Crystal Web (NEW ISP) ADSL Feedback

[wingnut771]

Split into time-categories as well?

That would be the world's most complex ISP account to create, manage, bill, support, and market.

I mean low usage, ie gamers, emailers etc won't be using linespeed ever, so won't be shaped. Guys that do use linespeed will need to be on the next tier to a point then shaped, then their are the mika's that are on the....

 

[Hectic]

Thinking out loud, but how feasible is a Fusion type package where 00:00 - 07:00 data does not count against unshaped data and unshaped data is dropped to say 50GB for business hours use only?

Just asking. I'm not sure how much pt this would involve.

 

[slasherjdc]

Uh paul...amazon bought twitch
there goes all hope for local peering.

(google thing wasn't finalized, this however is, as they already started sending emails notifying subscribers)

 

[Crystal Web]

Thinking out loud, but how feasible is a Fusion type package where 00:00 - 07:00 data does not count against unshaped data and unshaped data is dropped to say 50GB for business hours use only?

Just asking. I'm not sure how much pt this would involve.

Would change everything. Costs to us, costs to you, the way the account operates, and the way we report on it internally and to you as a customer.

 

[wingnut771]

Thinking out loud, but how feasible is a Fusion type package where 00:00 - 07:00 data does not count against unshaped data and unshaped data is dropped to say 50GB for business hours use only?

Just asking. I'm not sure how much pt this would involve.

On the same wavelength there coastal buddy

 

[wingnut771]

Would change everything. Costs to us, costs to you, the way the account operates, and the way we report on it internally and to you as a customer.

Bummer, but that's the way it is folks, still a good deal

 

[Crystal Web]

I mean low usage, ie gamers, emailers etc won't be using linespeed ever, so won't be shaped. Guys that do use linespeed will need to be on the next tier to a point then shaped, then their are the mika's that are on the....

The shaper doesn't know your personality or usage patterns on an artificial intelligence basis like this.

It's not really the best solution either. As it is on our new packages, gamers aren't shaped for example.

Also, not all gamers are only gamers.

I don't see a future in our portfolio for this unless I'm still missing something about how you propose they work?

Personally, I'm happy with the range we have. I don't think complicating it into time-tiered and usage tiered structures will solve much. We just want some reductions in pricing so we can give you guys more.

 

[wingnut771]

The shaper doesn't know your personality or usage patterns on an artificial intelligence basis like this.

It's not really the best solution either. As it is on our new packages, gamers aren't shaped for example.

Also, not all gamers are only gamers.

I don't see a future in our portfolio for this unless I'm still missing something about how you propose they work?

Personally, I'm happy with the range we have. I don't think complicating it into time-tiered and usage tiered structures will solve much. We just want some reductions in pricing so we can give you guys more.

Maybe I'm a dumbass that doesn't know how systems work, but to me from past experiences, I knew I was a naughty boy when I was downloading and my speed was reduced (after a while) and took it as a sign to cool it. Low usage guys (gaming but no steaming, not streaming) would never get to that stage, guys that that did, would need to be on the next tier which would allow more "time" to linespeed and so on.

Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't this what bandwidth management is all about, is controlling the people that linespeed?

 

[Crystal Web]

Maybe I'm a dumbass that doesn't know how systems work, but to me from past experiences, I knew I was a naughty boy when I was downloading and my speed was reduced (after a while) and took it as a sign to cool it. Low usage guys (gaming but no steaming, not streaming) would never get to that stage, guys that that did, would need to be on the next tier which would allow more "time" to linespeed and so on.

Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't this what bandwidth management is all about, is controlling the people that linespeed?

But that's kinda what we've done. Created tiered levels of access now, with pricing and flexibility to move between them.

The entry stays in lower tier bandwidth, Fusion operates in both priority tiers, and Unshaped only in primary tier.

To be honest, you'd need to send me your exact specs for the shaping policy you're proposing for me to really comment further. Shaping happens in a number of different ways, so I'd need to know the mechanisms you're proposing for each protocol rather than just three tiers of bandwidth and all protocols fight for it - that would result in a terrible network.

 

[wingnut771]

But that's kinda what we've done. Created tiered levels of access now, with pricing and flexibility to move between them.

The entry stays in lower tier bandwidth, Fusion operates in both priority tiers, and Unshaped only in primary tier.

To be honest, you'd need to send me your exact specs for the shaping policy you're proposing for me to really comment further. Shaping happens in a number of different ways, so I'd need to know the mechanisms you're proposing for each protocol rather than just three tiers of bandwidth and all protocols fight for it - that would result in a terrible network.

Don't worry about shaping, that uses too many resources, I'm talking about having a restricted amount during office (peak) hours (limiting me hammering my line over the month) then more relaxed (off-peak).

PM/email me for my current usage stats.

 

[wingnut771]

But that's kinda what we've done. Created tiered levels of access now, with pricing and flexibility to move between them.

The entry stays in lower tier bandwidth, Fusion operates in both priority tiers, and Unshaped only in primary tier.

To be honest, you'd need to send me your exact specs for the shaping policy you're proposing for me to really comment further. Shaping happens in a number of different ways, so I'd need to know the mechanisms you're proposing for each protocol rather than just three tiers of bandwidth and all protocols fight for it - that would result in a terrible network.

I'm sorry if I'm putting a spanner in the works, I apologise, what you have proposed is still awesome, I'm merely offering a wider viewpoint

 

[Crystal Web]

I'm sorry if I'm putting a spanner in the works, I apologise, what you have proposed is still awesome, I'm merely offering a wider viewpoint

No problems. Appreciated.

I just don't want to land up in a midnight lecture on how shaping works.

Your proposal from what I can make out, would require the purchasing of separate capacity entirely to run, and recreating an entirely new shaping policy for every protocol based on some really complex algos to get right and to cost out properly.

Shaping is primarily a network management process, followed afterwards by a pricing process based on the products you wish to market, based on cost models you've built, and financial forecasts for a very specific business case, that's based on research and market forecasts.

Changing shaping is a massive endeavour.

 

[wingnut771]

No problems. Appreciated.

I just don't want to land up in a midnight lecture on how shaping works.

Your proposal from what I can make out, would require the purchasing of separate capacity entirely to run, and recreating an entirely new shaping policy for every protocol based on some really complex algos to get right and to cost out properly.

Shaping is primarily a network management process, followed afterwards by a pricing process based on the products you wish to market, based on cost models you've built, and financial forecasts for a very specific business case, that's based on research and market forecasts.

Changing shaping is a massive endeavour.

What you just said their gave me a massive headache and I didn't even finish the second paragraph.

As you were soldier!

 

[slvR]

biltong

 

[wingnut771]

biltong

over the last week I've had some pommies over from the UK on an installation, they couldn't get enough of the stuff

 

[saa044]

Just a heads up for People with Mikrotik and q trees. Set your priorities right on the RB. My main category is priority 5 and sub categories priority 1 where the wife's was main category priority 8 and sub categories priority 5. So when I was busy downloading the crew this morning they could not open a YouTube clip thus the RB gave all the bandwidth to me instead of taking some of mine and releasing it to them. Got 508KB/s on my 4Mbps line btw, never achieved that with any other ISP, even on capped accounts.

http://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=7204

 

[ToxicBunny]

My toy is hiding in Kempton Park now... w00t..


Oh, and fanks for the email, received loud and clear, and I do like the Fusion offering..

 

[Sinbad]

Mine's being delivered today

 

[ToxicBunny]

Mine's being delivered today

Screw you hippy..

Then again, my big budget breaker is being installed today... so at least i can see where some of my non-existent money is going.

 

[nand]

So what do you guys use for a modem with the RB?