Data usage stats: Smartphones vs dongles

Just about every one of my family and friends went over to 8ta. I am still locked into a VC contract. If we look at the posts on this forum alone, one can easily come to some conclusions.
Don't you find it hugely ironic that you (and others) attacked the myBB article and the numbers quoted by the Vodacom CEO as not being 100% accurate, yet you glibly make wild statements that you then cannot back up yourself. :rolleyes:
 
This is the reason that we get the official numbers from operators. Regarding 8ta – from my experience in the past it is likely that Vodacom signed up more subscribers on a single data bundle size than what 8ta signed up across their total data offerings over the same period.
Could well be. As an example, Vodacom signed up more customers with its Mofaya promo than a certain network's total base in their first year of running a 3G network.
 
There's no point in arguing over how many customers signed up during the year. All I know is that I've got the best 3G deal with 8ta. 10GB for R199. Most of my friends don't even know about this deal. So it just shows that not many people are up to date with data prices in SA. People who don't keep up to date with prices end up paying more.
 
There's no point in arguing over how many customers signed up during the year. All I know is that I've got the best 3G deal with 8ta. 10GB for R199. [highlight]Most of my friends don't even know about this deal. So it just shows that not many people are up to date with data prices in SA.[/highlight] People who don't keep up to date with prices end up paying more.

That is not a valid conclusion unless you can prove that more than 50% of the entire population of South Africa (even when limited to citizens that were born in SA) regard you as one of their friends.

It is not logical to use your limited number of friends as the basis for extrapolating their 8ta broadband ignorance to the entire population of SA (even if it happens to be true).
 
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Just about every one of my family and friends went over to 8ta. I am still locked into a VC contract. If we look at the posts on this forum alone, one can easily come to some conclusions.
Mybroadband is a very bad sample set for making these kind of extrapolations. We have the highest density of highly volatile churners and early adopters.

There is no doubt that the new entrants made a noise in the market but I would guess that they had far less impact on the numbers than they'd like us to think.

Looking round my office we have a typical mix of techies and MyBB types. Not a single one of them cancelled a contract due to the specials. A few picked up a 2nd, 3rd or even 10th SIM to use the deals but these have all been ditched as soon as they ran out.

I don't know anyone in my family that churned as a result of the specials.

From a personal perspective - I just can't be bothered to spend my time chasing after every single new deal that comes along and I think that there are many others like me.
 
That is not a valid conclusion unless you can prove that more than 50% of the entire population of South Africa (even when limited to citizens that were born in SA) regard you as one of their friends.

It is not logical to use your limited number of friends as the basis for extrapolating their 8ta broadband ignorance to the entire population of SA (even if it happens to be true).

Well it's not logical for people to choose the more expensive provider. So from that logic people don't know about the better deals.
 
Well it's not logical for people to choose the more expensive provider. So from that logic people don't know about the better deals.

Disregarding the very likely (but as yet unproven) possibility that there are very few people on this planet who do actually think logically all the time, I will agree insofar as it is equally illogical to sign a 24 month contract with Telkom even when it involves 10GB every month for R199.
 
Well it's not logical for people to choose the more expensive provider. So from that logic people don't know about the better deals.

People make decisions based on the information at hand.
 
Geez, did you guys all get out the wrong side this morning? Or has it become such a habit to attack anything posted by myBB or quoted by the networks that you don't bother to read the articles properly? :rolleyes:

The article clearly states different numbers; the devices, the data per device and the total data per device type. And all the numbers quoted are in line.

@LeonP: You're right, the ratio is actually 64.8446:35.1554 and not the wildly inaccurate 60:40 Pieter used while chatting informally over a few drinks with a couple of people.

I understand you talk like that, but most sane people would round to a logical number for the sake of simplicity.

Pieter was also wrong on the 80:20 starment, BTW. It was, in fact, 80.1282:19.8718.

I'll sort him out and explain myBB members always quote factual numbers (and only factual numbers, they never speculate or make assumptions) down to the 5th decimal and would never make statements not supported by fully audited numbers.

Talk about childish...

Anyway, the article is WRONG:

Over the last twelve months the data consumed by smartphones increased tenfold on the Vodacom network while data used by dongles only showed moderate growth.

and just 2 paragraphs later:

Smartphone data usage in comparison grew by 100% over the same period – up from 40MB per month to the current 80MB per month.

Now rpm, I don't know where you learnt your math, and I don't care if these numbers are "official" numbers from the network, tenfold and 100% is NOT the same thing. A "tenfold" increase means an increase by a factor of 10. A "100% growth" means an increase by a factor of 2. Big, big difference.

And then we've got Mr Jannie "The Childish" van Zyl coming with snide comments of 5 decimal places? :wtf: This is the level of maturity of people in positions of power at Vodacom? Small wonder why they have to spend so many millions of Rands on advertising.

@rpm: please fix the article. It's making you and mBB look bad.

@Jannie: delete your silly post. It's making you look like a total - wait, I need to watch my language, but I think (I hope) you get the point.
 
Also, not mentioned is that the abuse of the Blackberry network by a few, as stated by Uys contributed to at least 80% of their bandwidth on smart phones until now. The average mb/per user on smart phones is therefore not indicative of real usage for the average user.

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And then we've got Mr Jannie "The Childish" van Zyl coming with snide comments of 5 decimal places? :wtf: This is the level of maturity of people in positions of power at Vodacom? Small wonder why they have to spend so many millions of Rands on advertising.

@Jannie: delete your silly post. It's making you look like a total - wait, I need to watch my language, but I think (I hope) you get the point.

Maybe read the article and the few opening posts again.

Someone above attacked myBB and Pieter for quoting a ballpark figure of 60/40 instead of a more (but not quite) accurate 65/35.

I pointed out the irony (and childishness) of attacking others for using ballpark figures but then not using accurate numbers yourself by extrapolating the ratio to the Nth-degree.

Gettit?

While on the topic and what mostly triggered my response, something that really gets my goat with comments on articles on this board is this tendency of forumites to try and out-do each other by showing their 'coolness' in attacking anything written and/or quoted. I find this a new(ish) tendency on myBB and I suspect is a function of the average age drop we saw in data consumers. For sure in the early days this was not seen.

While questioning anything published and especially numbers quoted is good, to do so without actually reading the article (to understand the difference between handset/modem numbers and the ratio of data consumed, for example) or doing a few elementary calculations to check the facts only shows lack of education.

Again, read the article and the first bunch of (quite aggressive) posts and you'll see the statements made by Pieter and Rudolph around the numbers being wrong boils down to people not reading the article in the first place. Specifically around the 60/40 issue.

While I'm rambling, notice another tendency on this forum:

1. Article is written by myBB.
2. First post is either positive or negative.
3. Subsequent posts tend to follow first post and not the actual article content.

This thread is a case in point. The first few posts attacked the author and this then set the tone for the thread. Everyone is now trying to out-do the previous poster. But it seem none of them actually went back to the article to make sure the first poster was correct in the first place.

We've even had forumites openly admit they don't see the need to read the articles but feel justified in giving their two cents.
 
Maybe read the article and the few opening posts again.

Someone above attacked myBB and Pieter for quoting a ballpark figure of 60/40 instead of a more (but not quite) accurate 65/35.

As you wish:

@RPM, it would be advisable to check numbers, especially when they come from cellular providers. Clearly Jannie didn't check Pieter's numbers, or he would have corrected them:
  1. A "ten-fold" increase in data means exactly that, 10x which is 1000% and not 100%. (The term "two-fold" is used correctly later with two factors).
  2. The ratio of dongle/smartphone data usage on the Vodacom network is 65/35 (rounded) and not 60/40.
  3. Assuming the 80/20 ratio for the previous year was calculated correctly, it means there were around 3.1 million smartphones on Vodacom' network as well as the 1 million dongles. (This number seems to correspond roughly with a Moneweb article from September 2010.) How does this relate to the 1.138 million "Data connectivity customers" Vodacom had at the end of March 2010 (Vodacom's annual report) :erm: A smartphone without data connectivity is (just) a phone.

Oh my word! And it's post number 3 in the thread. The very first point raised by post number 3. Wow. Just absolutely wow!

I pointed out the irony (and childishness) of attacking others for using ballpark figures but then not using accurate numbers yourself by extrapolating the ratio to the Nth-degree.

And at the same time you arrogantly ignore the most glaring mistake in the article which effectively equates "tenfold" and 100%, which, since you obviously still don't get it, I'll clearly state for your benefit: is not the same!

Furthermore, if we're using the percentage form, then 65% and 60% differ by ZERO decimal places. My nephew in primary school knows this. How you got to FIVE decimal places the normal people among us will never know.


Clearly a question you should be asking yourself.

While on the topic and what mostly triggered my response, something that really gets my goat with comments on articles on this board is this tendency of forumites to try and out-do each other by showing their 'coolness' in attacking anything written and/or quoted. I find this a new(ish) tendency on myBB and I suspect is a function of the average age drop we saw in data consumers. For sure in the early days this was not seen.

Coolness? I guess the thought never crossed your mind that perhaps the readers are merely correcting the blatant errors in the article. Oh, and while on the topic of blatant errors in the articles: for sure in the early days this was not (often) seen. Perhaps the correlation should be between the quality of the article and the level of criticism.
But I suppose it is not surprising that you would instead seek a correlation with lack of maturity, given your own not-so-grown-up post.


While questioning anything published and especially numbers quoted is good, to do so without actually reading the article (to understand the difference between handset/modem numbers and the ratio of data consumed, for example) or doing a few elementary calculations to check the facts only shows lack of education.

Yes, 2 is not equal to 10. I cannot state it any more simply than that. If you still don't get it, then I really cannot help you.


Again, read the article and the first bunch of (quite aggressive) posts and you'll see the statements made by Pieter and Rudolph around the numbers being wrong boils down to people not reading the article in the first place. Specifically around the 60/40 issue.

No, what this boils down to you is you completely being blind to the actual mistakes, and making silly snide comments about the valid criticisms that merely shows your level of maturity (or more accurately: the lack thereof).

So you're still under the impression that 65 and 60 only start differing by the 5th decimal place? And do you still believe 2 and 10 are equal?

While I'm rambling, notice another tendency on this forum:

1. Article is written by myBB.
2. First post is either positive or negative.
3. Subsequent posts tend to follow first post and not the actual article content.

1. Article is written by myBB.
2. Article is either of qood quality or bad quality, the first post points this out.
3. Subsequent posts tend to add on to what the first post missed.

This thread is a case in point. The first few posts attacked the author and this then set the tone for the thread. Everyone is now trying to out-do the previous poster. But it seem none of them actually went back to the article to make sure the first poster was correct in the first place.

True, the first reply demonstrates a misunderstanding of the article. The second reply, however, is spot on. And your point is..?

We've even had forumites openly admit they don't see the need to read the articles but feel justified in giving their two cents.

Yeah that's crazy. But think of the company representative on mBB who appears to believe that 2 and 10 are equal, and that 60 and 65 starts differing only by the 5th decimal place. Utterly ridiculous, don't you think?
 
I was "introduced" to MyBB by someone who was very active on this forum. He has long since abandoned this forum, and his reasons were twofold, if the pun will be excused:
  1. The intolerance and arrogance of certain company reps; and
  2. The kid gloves with which some companies is handled.

I understand you talk like that, but most sane people would round to a logical number for the sake of simplicity.
The insinuation that I might not be sane is uncalled for, and I guess worthy of an infraction, but then again, take it from whence it comes. In any case, I've long since forgotten most of my varsity maths, and for the life of me can't remember what a "logical number" is!

MyBB is one of the SA websites with the highest number of visitors. Like one of the others on that list (News24,) it seems to desperately need someone to proofread and interrogate articles before they are published. Maybe MyBB could do with something like the popup that ask you if you really want to send an e-mail. It has saved me from making a fool of myself on many occasions, but it sadly seems to have done nothing for my sanity.

In conclusion, I never aspired to the lofty heights of becoming a Super Grandmaster or whatever you can become here, but I learned a bit about broadband and a lot more about human nature and character.

Adios.
 
Disregarding the very likely (but as yet unproven) possibility that there are very few people on this planet who do actually think logically all the time, I will agree insofar as it is equally illogical to sign a 24 month contract with Telkom even when it involves 10GB every month for R199.

Get back to us after 24 months and let us know how much you spent on 3G versus 8ta's 240GB for R4800 :)
 
:D

There's an unofficial poll going on in the cellular section:
How much data do you use on 3G/HSDPA per month from your smartphone?

Perhaps I will have something to post in that thread after Vodacom gets a clue and changes its DataSIM service such that it works for TopUp customers, either that or Vodacom fixes its broken data bundles for contract such that they are hard-capped by default.

I think Vodacom shouldn't waste any more resources on fixing its broken contract data bundles, instead Vodacom should start phasing out contract data bundles and only expend resources on developing and maintaining the prepaid / TopUp data bundles that are both layered on Vodacom's prepaid platform.

Get back to us after 24 months and let us know how much you spent on 3G versus 8ta's 240GB for R4800 :)

I never said that I hadn't also been illogical and signed a 10GB for R199 on a 24 month 8ta contract with Telkom, it made sense at the time :)
 
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