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I think Valve should go further than just having it in CS2. There should be a notification in Steam that says we've detected your monitor is set to 60Hz but it supports xHz.

So many people buy the monitors and think it just works out of the box.
 
Fulcrum29 said:
Where do they recommend V-sync? G-Sync and FreeSync I can understand, but V-sync? Just from theorizing I can't see the benefit thereof versus improved latencies and polling rates. Unless of course you aren't bottle necked by the refresh rate. For casual play 144Hz should be enough, but for competitive play you need to eliminate the lowest of the bottlenecks. The performance gained, the difference is negligible, but everything adds up. If there is a 1v1, and 10ms can make the difference between winning or losing... I will take it.

This said, professional players train for winning. For ordinary players, cutting back on features won't magically make you a better player.
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I tried this out in some casual last night - it is smooth like they promised but it feels floaty and a little imprecise maybe. Like I can still hit shots but it feels less snappy than the 450fps (with frame drops) I'm used to (it locks itself to 140Hz which is probably too big a gap in terms of how it affects feel).

HWINFO says my CPU \ GPU were using 50W \ 120W which is cool and all but not like super-useful if you've already under-volted \ power-limited them to be more efficient anyway.

I can't see competitive players making that switch but people new to gaming might - if it's the only "feel" they've ever had with nothing to compare it to, then I can see it being the way. Might even let people turn on more eye-candy since there's more headroom now.
 
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Ran some quick tests at the same time on that benchmark map (CS benchmarks always give much better results than actually playing the game in my experience). It does what it says - the frametimes are incredibly stable).
 
So... I am going to buy a VXE R1 Pro or the Pro Max, pending. I have now seen enough long-term reviews (up to 5-6 months) to be convinced.

Anyhow, I wanted to buy it on Wootware, but they don't sell the 4k dongle. Eh, so, AliExpress it is. Do I need 4k, lol, no. Do I want it, yes. The bundle is not expensive.

I see there is talk that Cooler Master might either exit the gaming peripheral market or downsize. It is sad to see. They were on the right track. Had good mice, made a good keyboard, had 'studio-grade' stereo headsets. I hope it is not true. Who knows, maybe the team will start their own brand /cough it is kinda the trend now.

The MM712 is still good, and the MM731 was the G703 Superlight that Logitech didn't want to make.

Logitech announced this though:


:ROFL:

Why not a G305 Superlight?
 
Fulcrum29 said:
So... I am going to buy a VXE R1 Pro or the Pro Max, pending. I have now seen enough long-term reviews (up to 5-6 months) to be convinced.

Anyhow, I wanted to buy it on Wootware, but they don't sell the 4k dongle. Eh, so, AliExpress it is. Do I need 4k, lol, no. Do I want it, yes. The bundle is not expensive.

I see there is talk that Cooler Master might either exit the gaming peripheral market or downsize. It is sad to see. They were on the right track. Had good mice, made a good keyboard, had 'studio-grade' stereo headsets. I hope it is not true. Who knows, maybe the team will start their own brand /cough it is kinda the trend now.

The MM712 is still good, and the MM731 was the G703 Superlight that Logitech didn't want to make.

Logitech announced this though:


:ROFL:

Why not a G305 Superlight?
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Is the dongle a receiver? But optional? What does it do?
 
Neoprod said:
Google says 4Khz...noob. Made me type extra in this weather.

Smh.
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Yes, it is this:

vgnlab.com

VGN Dragonfly 4K Wireless Dongle

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For compatibility, it would support ATK, VXE and VGN mice. All in the same stable, but not all the same.

ATK:

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VXE:

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VGN:

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Their ATK lineup already has the 3950 Ultra sensor which can do 8K. Now, I am not in the mind that any normal person needs a better sensor than the PAW 3370, I mean the PMW3366 was already good, but hey, boundaries are pushed.

Some people believe that pushing the polling rate above 2K on wireless is a blessing. Yeah, it is said to be smooth, but I won't know. Funny, I have an old ROG SPATHA which could do 2K on wired when people were arguing that lower than 1K polling rates were arguably better than 1K.

How the times have changed. Now all people speak about is having magnetic switches (without actually having it) and debounce... I am either getting old, or marketing buzz is getting better.
 
CS is under a state of disarray after Razer rolled out Snap Tap. Null binds have been a controversial issue, considered cheating and banned by some leagues though allowed in casual play. It is an old issue, and a lot of players have null binds in their autoexec. After Razer, and then Wooting (who released SOCD) made "null binds" part of their keyboard ecosystem. A lot of questions and criticism has been raised.

FACEIT took the decision a week or so ago to allow, or otherwise confirm, null binds to level the playing field with those having the hardware for Snap Tap or SOCD.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1816840260984135707

Now it is outlawed by FACEIT:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1817926901689917525

This for me is a major issue. I have never cheated in CS, and have only ever used binds which are allowed by Valve. Null binds break the mechanics of the game; it is cheating in my view.

I have to ask why then, is it only allowed on hardware level? It is a different implementation thereof, but the end goal is the same. Valve can't beat software cheats, how will they address this at a hardware level (where it is still a software layer)? Valve needs to do something, and never communicating with the public will be bad for their casual base. Snap Tap is already used at a competitive level...

Valve should definitely consider removing spread and reducing recoil. The situation is simple now: it is pay to win.

It is just bad, either give to everyone or don't have it at all.
 
I actually played a premier match last night. I didn't really enjoy it but I played...
 
Anyone have success joining a Dust2 DM lobby (Free for all) without getting kicked by the farm bots?
I am just getting them everywhere. 4 to 5 is standing spinning around with a knife out and the rest just run in reverse all over to them and get killed.
 
The VXE mice are pretty nice. It seems to be selling like hotcakes over at Wootware though. The R1 Pro is sold out. I can kinda see how it competes with $100 plus mice. Top-end gaming companies will need to do something to bring their costs down.

It does not rival Razer, Logitech, VAXEE, ZOWIE, etc, but it is better value.

I also got a Cooler Master MM712 and MM731, and I like the MM731. Sad that both these mice had issues at launch.

When you have companies like Asus making $500 keyboards, posting like this:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1820444709011235123

Who's upgrading ASAP?
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It is them and their bot echo chamber. Against whom are they competing? Keychron, lol. A 'hacking' keyboard is better priced.
 
Fulcrum29 said:
The VXE mice are pretty nice. It seems to be selling like hotcakes over at Wootware though. The R1 Pro is sold out. I can kinda see how it competes with $100 plus mice. Top-end gaming companies will need to do something to bring their costs down.

It does not rival Razer, Logitech, VAXEE, ZOWIE, etc, but it is better value.

I also got a Cooler Master MM712 and MM731, and I like the MM731. Sad that both these mice had issues at launch.

When you have companies like Asus making $500 keyboards, posting like this:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1820444709011235123



It is them and their bot echo chamber. Against whom are they competing? Keychron, lol. A 'hacking' keyboard is better priced.
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Does it have anything like Wooting's SOCD / Razer's Snap Tap?

I see CS people going apoplectic on Youtube about those features.
 
Neoprod said:
Does it have anything like Wooting's SOCD / Razer's Snap Tap?
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Nope. It is more than double the price. Though I don't know where the new Wooting 80HE will be priced at. The Founder campaign has it at $199,99 I think.

Neoprod said:
I see CS people going apoplectic on Youtube about those features.
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It is being normalised. Sad really, but the developers will have to adapt. They can't sit on their asses and allow hardware to run amok with the meta.

For pro's I don't see it changing their game much, but it will give low to mid-tier players an advantage.
 
PsychotikGaming said:
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I don't mind things like Wooting's SOCD and Razer's Snap Tap, but then there needs to be an equaliser. It is hardware that is P2W. They don't want you to have null binds, but they will allow you to have SOCD or Snap Tap.

It is almost like the hardware makers are controlling the stage ;)

Optimum did two videos on it:



I would buy those keyboards too; it is allowed, and will use any tool to my disposal to give me an edge over my opponents. The question is whether the user has the ability to leverage those components to their advantage. Most tools available on the market have a learning and adaptation curve, and won't necessarily make you a better player. SOCD and Snap Tap remove the curves linked to related skill inputs, and it's only up to the user to change their habit to adopt. For those who can't buy into it, they will be at a disadvantage. Fair play is removed.

High-level players can already execute such skill without SOCD and Snap Tap, but they learned it and adapted to the conditions on their hardware.

In my view, games impacted by this will need to make some changes, they would need to adapt their mechanics to mitigate things like SOCD and Snap Tap. Soon we will have monitors with 'AI' on the market which could give visual sound queues. It is not an accessibility perk. In competitive play, not all people are equal, we play to get better to overcome our opponents.
 
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