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So now the country is free. When did you last check? Maybe he is released again!
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no he appeared in court and has been remanded in custody
Pretoria...eish.....wakker loop boet
Pretoria ranks among the most dangerous places in the country when it comes to violent robberies, with three of the capital's suburbs falling within the top 11 most dangerous and violent areas to live in.
This was revealed during the release of the South African Police Service (SAPS) annual crime statistics at the Union Buildings in the capital yesterday. The statistics relate to the period from April 1 2005 to March 31 this year.
While Pretoria and its policing areas were not on the country's top 10 list when it came to murders, rapes and indecent assaults, the capital does not fare well when it comes to robbery with aggravated circumstances.
http://www.pretorianews.co.za/index.php?fArticleId=3458666
Pretoria ranks among the most dangerous places in the country when it comes to violent robberies, with three of the capital's suburbs falling within the top 11 most dangerous and violent areas to live in.
This was revealed during the release of the South African Police Service (SAPS) annual crime statistics at the Union Buildings in the capital yesterday. The statistics relate to the period from April 1 2005 to March 31 this year.
While Pretoria and its policing areas were not on the country's top 10 list when it came to murders, rapes and indecent assaults, the capital does not fare well when it comes to robbery with aggravated circumstances.
http://www.pretorianews.co.za/index.php?fArticleId=3458666
If that was Yesterday check again today, else he may visit sooner than you think!
Is it your supposition that due to the anecdotal evidence you have given that the crime problem in South Africa is over stated?
Business sounds alarm over crime
Stubbornly high crime statistics show South Africa has a long way to go to fight one of the prime deterrents to much-needed investment, business leaders said on Thursday.
The latest crime data, released by the police on Wednesday, showed a slight decline in murders and other crimes but an alarming rise in others, such as armoured-car heists.
The contrasting figures pose a tough challenge for authorities as they try to lure tourists and foreign investors, especially ahead of the 2010 Soccer World Cup in South Africa.
"I have a real feeling that the growth in criminal activity will keep rising," said Siphiwe Nzimande, CEO of Business Against Crime, a privately funded group based in Johannesburg.
"If that continued to be the pattern over some years it means South Africa [would] become a less safe place to do business. We need to fix it."
http://www.mg.co.za/articlepage.aspx?area=/breaking_news/breaking_news__national/&articleid=285281
Stubbornly high crime statistics show South Africa has a long way to go to fight one of the prime deterrents to much-needed investment, business leaders said on Thursday.
The latest crime data, released by the police on Wednesday, showed a slight decline in murders and other crimes but an alarming rise in others, such as armoured-car heists.
The contrasting figures pose a tough challenge for authorities as they try to lure tourists and foreign investors, especially ahead of the 2010 Soccer World Cup in South Africa.
"I have a real feeling that the growth in criminal activity will keep rising," said Siphiwe Nzimande, CEO of Business Against Crime, a privately funded group based in Johannesburg.
"If that continued to be the pattern over some years it means South Africa [would] become a less safe place to do business. We need to fix it."
http://www.mg.co.za/articlepage.aspx?area=/breaking_news/breaking_news__national/&articleid=285281
At last a good Judge with insight
Ngoepe: Poverty is no excuse
http://www.mweb.co.za/news/?p=top_article&i=277511
Judge wants death-penalty poll
http://www.mweb.co.za/news/?p=top_article&i=277588
Ngoepe: Poverty is no excuse
http://www.mweb.co.za/news/?p=top_article&i=277511
Judge wants death-penalty poll
http://www.mweb.co.za/news/?p=top_article&i=277588
These guys stuck it out in this country and got... What?
Please Mr Jstrike comment on this!
Nqakula's rosy future 'a farce'
http://www.mweb.co.za/news/?p=top_article&i=277590
Now what... Be proud? as there is nothing wrong here!
Please Mr Jstrike comment on this!
Nqakula's rosy future 'a farce'
http://www.mweb.co.za/news/?p=top_article&i=277590
Now what... Be proud? as there is nothing wrong here!
Vrotappel
Bulls fan
You should wake up. What did Judge Hattingh say about His Uselessness Charles Nqakula statement that crime was declining and the country's future was rosy:
Translated to something you can understand:
IT'S CRAP
Picking cherries
"the complex I live in ( a large complex about 100 units ) is patrolled every night by officers from the local police station - they are not told to do this, ( I know this as they often stop off for a coffee and a smoke at my place )"
Do you think that most complexes in South Africa are patrolled by police officers every night? Further, do you think that your police-patrolled complex is representative of how most South Africans live, in general?
Sounds like you're cherry-picking examples to push an agenda.
Elsewhere (http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showpost.php?p=660395&postcount=4) you said:
"the complex I live in ( a large complex about 100 units ) is patrolled every night by officers from the local police station - they are not told to do this, ( I know this as they often stop off for a coffee and a smoke at my place )"
Do you think that most complexes in South Africa are patrolled by police officers every night? Further, do you think that your police-patrolled complex is representative of how most South Africans live, in general?
Sounds like you're cherry-picking examples to push an agenda.
R1m in equipment stolen at Centurion mall
Armed gangs stormed three shops in a Centurion mall in the space of six hours, robbing them of cellphones and electronic equipment worth almost R1-million.
The first group of gunmen hit an electronics shop late on Wednesday night, holding a man hostage while they cleaned out the store.
And at about 5am on Tuesday morning a second gang used a sledgehammer to smash down the glass doors of two cellphone shops. A shoot-out between the gunmen and a security guard before they fled.
'The men had expensive tastes - they took all the top-of-the-range models'
This is not the first time the Reds Mall in Wierdapark has been the target of "professional" and "arrogant" gunmen, store managers said.
In the past three years, Ackermans, Clicks, Glomail, American Express and more recently the Mr Price clothing store have been targeted.
http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=1&click_id=15&art_id=vn20060929040613391C743590
Centurion
Pretoria - "Minister (Charles) Nqakula's words are farcical and I think it is high time for the people to claim their rights and demand action.
"All those nice-sounding words of his in the newspaper do not mean a thing," says Magda Visagie of Centurion after husband Joe, 52, was shot in the stomach in a robbery at their home on Wednesday evening.
http://www.news24.com/News24/South_Africa/News/0,,2-7-1442_2005491,00.html
Armed gangs stormed three shops in a Centurion mall in the space of six hours, robbing them of cellphones and electronic equipment worth almost R1-million.
The first group of gunmen hit an electronics shop late on Wednesday night, holding a man hostage while they cleaned out the store.
And at about 5am on Tuesday morning a second gang used a sledgehammer to smash down the glass doors of two cellphone shops. A shoot-out between the gunmen and a security guard before they fled.
'The men had expensive tastes - they took all the top-of-the-range models'
This is not the first time the Reds Mall in Wierdapark has been the target of "professional" and "arrogant" gunmen, store managers said.
In the past three years, Ackermans, Clicks, Glomail, American Express and more recently the Mr Price clothing store have been targeted.
http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=1&click_id=15&art_id=vn20060929040613391C743590
Centurion
Pretoria - "Minister (Charles) Nqakula's words are farcical and I think it is high time for the people to claim their rights and demand action.
"All those nice-sounding words of his in the newspaper do not mean a thing," says Magda Visagie of Centurion after husband Joe, 52, was shot in the stomach in a robbery at their home on Wednesday evening.
http://www.news24.com/News24/South_Africa/News/0,,2-7-1442_2005491,00.html
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Murdering B@stards! Same as Necklace murders of olden time! Looks like this is the new national Sport. HUNTING Humans for pleasure. White "Lions" gives a bigger thrill! What a Murdorous nation, No more Bl@@dy rainbow if you ask me just one huge black and thundering cloud as an emminent storm is breeding!
http://www.mweb.co.za/news/?p=top_article&i=278768
http://www.mweb.co.za/news/?p=top_article&i=278768
"Don't worry" says the minister
"Crime is going down" says the minister
I say put the minister in a stranded car on the N1 without police nearby or his bodyguards. If nothing happens put him in a fedility guards van as the "Cash in transit"
I wonder if he would feel all safe and cosy then in knowing (Some)crime goes down
"Crime is going down" says the minister
I say put the minister in a stranded car on the N1 without police nearby or his bodyguards. If nothing happens put him in a fedility guards van as the "Cash in transit"
I wonder if he would feel all safe and cosy then in knowing (Some)crime goes down
The problem with Stats is they can be manipulated.
We know first hand with Telkom as this is one of their most favourite tactics to skew the truth from Joe Public.
AFAIK The Police may only release a percentage as opposed to the actual figure which then is compared to a similar period from the previous year/s.
One would think they would release a year on year figure, but recently at the CPF (Community Police Forum) I noticed they used a 4 or 6 month comparison and not a full year.
This may not give any light on the total crime statistics as people understand a yearly figure as opposed to a quarterly or 6 monthly figure.
Also most crimes IMO are committed in winter, especially burglaries when the air is cold and the public are sleeping. Normally those nights when it is cold and a bit windy as the two combined almost screen the burglars as they try to gain access to a target property.
Another thing.
If The Police say that a crime like Rape is down 10% what does this actually mean?
IMO it means there were about 10% less "reported" Rapes in the year under review, but it fails to give the actual figure which may run into hundreds of thousands.
Recently I heard that only one in ten Rapes are reported?
I cannot remember the source now, but it would make one wonder as to the real problem in this country as Rape is comparative to assault as they are based on the same principle of violence. And disrespect for woman?
We live in a weird society and as Tibby mentioned in another thread there are serious social problems that may or may not have stemmed from before 1994?
Where does one draw the line?
When is the crime a reason of circumstance and when is the crime just malicious. At some stage in our History the people that live in this fine country must move forward and take responsibility for themselves.
People must understand that Rape, Murder, Robbery is not normal and should not be tolerated.
If we let our guard down now we may never regain Law and Order.
Although in some circumstances I think the line has been crossed already.
For instance the Authorities have lost control of the influx of illegal immigrants and a great proportion of our crime stems from these people?
I believe that the Robberies are committed by well organised gangs of foreigners with local assistance. These Robbers are living a fantasy life of stealing to survive as they have no notion of actually doing a days work.
Their sole modus operandi is to steal cash and whoever stands in their way may get taken out. They operate with high powered weapons like Ak47's which can penetrate a Policeman's Kevlar. Policeman are now also a statistic and I notice the Minister failed to mention how many Policeman were killed in the line of duty.
I am not sure if anyone has been to Futurex this week at the CTITC.
A sign of the times as to the Security Equipment on show.
We know first hand with Telkom as this is one of their most favourite tactics to skew the truth from Joe Public.
AFAIK The Police may only release a percentage as opposed to the actual figure which then is compared to a similar period from the previous year/s.
One would think they would release a year on year figure, but recently at the CPF (Community Police Forum) I noticed they used a 4 or 6 month comparison and not a full year.
This may not give any light on the total crime statistics as people understand a yearly figure as opposed to a quarterly or 6 monthly figure.
Also most crimes IMO are committed in winter, especially burglaries when the air is cold and the public are sleeping. Normally those nights when it is cold and a bit windy as the two combined almost screen the burglars as they try to gain access to a target property.
Another thing.
If The Police say that a crime like Rape is down 10% what does this actually mean?
IMO it means there were about 10% less "reported" Rapes in the year under review, but it fails to give the actual figure which may run into hundreds of thousands.
Recently I heard that only one in ten Rapes are reported?
I cannot remember the source now, but it would make one wonder as to the real problem in this country as Rape is comparative to assault as they are based on the same principle of violence. And disrespect for woman?
We live in a weird society and as Tibby mentioned in another thread there are serious social problems that may or may not have stemmed from before 1994?
Where does one draw the line?
When is the crime a reason of circumstance and when is the crime just malicious. At some stage in our History the people that live in this fine country must move forward and take responsibility for themselves.
People must understand that Rape, Murder, Robbery is not normal and should not be tolerated.
If we let our guard down now we may never regain Law and Order.
Although in some circumstances I think the line has been crossed already.
For instance the Authorities have lost control of the influx of illegal immigrants and a great proportion of our crime stems from these people?
I believe that the Robberies are committed by well organised gangs of foreigners with local assistance. These Robbers are living a fantasy life of stealing to survive as they have no notion of actually doing a days work.
Their sole modus operandi is to steal cash and whoever stands in their way may get taken out. They operate with high powered weapons like Ak47's which can penetrate a Policeman's Kevlar. Policeman are now also a statistic and I notice the Minister failed to mention how many Policeman were killed in the line of duty.
I am not sure if anyone has been to Futurex this week at the CTITC.
A sign of the times as to the Security Equipment on show.
RichardP
Banned
Tell me one thing... if someone is breaking in/stealing , who do you call ? .. I call ADT or the Community presinct I subscribe to. I dont think its EVER reported to the police. I think the police get involved only when someone is caught - NOT on incident.
So... the police stats are as usefull as Anti-Burn matches
So... the police stats are as usefull as Anti-Burn matches
Same here.
When my power-tools were stolen in August out of my Tool Shed I phoned ADT.
They stepped up patrols and all their staff were notified of the situation. The ADT Area Commander came to the property personally to survey the scene.
I did not call The Police, although one came into my business at a later date and I mentioned it to him and his prompt reply was to check Cash Convertors.
Not very helpful, but what else can they say?
Even if one found your items at Cash Smokkelaars, they are hardly going to just hand it over anyway.
You would need to contact The Police and they need to investigate. I am not sure?
Same here.
When my power-tools were stolen in August out of my Tool Shed I phoned ADT.
They stepped up patrols and all their staff were notified of the situation. The ADT Area Commander came to the property personally to survey the scene.
I did not call The Police, although one came into my business at a later date and I mentioned it to him and his prompt reply was to check Cash Convertors.
Not very helpful, but what else can they say?
Even if one found your items at Cash Smokkelaars, they are hardly going to just hand it over anyway.
You would need to contact The Police and they need to investigate. I am not sure?
As a SAPS member I am appalled that you don't at least report it. As a citizen I completely understand - and agree, private security is more efficient for this.
A little off topic. Last night I was on duty, and 90% of the calls we had were car accidents and the rest was burglaries. All the burglaries (mostly businesses - they're targeting shops in mini malls lately
) we went to, the security companies were already on the scene and doing their thing (which technnically is supposed to be our thing).Skeptik
Banned
Imagine the crime stats if EVERYONE reported EVERYTHING? The reason people don't is because the police develop an attitude when 'petty crime' is reported and it automatically gets screened out anyway. I had this experience in Joburg once after I was robbed one day and then mugged the next. The cops said they were on their way to a murder and two rapes so "do you really want to report this"? I've never gone back!