Crystal Web (NEW ISP) ADSL Feedback

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I'd have to disagree with you on that one. I've always used HTTP or HTTPS as it's more secure and safer in my eyes then P2P and NNTP. With HTTP/S you are guaranteed speeds as its coming from specific/dedicated server.

Not once have i used it as an excuse for circumventing shaping.
I didn't say everybody does - there are plenty of legitimate reasons to use HTTP in the manner which you are
This is why I get highly pissed off if somebody says that a person is "abusing" the network by virtue of a particular usage behaviour. If anything the usage that is to circumvent shaping is an indicator of problems in the industry.
 
I didn't say everybody does - there are plenty of legitimate reasons to use HTTP in the manner which you are
This is why I get highly pissed off if somebody says that a person is "abusing" the network by virtue of a particular usage behaviour. If anything the usage that is to circumvent shaping is an indicator of problems in the industry.

Agreed. If everyone just played by the rules we would be fine, but instead people try to download the internet (and none of them have the time to view it all so I don't know what the hell they are doing anyway) which makes it bad for the rest of us.
 
So in essence you use it to circumvent P2P and NNTP?
Not necessarily - there are thousands of reasons why HTTP traffic is to be used, including testing purposes

The point is that the rise in HTTP downloads (on a global scale) is related to circumvention in like manner to the rise in the quantity of NNTP traffic was related to binary transfers rather than the original intended use.

BUT this is the Internet, stuff seldom remains used according to its original intended design and that isn't a bad thing. What it does sometimes mean is that things can go off key for a bit while systems adapt.
 
Raaaaaaaait - ok so , I'm in PE, so does that mean I fall under CTN and my IP stays on 105.x.x.x ????
 
looks to me like some of the routing changes may be filtering down ....
 
OK, we've taken your feedback on board, and we're going to sit down and see what we can do to prevent the http shaping side of things. We agree it's not ideal, and not what we'd want to be doing either. Let's see if we can prevent this as much as possible then. We'll update once we've made a call on it shortly. Thanks for the feedback, all.
 
Not necessarily - there are thousands of reasons why HTTP traffic is to be used, including testing purposes

The point is that the rise in HTTP downloads (on a global scale) is related to circumvention in like manner to the rise in the quantity of NNTP traffic was related to binary transfers rather than the original intended use.

BUT this is the Internet, stuff seldom remains used according to its original intended design and that isn't a bad thing. What it does sometimes mean is that things can go off key for a bit while systems adapt.
i'm not angry at all at your http shaping i realize this is beta and you plan to make changes.....just warning you post launch exactly what people will think
getting shaped from excessive downloading =/= getting shaped because 1% of users have a secret method to disguise p2p as http.
one is understandable the other is just......



Also note that because a number of p2p clients fake the packets to look like http we have had to put in place a policy to shape http downloads if p2p and http file transfers are detected during the day at the same time. This can and does affect http download speeds.
even if its true it will and always will sounds exactly like an excuse(even though we know your telling the truth).
At least call it what it is. ie "heavy downloaders are shaped on everything except streaming during business hours"

because that's basically what it becomes when a single piece of p2p touches the network(not all p2p is torrents aka acestream,steam ,many game downloaders like blizzard(yes u can turn it off doesn't mean the average user knows how some are children) and if all of that flags it you will receive massive complaints and people will start accusing you of "openweb"ing us(that should become a verb lol)

if you are going to keep that at least find a way to differentiate(dont know if possible) to see if the downloads are from acestream/steam/blizzard.

right now it sounds like at first there was none. then there was p2p, shortly followed by nntp, then 2 weeks later was http.

for instance if someone finds out how to make http look like streaming are you going to shape that too :/
 
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Pretty sure my Netflix is streaming over http? ;-)
 
Pretty sure my Netflix is streaming over http? ;-)

Netflix is prioritised by default. We're only referring to http downloads of large files. And we're reconsidering this based on the feedback.
 
Maybe have a white list of sources that are prioritised and have anything not within that list shaped during the day?
 
The eternal optimist in me was really hoping that this would be sorted out by this evening when I got home. I powered down my router for over 30 minutes, but there is no good news to report.

I am still waiting to be on the new system. My latency is still rubbish. I am still waiting for this promise to be fulfilled from 4 days ago:
But we will ensure that you have a decent connection if things aren't resolved by tomorrow.

500ms in an MMO is not really playable. When doing a veteran dungeon last night with tons of NPCs in it, I had to run away from the fighting because my ping climbed to 3000ms! How I didn't disconnect, I don't know. Now I sit another night, waiting (less patiently) for this to be resolved. Sure, I know these things take time, but don't promise me timely fixes and then don't pull through.

I support you guys 100% in your endeavor. I know it's tough to please all the people, all the time. All I have is promises and in my heart I know once it is sorted you guys will be the best damn ISP out there. But promises after promises after promises have never had a good resolution in my life.
 
when will the shaping end today because i seem to be throttled down to 100kb/s on everything except youtube and hulu (don't have netflix can't test.....crunchyroll (legal anime streaming site) is shaped too , with how little is prioritized feels like throttling more than shaping(aka everything other than netflix hulu youtube is shaped to hell.... :( ).....the whole day to add not a single hour wasnt shaped....

Either that or you "fix" broke the internet...hell this is worse than before you got the new config
 
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