DA at it again

Is English your second langauge? I only ask because you don't seem to know what "and" means.

"and" means that both conditions must be satisfied.

In this case people are only included in this definition if they fulfil both conditions (i.e. they both do not pay taxes and they contribute little or nothing to this country). If he had meant that the fulfilment of only a single condition was required the poster would have user the word "or" (i.e. "people who pay no tax or contribute little to nothing to this country" ).

Are you sure you fully understand the usage of the word "and"?

Here is a perfect example of the difference in usage:

"Reply in English and Afrikaans"
This means that your reply must be in both languages. Neither one may be excluded.

"Reply in English or Afrikaans"
This means that you may reply in either language. One language may be excluded.
 
"and" means that both conditions must be satisfied.

In this case people are only included in this definition if they fulfil both conditions (i.e. they both do not pay taxes and they contribute little or nothing to this country). If he had meant that the fulfilment of only a single condition was required the poster would have user the word "or" (i.e. "people who pay no tax or contribute little to nothing to this country" ).

Are you sure you fully understand the usage of the word "and"?

Here is a perfect example of the difference in usage:

"Reply in English and Afrikaans"
This means that your reply must be in both languages. Neither one may be excluded.

"Reply in English or Afrikaans"
This means that you may reply in either language. One language may be excluded.

Read it again, he is saying non tax payers are contributing little or nothing to the country.
 
Read it again, he is saying non tax payers are contributing little or nothing to the country.

No he isn't. He is saying that people who don't pay tax and who contribute little to nothing to this country are the ones that complain the most.

People who are being referenced in that statement need to (A) not be paying taxes and (B) be contributing little to nothing to this country. Those are the two conditions. He is saying that those people (those who satisfy both condition A and condition B) are the ones that tend to complain the most.

If he had meant to say that those who pay no taxes contribute little to the country then he shouldn't have used the word "and" he should have said this:
"Those who don't pay taxes contribute little to nothing to this country. They are the ones that complain the most."

Next time you intend to insult someone's comprehension of the English language I suggest you first take a second look at what you are reading to ensure that you are correct.
 
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people buy goods. goods buying people pay VAT. people pay tax.

Aye but the great thing about VAT is that it taxes consumption and not production. Taxing production seems stupid and taxing in a fashion in which your tax percentage rises as your productin rises seems even more stupid. You reward for producing more is to be punished harder? Why? Surely VAT is a better way to tax people?
 
Aye but the great thing about VAT is that it taxes consumption and not production. Taxing production seems stupid and taxing in a fashion in which your tax percentage rises as your productin rises seems even more stupid. You reward for producing more is to be punished harder? Why? Surely VAT is a better way to tax people?

Except for the non-productive consumers.
 
Except for the non-productive consumers.

They get taxed the same as everybody else. Seems fair to me. Just make sure that things like bread and other items essential for survival are not VATed into oblivion.

I really think a consumption-based tax system is fairer.
 
They get taxed the same as everybody else. Seems fair to me. Just make sure that things like bread and other items essential for survival are not VATed into oblivion.

I really think a consumption-based tax system is fairer.

I agree 100%, I would also go so far as to say that there should be no exemptions/zero rated stuff, keep the rate as flat as possible, and as simple to administer as possible.
 
What idiots don't realise is that the money spent on Cape Town stadium, for example, was either Cape Town's or it was someone else's. If the city refused to build a stadium, the government would not have given Cape Town the money anyway and said we should use it for something else. That is completely misinformed thinking. Therefore, the logical decision was to accept the money government was offering.

If people have an issue, they should be complaining to the national government about it, not local government. I mean seriously, if someone is waving billions of Rand at you asking you to spend it on a brand new stadium, transport infrastructure and the like, or to get nothing, what is the logical step to take?

Furthermore, this whole anti-DA thing is completely idiotic, as the numbers speak for themselves. The City of Cape Town is the highest-rated municipality in the country. When the DA first came into power the city had a deficit of BILLIONS. They have now turned that around to a surplus, and not only that, but they've helped revive the inner city. The Western Cape is also the only province in the country where unemployment is decreasing as opposed to increasing. Housing delivery far exceeds that of the national average, yet somehow they're anti-poor. They're in the process of building two massive hospitals in Khayelitsha and Mitchell's Plain, yet they're supposedly anti-poor. Crime in the former township has decreased by 60% in recent years thanks to their efforts, but no, they're anti-poor. Despite residents demanding unenclosed toilets so that they could build around them as additions to homes, and the subsequent toy-out-of-cot-throwing, they offered to enclose them, but no, they're anti-poor.

Simply put, anyone complaining simply knows nothing. Perhaps they should take a little trip East to our neighbouring province and enjoy the "fruits" of the ANC's "hard labour." Then we'll see.
 
Simply put, anyone complaining simply knows nothing. Perhaps they should take a little trip East to our neighbouring province and enjoy the "fruits" of the ANC's "hard labour." Then we'll see.

Agreed and especially with the quoted portion!!!!
 
Aye but the great thing about VAT is that it taxes consumption and not production. Taxing production seems stupid and taxing in a fashion in which your tax percentage rises as your productin rises seems even more stupid. You reward for producing more is to be punished harder? Why? Surely VAT is a better way to tax people?

As far as I know small businesses can offset their tax. Instead of paying tax to government, they can use that amount to e.g buy a business laptop, and reduce their tax.
 
Blikkiesdorp was set up as temporary emergency housing in 2008 and has grown to nearly more than 1 500 structures with electricity and communal toilets and water taps.

Wow sounds horrific.

For free, when they were on the streets. Very horrific. OP needs to think a little more before posting.
 
As far as I know small businesses can offset their tax. Instead of paying tax to government, they can use that amount to e.g buy a business laptop, and reduce their tax.

Small business buys a laptop and pays VAT. VAT collected by laptop vendor and forwarded to government (simply). Small business can claim an input VAT credit if the laptop is used in the production of income. So government sort of gives VAT back.

Buying the laptop is an expense. At the end of the year Income less Expenses is taxed. Generally, if the expense is an operating expense is is dealt with in the current year and is on the income statement. If it is for capital expenditure it goes onto the balance sheet and will depreciate over a few years - the annual depreciation is then seen as an 'expense'.

You can't really buy stuff with the 'tax' money but expenditure will lower your profit and result in less tax being paid. The receiver gets a bit funny if the business never makes a profit.
 
As far as I know small businesses can offset their tax. Instead of paying tax to government, they can use that amount to e.g buy a business laptop, and reduce their tax.

Businesses claim the vat they pay against the vat they collect and pay the difference to revenue.
 
What pisses me off more then anything in this world is people who earn salaries in this country of over R150 000 a year and thinking they are hard done by because they have to pay tax and some poor schmuck who earns if he is lucky, R10 000 a year, is better off then them because he is exempt. Please explain to me how if you earn 25 to 30 times what these people do after your taxes that person is getting a better deal out of life?
 
Why must all my money go to building other peoples houses, while when i want to buy one, i've got to fork out hundreds of thousands of magical rands which just happened to fall out of the air for tax? can't these people plan their families better?

Oh please, I know someone who is in his late 50's, he has worked as a gardener all his life. He has a wife and grown up children but these children never send him anything and they are all working. He sacrificed a lot for his children and he never sees them. He has never had an education of course, all he knows is the garden and as old as he is he works hard to maintain the gardens he works in. He probably will never own his own home, has never even driven a car and what he earns barely covers the food for him and his wife. Yip, you are really hard done by.
 
What pisses me off more then anything in this world is people who earn salaries in this country of over R150 000 a year and thinking they are hard done by because they have to pay tax and some poor schmuck who earns if he is lucky, R10 000 a year, is better off then them because he is exempt. Please explain to me how if you earn 25 to 30 times what these people do after your taxes that person is getting a better deal out of life?

You're still on this? Seriously? Even after the whole English comprehension mess you threw yourself into yesterday?

Nobody is saying this. You're the only one saying this.

All we're saying is that the tax system should be more evenly spread. We should not be punishing increased production with higher taxes.
 
Oh please, I know someone who is in his late 50's, he has worked as a gardener all his life. He has a wife and grown up children but these children never send him anything and they are all working. He sacrificed a lot for his children and he never sees them. He has never had an education of course, all he knows is the garden and as old as he is he works hard to maintain the gardens he works in. He probably will never own his own home, has never even driven a car and what he earns barely covers the food for him and his wife. Yip, you are really hard done by.

You may think this is cold-hearted because you sound like a bit of a socialist but: "Why is this my problem?"
 
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R150 000 a year is not that much :)

Maybe one day when your mom has organised you a jobbie, and you pay your own way and pay taxes you'll understand.

Or maybe those okes down the road will klap some sense into you.

I know R150 000 is not that much, but it is more then a lot of people are earning. A large percentage of people earn minimum wage which works out to about R11000 a year. I said R150 000 because it is an average middle class income, and because after R140 000 you are in the tax bracket of above 25%
Please stop acting like a 2 year old, you have no idea how much my income is.
 
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