De Klerk not a hero - Malema

grayston said:
I can see the Hollywood script already:

MANDELA: You can take our rights but you'll never take our FREEDOM! [Busts out of jail]
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...swims back to the mainland from Robben Island through the shark-infested waters (in 5 minutes) and in a terminator voice says "Now, bring me my machine gun. Hey, someone write that down. That sounds kinda catchy."
 
Sad.

If you can label De Klerk a racist, the way is paved to label all white South Africans racist. It deflects attention away from the ANC's own failures.

Mandela was released after long negotiations even before De Klerk took the helm. De Klerk created a climate in South Africa amongst the electorate that resulted in 71% of white South Africans voting for radical change in 1992, one man one vote, equal rights for all and so on.
The end of apartheid.

If De Klerk had adopted the same stance/attitude as Verwoed or Voster had done, where would we all be know?

The NP was going head to head with the Conservatives. The NP had the Democratic Party support (the DA now) in voting for change, a principal that De Klerk staked his career on.
Prior to the referendum, the governing National Party had lost three by-elections since announcing negotiations to end apartheid two years earlier, and its position was opposed by the Conservative Party which opposed the negotiations and boycotted the Convention for a Democratic South Africa (CODESA). On 24 January 1992, President F.W. de Klerk opened parliament and suggested that a referendum would be held, in which the vote of each race group would be counted separately. When the National Party was defeated in the Potchefstroom by-election on 19 February, after calling it a test vote, its credibility was placed in doubt.
In the meantime, negotiations between the government and the African National Congress were making slow progress. Violence was increasing in the South African townships, different white right wing groups were becoming more prominent, and there was growing dissatisfaction within the white community. The government was thus under domestic and international pressure to make progress in the negotiations.
While the Conservative Party claimed that the government did not have the mandate to negotiate with the ANC after its defeat in Potchefstroom, State President F.W. de Klerk announced 20 February, that a national referendum for the white electorate would be held to test the government's — and his own — support: if the referendum's outcome had been negative, de Klerk would have resigned and general elections held.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_African_apartheid_referendum,_1992
 
You guys should listen to Avenue Q. Everyone's a little bit racist ;)

de Klerk wasn't a hero in the traditional sense - he certainly didn't spend all his time fighting for the freedom of all people. He even said that he doesn't want to be praised for it and that the decision was more or less made because it would have been much more uncomfortable if Mandela hadn't been freed. That said, it takes a great man to see the writing on the wall and take the hard decision - and he did that. There are other things he could have done but he went down the unpopular, difficult road.
 
AntiThesis said:
You guys should listen to Avenue Q. Everyone's a little bit racist ;)

de Klerk wasn't a hero in the traditional sense - he certainly didn't spend all his time fighting for the freedom of all people. He even said that he doesn't want to be praised for it and that the decision was more or less made because it would have been much more uncomfortable if Mandela hadn't been freed. That said, it takes a great man to see the writing on the wall and take the hard decision - and he did that. There are other things he could have done but he went down the unpopular, difficult road.
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Would you then consider Mikhail Gorbachev a hero? Would you consider the Nobel laureates Vaclav Havel and Lech Walesa as heros? The latter two did not fight, except through peaceful means helped bring about peaceful political change. Of course they go-ahead had to come from Gorbachev who himself never fought.

A hero isn't some Fidel Castro or Che Guevara who fights with a Kalashnikov. It can be anyone who stands by his principles and brings about just benefit to more people than himself.

BTW - De Klerk was able to bring about the change, only and only, because the SOVIET UNION fell. Had the Soviet Union persisted, the SA government would have had Western backing behind the scenes despite the anti-apartheid lip service and political boycotts/sanctions. The West would not give up this strategic bit of territory, no matter what.
 
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Is he slated to become our next president?
Best hope not as he is a bigger joke than our current leader
 
Garyvdh said:
Malema was still biting his mother's tit and getting a backhand for not knowing how to suck properly when De Klerk was busy making this country a better place.

effing twot. :mad:
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Zuma has so many bastard children I would not be surprised if Malema was one of them. I would also not be surprised if Malema's mother had abandoned Malema to suck on Zuma's cultural weapon instead of her tit.
 
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‘De Klerk had no choice but to take the steps he took 20 years ago’

“De Klerk took a bold step and moved forward. We don't give the credit to him, he couldn't do anything because I think if you talk to many leaders of the ANC, they will tell you the writing was on the wall already and therefore he had to take that step - but he had to be pushed. The fact that he plunged he must be given credit for that, but it was not generosity from him - it was under pressure. The struggle was at the climax,” said Mantashe.
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Ramaphosa, former head of the reception committee, said the ANC was not unbanned by former president FW de Klerk.

“You unbanned it yourself. You hoisted the flag of our people high, and you said the ANC leads, the ANC lives,” he said.

“When comrade Nelson Mandela was released, as he walked out of these prison gates, we knew his freedom meant our freedom had also arrived.”
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j4ck455 said:
Zuma has so many bastard children I would not be surprised if Malema was one of them. I would also not be surprised if Malema's mother had abandoned Malema to suck on Zuma's cultural weapon instead of her tit.
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Not even zuma can produce na idiot like malema
 
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WHats the difference between Malema and and bucket of shlt ?

.............the Bucket..............
 
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