed to the side, out of control, and stopped 15m from the gunman.

She felt a burning sensation in her shoulder and arm and the gushing of blood down her side.

A man appeared, grabbed her by the throat and shouted and swore at her for trying to leave.

My son was still sleeping in the back of the car, but the little girl watched as the madman shook her mom around and poked a gun in her face.

He demanded and took car keys, money and cellphone and, with a final insult, ran away, leaving a shocked and severely bleeding 50kg woman to her own fate.

She managed to retrieve the house keys from the car and staggered into the house to call me, while I was pressing the “silent” button on my phone — something I will never do again.

She staggered back to the car and tried to unbuckle my frantic daughter from the car seat, but was losing strength.

She left her there and staggered into the road to call for help.

I arrived 20 minutes later to find her sitting in the car, bleeding terribly.

Since the services were on strike, there was no ambulance in attendance.

I took her to the nearest casualty ward.

She had surgery the next morning — four hours to insert a plate to gather the badly fractured pieces of the upper right arm and to remove the bullet from under the skin in the front of her chest.

It has been a blur since then. Fear, confusion, children not understanding, pain — why did they shoot her?

So, I sit here alone in my home, alone because I cannot bear leaving my people in this house while I leave — for any reason.

I read your article and think that it is utter bull, since I have not once, not even from the police themselves, had any indication that there is a possibility of catching these beasts.

This after good fingerprints were lifted and the bullet was recovered (from the chest of my wife).

Sadly, with this, we have been pushed to leave our beloved, hated South Africa .

We join the ranks of leavers — an engineer and a nurse, who yearn to live in and contribute to the country of their birth, a country that does not want them.

Today I watched as one of the many police vehicles you speak of was in a shopping-area parking lot being loaded full of civilians and shopping bags.

I guess that one was off duty.

— Ex-South African, Inchanga
 
Shocking.

These people can revenge on the government by taking their education and skills with them.
 
One lesson I think is important from that story, cellphone etiquet isn't relevant in SA with this type of threat looming over our heads the whole time.
 
The enemy within
Adriaan Basson
07 July 2007 11:59

They're called "security complexes" -- but crime statistics indicate they are anything but secure. And, says Institute for Security Studies researcher Johan Burger, the enemy is sometimes within.

The statistics suggest that residents of wealthy Gauteng suburbs, who spend millions of rands every year protecting their properties, were the main victims of house robberies in 2006/07.

Sandton police station topped South Africa's house robbery category, with 343 reported incidents.

Also in the top 10 were Midrand and the west Jo'burg area of Douglasdale, which are carpeted with security villages, and the up-market Pretoria suburbs of Garsfontein and Brooklyn.

Burger made the point that such areas offer criminals the highest returns. "The fact that you live in a security complex doesn't safeguard you. Maybe against some opportunistic crimes, but not against the attacks of sophisticated syndicates."

Some criminals even rented houses in complexes. "Then they have an entrance and can let their friends in without other residents realising."

Residents of complexes were less vigilant than others, making them more susceptible to crime. An additional factor was that some robbers came from the ranks of security companies and had vital information on properties they formerly protected.

"There are people in syndicates who are very well informed. Lots of these robbers used to work for companies which provide the safety technology," Burger said.

In its report the SAPS fingered last year's security strike for the escalation in house robberies, which had risen year on year by 25,4%.

Burger agreed: "It is important to underline the positive contribution of security firms to the safety of people and property. The fact that some criminals once worked for them doesn't detract from their importance."

He also pointed out that some of the striking guards were themselves guilty of committing serious crimes.

Burger said the private security industry employed more than 300 000 people -- almost double the staff complement of the SAPS. Its growing role as the protector of the propertied classes was unhealthy.

"When wealthy people lose confidence in the police's capabilities, they buy security, while the poor don't have the money to do that. They [the poor] don't have choices. Now you have a situation where the wealthy are becoming increasingly independent of the police."
http://www.mg.co.za/articlePage.aspx?articleid=313227&area=/insight/insight__national/
 
Doesn't necessarily mean much though, these people are likely to be targets anyway due to having more expensive assets. How much worse would it be without the security?

Its growing role as the protector of the propertied classes was unhealthy.

Why? Yes we shouldn't have to use private security but what other option is there? To be blunt the only reason people I know call the cops is for a case number for insurance. If you have a problem you hit the panic button or call the security company, at least you're guaranteed a fast response.
 
Did anyone else notice that the announced statistical percentages actually work on per capita and not the actual figures? For murder, for example, they claim an increase of 2.4% from 39.5 to 40.5 per 100 000, yet the actual figures show an increase from 18528 (2005/06) to 19202 (2006/07) which actually equates to an increase of 3.6375%. Interestingly, in the Police statistics this is clearly shown as 3.5% increase, so even there is a discrepancy.

Massaging crime statistics?

Charles Nqakula: you should be fired. Lucky for you you have the world's most incompetent boss.
 
Did anyone else notice that the announced statistical percentages actually work on per capita and not the actual figures? For murder, for example, they claim an increase of 2.4% from 39.5 to 40.5 per 100 000, yet the actual figures show an increase from 18528 (2005/06) to 19202 (2006/07) which actually equates to an increase of 3.6375%. Interestingly, in the Police statistics this is clearly shown as 3.5% increase, so even there is a discrepancy.

Massaging crime statistics?

Charles Nqakula: you should be fired. Lucky for you you have the world's most incompetent boss.

To be honest I didn't even bother looking at the crime stats too closely because I think even the underlying data is bogus. I have no confidence in them. Case in point: A local paper in Grahamstown asked the cops how many burglaries they have reported to them, according to the good ol' SAPS, one every two days. Then they asked the security company, their response: 4 a day. Considering only people in the suburbs are likely to have private security this is an even more shocking difference and shows how manipulated the stats are. Just a localised example sure but its probably repeated throughout the country.
 
I wish that ever single person who is a crime victim would get together and start a class action law suit against the minister and gvt. Sue the bastards for billions and make them pay. They are to be held responsible
 
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