Depression.

[killadoob]

Ok so at least we know that haptic has no idea about this topic having never been through it.

Cool story haptic. Waiting for the guys who are on meds to say if they have tried some sort of therapy other than talking about their feelings. It would be interesting to know if pills are where it ends.

 

[Nick333]

By whose estimation? Yours? Do you really think your judgement - after your own admissions - is worth ****? I certainly don't.


Yep. It's one of the wonderful things about having a functioning brain - one can form opinions on matters outside of one's own direct experience. Let's not pretend this isn't the case, or I shall have to ask you in every ****ing useless anti-US thread you post whether you're directly involved in international relations.


Shame. If nothing else, you certainly have a degree of empathy from me. Must be painful not to be able to function without a social crutch.

I'll pretend that you're not just being a dick and say it is indeed painful not to be able to function without a social crutch. It's a symptom of anxiety and depression. There is also not much difference in essence between the use of alcohol and cocaine and antidepressants.

 

[porchrat]

Yep. It's one of the wonderful things about having a functioning brain - one can form opinions on matters outside of one's own direct experience. Let's not pretend this isn't the case, or I shall have to ask you in every ****ing useless anti-US thread you post whether you're directly involved in international relations.

I agree with this until it gets to the point at which you are attempting to empathise with someone that has a dysfunctional brain.

I think rationally because my brain chemistry is normal. I cannot force myself to think irrationally. I can therefore never truly empathise with someone that is irrationally depressed or has most other major psychological conditions.

 

[killadoob]

I agree with this until it gets to the point at which you are attempting to empathise with someone that has a dysfunctional brain.

I think rationally because my brain chemistry is normal. I cannot force myself to think irrationally. I can therefore never truly empathise with someone that is irrationally depressed or has most other major psychological conditions.

Porch did you read that link velon posted and then i reposted it. What are your thoughts?

The problem is depressed people don't force themselves into it, they slowly talk themselves further and further into depression, most people don't need drugs they just need to stop thinking like they are depressed and their brain is broken. I will say some people do need it but when you are put on drugs straight away how can any professional claim to know they need drugs without first trying treatments that bring back the happiness and positive energy? Drugs and you will be fine sir. Have a good day.

 

[HapticSimian]

I agree with this until it gets to the point at which you are attempting to empathise with someone that has a dysfunctional brain.

I think rationally because my brain chemistry is normal. I cannot force myself to think irrationally. I can therefore never truly empathise with someone that is irrationally depressed or has most other major psychological conditions.

I used the word 'empathy' instead of sympathy only because I've had to deal with people close to me with comparable weaknesses. Close enough that, in a sense, I might as well have experienced it myself.

 

[HapticSimian]

I'll pretend that you're not just being a dick and say it is indeed painful not to be able to function without a social crutch. It's a symptom of anxiety and depression. There is also not much difference in essence between the use of alcohol and cocaine and antidepressants.

When did you start missing the intended points with such regularity, Nick? Yes, I'm being a dick exactly because someone reliant on god-damned cocaine is attempting to advise others on the use of medication

 

[porchrat]

I used the word 'empathy' instead of sympathy only because I've had to deal with people close to me with comparable weaknesses. Close enough that, in a sense, I might as well have experienced it myself.

I too have had experience dealing with people close to me with a wide range of debilitating psychological conditions. I'm sure many on this forum could say the same.

Despite that experience I still would never claim to be able to truly empathise with any of them. I cannot make my mind work irrationally. I cannot truly understand what it means to be irrational. When I am sad there is always a reason for it. I can't comprehend the experience of being sad for no rational reason. I've seen it happening in those close to me and while I feel sorrow for them because I can see they are suffering, I can never truly feel empathy for them without having my own brain chemistry manipulated.

 

[Nick333]

When did you start missing the intended points with such regularity, Nick? Yes, I'm being a dick exactly because someone reliant on god-damned cocaine is attempting to advise others on the use of medication

It might be because I'm not paying that much attention to what killa has to say.

 

[Singal]

Many undiagnosed people use alcohol and drugs in an attempt to cope with their depression. They go through life feeling unhappy and not knowing why they're unhappy. For a little while,while they're high, they feel good and so they use alcohol and drugs to cope.

If you are taking antidepressants, please avoid excessive drinking and drugs. I cannot stress this enough.They negate the effects of the antidepressant

 

[killadoob]

I used the word 'empathy' instead of sympathy only because I've had to deal with people close to me with comparable weaknesses. Close enough that, in a sense, I might as well have experienced it myself.

Rubbish, if you know a drug addict who has recovered does that mean you may as well have experienced the hell they went through?

You don't sound like you think rationally to me. How can you experience something because you know someone who has? Did you magically transfer your soul into their body and go through it or am i missing something? If you have not been so far gone that life doesn't seem worth it you have no right to even to discuss it with people who have been there. Nor do you have any right to claim you know someone who has so you may as well have experienced it. You know fk all bud. Until you do perhaps then come back .

 

[HapticSimian]

I too have had experience dealing with people close to me with a wide range of debilitating psychological conditions. I'm sure many on this forum could say the same.

Despite that experience I still would never claim to be able to truly empathise with any of them. I cannot make my mind work irrationally. I cannot truly understand what it means to be irrational. When I am sad there is always a reason for it. I can't comprehend the experience of being sad for no rational reason. I've seen it happening in those close to me and while I feel sorrow for them because I can see they are suffering, I can never truly feel empathy for them without having my own brain chemistry manipulated.

Technically you are, of course, correct. Let's call it a Dutchie mistake and leave it at that.

 

[porchrat]

Porch did you read that link velon posted and then i reposted it. What are your thoughts?

Haven't actually followed the thread mate.

(note folks that the use of the words normal and abnormal here refer to the averages in human society, I don't mean to imply that anyone is inferior or somehow deficient, just not the norm)

 

[Nick333]

I too have had experience dealing with people close to me with a wide range of debilitating psychological conditions. I'm sure many on this forum could say the same.

Despite that experience I still would never claim to be able to truly empathise with any of them. I cannot make my mind work irrationally. I cannot truly understand what it means to be irrational. When I am sad there is always a reason for it. I can't comprehend the experience of being sad for no rational reason. I've seen it happening in those close to me and while I feel sorrow for them because I can see they are in pain, I can never feel empathy without having my own brain chemistry manipulated.

The fact that you're human means that you are very likely that you are somewhat irrational about at least some things. So, I'm sure if you gave it enough thought you can empathise.

Irrational behaviour isn't actually irrational. There is some sort of underlying logical thought process behind it which was implanted somewhere along the line. For example an irrational fear is almost always learnt in childhood. "Don't go so high on the Jungle Gym, it's dangerous".

 

[HapticSimian]

Have a look at this article as well http://articles.mercola.com/sites/a...companies-creation-of-medical-lobotomies.aspx

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/a...companies-creation-of-medical-lobotomies.aspx

Velon post this link but i would imagine it was ignored.

...

Oh, this is just ****ing beautiful: The Marketing of Madness was produced by the Citizens Commission on Human Rights... which is a front group for...

Wait for it...

WAIT FOR IT...

The Church of Scientology!

Oh. My. Sack. You poor, poor deluded fools. See what not vetting your sources gets you?

 

[killadoob]

Haven't actually followed the thread mate.

(note folks that the use of the words normal and abnormal here refer to the averages in human society, I don't mean to imply that anyone is inferior or somehow deficient, just not the norm)

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/a...companies-creation-of-medical-lobotomies.aspx

Have a read. Really interesting. They state very clearly some people do need drugs but the rest is a bit of a shock.

Well any source that doesn't fit into a persons thought process will always be written off.

 

[porchrat]

Technically you are, of course, correct. Let's call it a Dutchie mistake and leave it at that.

Dutchie mistake? Are you saying your first language is Afrikaans?!?

I wasn't aware of that and if that is the case I must say your command of the English language is very impressive. Better than mine and it is pretty much the only language I can speak without looking like I was dropped on my head repetitively as a child.

I find speaking to people with these sorts of conditions to sometimes be frustrating. I try not to lose my temper when speaking with these sorts of people but, I'm ashamed to admit, sometimes I can't help it. This is mostly I think because of the aforementioned inability to empathise with them. I ask why they feel depressed today or why they think people are out to get them or are thinking bad things about them and I never get an answer that makes any sense. It has in the past made me feel quite powerless and confused. I think we are used to everyone thinking rationally as we do and so when we encounter someone that behaves irrationally then we simply don't know how to deal with it.

Coincidentally if any of you guys have a close relative or something that has some sort of psychological condition that makes him/her behave irrationally and you are able to get along with him/her please feel free to PM me and let me know how you achieve that. I know I struggle.

 

[HapticSimian]

Dutchie mistake? Are you saying your first language is Afrikaans?!?

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On topic, I just want to draw attention, again, to the fact that killadoobie and Velenoso are punting Scientology propaganda.

 

[copacetic]

Oh, this is just ****ing beautiful: The Marketing of Madness was produced by the Citizens Commission on Human Rights... which is a front group for...

Wait for it...

WAIT FOR IT...

The Church of Scientology!

Oh. My. Sack. You poor, poor deluded fools. See what not vetting your sources gets you?

I wonder if they know about the Church of Scientology's hatred of psychiatry, and why this antagonism exists?

But yeah, if anything this shows pretty clearly, that the 'opposition' in this discussion are just as biased as those they accuse of being the same.

 

[killadoob]

http://www.drogrady.com/16/putting-mind-over-matters/


Also Scientology bud with that or do i need to find more?

Anyways haptic having experienced it as you have you know what it's like somehow, if people want to go through life coping that is fine, if they want to try some sort of therapy that promotes confidence and positivity they can.

Time for a swim and movie , haptic maybe you can watch the movie with me as well, you know i am going to watch it so you can experience it. It's total recall

 

[HapticSimian]

http://www.drogrady.com/16/putting-mind-over-matters/


Also Scientology bud with that or do i need to find more?

I'm sorry, are you under the impression that you have any credibility left [-]in this discussion[/-] at all? You were suggesting people devote 3 ****ing hours of their lives watching some horse **** concocted by the most vile bunch of deluded ****wits on the planet, and you just want to brush that aside?

Lulz.