Depression.

[D3nz]

It's sad that people who suffer from this condition are made to feel that they must defend and prove their illness. I do not have depression , but my husband and another family member do. Both of them, when they were diagnosed, had no history of drug or alcohol abuse, no money worries, good jobs and spouses that adored them.

At one time, I too thought that depression was just a mind over matter thing. Eat healthy, exercise, quit smoking, meditate, think happy thoughts and you'll be fine...yeah, it doesn't always work that way. Some people, not everyone, need antidepressant medication to cope.

As to antidepressants being placebos, I don't agree.There are different types of depression and different types of antidepressants. What works for one person won't necessarily work for another. What works at one time might not work the next time you have a depressive episode. One medication might work, while the same medication in a generic form might not. Switching from cipralex to the generic lexamil had my husband feeling crappy again with the irritability and the constant headaches returning...and he didn't even know he'd been taking the much cheaper generic version of escitalopram. Thankfully those deep, overwhelming and all-consuming feelings of unhappiness have not made a reappearance.

It's high time people stopped being ignorant and narrow minded when it comes to depression...and I am not talking about feeling depressed because money is tight or you're having a bad day or you have relationship problems. DEPRESSION is a real DISEASE. Eating healthy and exercising won't get rid of a person's cancer, neither will it get rid of a person's depression. I'm not sure whether major depression can be cured, but I know that it can be managed.

 

[FreeStanler]

You have to admit though that many people use the term "depressed" very loosely , "I'm so depressed today" etc, when in fact they're just feeling down. A person suffering from some kind of depression will most probably not say anything...

From what sufferers have told me about depression (some in my family and acquaintances), it's certainly not something I would ever want to have -- and so far I consider myself lucky but at the same time my heart goes out to those who have to live with this hell.

Yes, many people do use the term loosely...

It is good to see people appreciate the intensity that is real depression.

MsDenz, why don't you/and or your husband take a look at mpkb.org , and provide me your thoughts? You can PM me if you like...

 

[killadoob]

Positive attitude can generally sort out depression, most depressed people think so negatively. Just get positive and find a way to make yourself happy.

It is easier to claim you have depression or some disease that drugs can fix, mostly drugs are there to make money and most doctors cannot explain how they work.

I am not saying it isn't a disease but negativity is also a disease, it makes people depressed because they never see the bright side of life. positive thinking i reckon for most cases is the best cure. This is my personal opinion so go easy on me. I went through depression tried about 5 difference tablets and they never helped then i watched some chick on youtube who is all about positivity and that sort my depression out. Life seems so much better when you can see the good stuff and avoid looking for the bad side.

I am talking depression, bi polar and adhd etc has nothing to do with my post. Those emo depressed people don't need drugs they just a positive go get em big boy/girl attitude and confidence is key as well. Most depressed folk have low confidence and they think drugs will magically fix their low self esteem and lack of confidence.

You have to love yourself and accept you for you from there the confidence and positive attitude will make you happy. The power of positivity is far more potent than some drug that doctors can barely explain how it works. Money making racket, feeling down, low confidence here take this magical pill it will solve those issues bwhahah absolute garbage. been there got the t-shirt, now my t-shirt says get positive and get confident before you try drugs.

 

[killadoob]

Positive attitude can generally sort out depression, most depressed people think so negatively. Just get positive and find a way to make yourself happy.

It is easier to claim you have depression or some disease that drugs can fix, mostly drugs are there to make money and most doctors cannot explain how they work.

I am not saying it isn't a disease but negativity is also a disease, it makes people depressed because they never see the bright side of life. positive thinking i reckon for most cases is the best cure. This is my personal opinion so go easy on me. I went through depression tried about 5 difference tablets and they never helped then i watched some chick on youtube who is all about positivity and that sort my depression out. Life seems so much better when you can see the good stuff and avoid looking for the bad side.

I am talking depression, bi polar and adhd etc has nothing to do with my post. Those emo depressed people don't need drugs they just a positive go get em big boy/girl attitude and confidence is key as well. Most depressed folk have low confidence and they think drugs will magically fix their low self esteem and lack of confidence.

You have to love yourself and accept you for you from there the confidence and positive attitude will make you happy. The power of positivity is far more potent than some drug that doctors can barely explain how it works. Money making racket, feeling down, low confidence here take this magical pill it will solve those issues bwhahah absolute garbage. been there got the t-shirt, now my t-shirt says get positive and get confident before you try drugs.

Anxiety is easily cured by getting confident, look in the mirror and say i am the man. Walk around like you are amazing, depression is just a state of mind aided by negativity and lack of confidence. Man the **** up and love yourself, once you become positive life changes, suddenly you become confident. Confidence can only come from the person and they need to understand they are unique, good looking or ugly confidence will make you feel good and people respond to a confidence positive person. People stay well clear of a depressed emo person who is hell bent on seeing everything as depressing. You cannot fix that with drugs.

 

[RiaX]

LOL

What work do you do?

Im a hospital pharmacist in a psych unit

 

[Humberto]

Positive attitude can generally sort out depression, most depressed people think so negatively. Just get positive and find a way to make yourself happy.

It is easier to claim you have depression or some disease that drugs can fix, mostly drugs are there to make money and most doctors cannot explain how they work.

I am not saying it isn't a disease but negativity is also a disease, it makes people depressed because they never see the bright side of life. positive thinking i reckon for most cases is the best cure. This is my personal opinion so go easy on me. I went through depression tried about 5 difference tablets and they never helped then i watched some chick on youtube who is all about positivity and that sort my depression out. Life seems so much better when you can see the good stuff and avoid looking for the bad side.

I am talking depression, bi polar and adhd etc has nothing to do with my post. Those emo depressed people don't need drugs they just a positive go get em big boy/girl attitude and confidence is key as well. Most depressed folk have low confidence and they think drugs will magically fix their low self esteem and lack of confidence.

You have to love yourself and accept you for you from there the confidence and positive attitude will make you happy. The power of positivity is far more potent than some drug that doctors can barely explain how it works. Money making racket, feeling down, low confidence here take this magical pill it will solve those issues bwhahah absolute garbage. been there got the t-shirt, now my t-shirt says get positive and get confident before you try drugs.

Anxiety is easily cured by getting confident, look in the mirror and say i am the man. Walk around like you are amazing, depression is just a state of mind aided by negativity and lack of confidence. Man the **** up and love yourself, once you become positive life changes, suddenly you become confident. Confidence can only come from the person and they need to understand they are unique, good looking or ugly confidence will make you feel good and people respond to a confidence positive person. People stay well clear of a depressed emo person who is hell bent on seeing everything as depressing. You cannot fix that with drugs.

This is very true.

The brain follows a "use it or lose it" principle. Neural pathways that are frequently used are enforced and neural pathways that are rarely used waste away or are used for new things. Thinking negatively enforces the pathways that are used in these thoughts while the pathways that are used for thinking positively waste away. It becomes harder to be positive and happy and easier to be negative and depressed.

Thinking physically changes the structure of your brain. That is how memories and skills are encoded in the brain - new pathways are created and enforced.

In life, if we are to be seen as a lady or a gentleman, it is important that we keep the right company. If we hang out with the wrong crowd we are liable to learn their bad ways. And so it is with our thoughts. Meditating on negative thoughts does promote depression; it cannot be any other way. You cannot run through a flour mill an expect not to get your clothes dirty.

Make a conscious effort to avoid negative thinking and when a negative thought ("I can't do this", "I wish I were dead", "I'm a failure") presents itself say "STOP" and immediately substitute a positive, happy thought.

 

[DigitalSoldier]

Good to hear but has the meds actually cured you or are you subjected to taking these things for the rest of your life.

Ironically I know some people who actually felt worse when they tried to stop taking the drugs, because it basically controls you.

I would rather be controlled by drugs than live half a life.

Some of the drugs do have nasty withdrawal effects that is why you don't just stop taking the drugs. You have to slowly stop taking the drugs and only when advised so by your doc/shrink.

Also it its the responsibility of each individual to research the drugs they take. I am currently on Venlor and before I started taking the drug, I did my research about the side effects and possible withdrawal effects. I still decided to take the drug and it has improved my quality of life tremendously.

Also I didn't just walk into my doc's office and got a prescription. I was diagnosed by a qualified shrink and also still working with her to get treated. And I am able to say the treatment is working.

 

[Velenoso]

was diagnosed by a qualified shrink and also still working with her to get treated. And I am able to say the treatment is working.

Alright, so if depression is a disease treatable by medication why do you need to see a shrink? Does an epileptic see a shrink? I didn't think so.

 

[DigitalSoldier]

Due to anxiety I still see my shrink.

I guess you also believe bipolar disorder is not a real diseasr.

Alright, so if depression is a disease treatable by medication why do you need to see a shrink? Does an epileptic see a shrink? I didn't think so.

 

[Humberto]

Re: depression is not a "real" disease

The brain of a depressed person can be distinguished from the brain of a healthy person by looking at the size of the hippocampus on an MRI scan. Untreated depression is associated with shrinking of the hippocampus. Antidepressants reverse the shrinking of the hippocampus.

Depression is a real disease and a very dangerous one with a mortality rate of up to 15 % from suicides.

 

[killadoob]

The brain of a depressed person can be distinguished from the brain of a healthy person by looking at the size of the hippocampus on an MRI scan. Untreated depression is associated with shrinking of the hippocampus. Antidepressants reverse the shrinking of the hippocampus.

Depression is a real disease and a very dangerous one with a mortality rate of up to 15 % from suicides.

I don't agree, that is what they think but they have no idea. Most depressed people simply cannot see how amazing life is. Have you ever seen a depressed positive thinker?

No because if you send out happy messages your brain will be happy, if you sit hating yourself and the world your brain will follow along.

Here take some pills because you are negative and hate life. Until that person gets positivity into their lives no drug will help.

 

[Singal]

Positive attitude can generally sort out depression, most depressed people think so negatively. Just get positive and find a way to make yourself happy.

It is easier to claim you have depression or some disease that drugs can fix, mostly drugs are there to make money and most doctors cannot explain how they work.

I am not saying it isn't a disease but negativity is also a disease, it makes people depressed because they never see the bright side of life. positive thinking i reckon for most cases is the best cure. This is my personal opinion so go easy on me. I went through depression tried about 5 difference tablets and they never helped then i watched some chick on youtube who is all about positivity and that sort my depression out. Life seems so much better when you can see the good stuff and avoid looking for the bad side.

I am talking depression, bi polar and adhd etc has nothing to do with my post. Those emo depressed people don't need drugs they just a positive go get em big boy/girl attitude and confidence is key as well. Most depressed folk have low confidence and they think drugs will magically fix their low self esteem and lack of confidence.

You have to love yourself and accept you for you from there the confidence and positive attitude will make you happy. The power of positivity is far more potent than some drug that doctors can barely explain how it works. Money making racket, feeling down, low confidence here take this magical pill it will solve those issues bwhahah absolute garbage. been there got the t-shirt, now my t-shirt says get positive and get confident before you try drugs.

Anxiety is easily cured by getting confident, look in the mirror and say i am the man. Walk around like you are amazing, depression is just a state of mind aided by negativity and lack of confidence. Man the **** up and love yourself, once you become positive life changes, suddenly you become confident. Confidence can only come from the person and they need to understand they are unique, good looking or ugly confidence will make you feel good and people respond to a confidence positive person. People stay well clear of a depressed emo person who is hell bent on seeing everything as depressing. You cannot fix that with drugs.

From what I understand 'emo' is a term used for people who think it's cool to be depressed in order to gain attention and pity and I think anyone who truly suffers from depression would take exception to being referred to as emo.

You have no idea what has happened to people to make them depressed, so don't judge. You cured your depression without drugs, all well and good........ that means YOU didn't need drugs. I get the impression that you think depressed people who rely on antidepressants to cope are weak.

Do you think people just wake up one day and decide they're depressed ? Do you think they haven't tried to be positive ? Do you think well-meaning ,but clueless friends and family haven't already told them they don't need drugs ?

Sometimes people try too hard to be strong, to be positive, to be happy, to put a smile on their face so no one guesses, that they end up suppressing their true feelings . Do you know how hard it is to smile when deep within you there's so much pain threatening to choke you ? The pills don't make you forget, they don't magically make the feelings go away, but somehow they help you get up in the morning, get through the day and basically just cope with life.

As you said that was just your opinion and this is just my response. Your holier than thou attitude really rubbed me the wrong way.

 

[FreeStanler]

From what I understand 'emo' is a term used for people who think it's cool to be depressed in order to gain attention and pity and I think anyone who truly suffers from depression would take exception to being referred to as emo.

You have no idea what has happened to people to make them depressed, so don't judge. You cured your depression without drugs, all good and well........ that means YOU didn't need drugs. I get the impression that you think depressed people who rely on antidepressants to cope are weak.

Do you think people just wake up one day and decide they're depressed ? Do you think they haven't tried to be positive ? Do you think well-meaning ,but clueless friends and family haven't already told them they don't need drugs ?

Sometimes people try too hard to be strong, to be positive, to be happy, to put a smile on their face so no one guesses, that they end up suppressing their true feelings . Do you know how hard it is to smile when deep within you there's so much pain threatening to choke you ? The pills don't make you forget, they don't magically make the feelings go away, but somehow they help you get up in the morning, get through the day and basically just cope with life.

As you said that was just your opinion and this is just my response. Your holier than thou attitude really rubbed me the wrong way.

+1

 

[ponder]

I know very little about the subject but my mom is on anti-depressants.

Depression is something you hear a lot about these days and a lot of people seems to suffering from it. It's kinda like back in the day when everybody suffered from 'yuppie flu' (Chronic fatigue syndrome) yet you don't hear about that any more.

My question is how much of this is a physical condition vs a psychological condition as it also seems to coincide with peoples environmental conditions & upbringing etc.

 

[killadoob]

I know very little about the subject but my mom is on anti-depressants.

Depression is something you hear a lot about these days and a lot of people seems to suffering from it. It's kinda like back in the day when everybody suffered from 'yuppie flu' (Chronic fatigue syndrome) yet you don't hear about that any more.

My question is how much of this is a physical condition vs a psychological condition as it also seems to coincide with peoples environmental conditions & upbringing etc.

Tell me ponder is she very a negative person? Does she look at a bad situation and see the best or the worst of it? I know when i was depressed it was negativity that was the driving force, i never saw anything in a positive light which of course meant i was unhappy and then depressed about being so unhappy. Tried various drugs but they didn't magically cure me. A positive energy youtube channel changed me. Ponder have you ever seen a depressed positive person? Happy go lucky are actually people who are positive, should be happy and positive.

Environmental conditions of course, if you are not happy you will feel down then you will go take tablets that will magically cure the source of the depression. Some tablets make the depression worse and last i heard there was no magic positive energy tablet. You have to change your mind and it's a long process. The easy route would be drugs but that is the lazy route and for depression it does not cure the source. Unless there magic pills i have yet to hear about that make you super happy even though you are still very negative.

 

[FreeStanler]

I know very little about the subject but my mom is on anti-depressants.

Depression is something you hear a lot about these days and a lot of people seems to suffering from it. It's kinda like back in the day when everybody suffered from 'yuppie flu' (Chronic fatigue syndrome) yet you don't hear about that any more.

My question is how much of this is a physical condition vs a psychological condition as it also seems to coincide with peoples environmental conditions & upbringing etc.

My wife has CFS (chronic fatigue syndrome). It is very real and very tough,, to say the least.

Being positive can definitely help. Like it can help someone with AIDS or cancer to cope a bit better. But it won't heal you if you have true CFS. CFS has been proven to be related to autoimmunity processes...and so has many forms of depression...

 

[RiaX]

I know very little about the subject but my mom is on anti-depressants.

Depression is something you hear a lot about these days and a lot of people seems to suffering from it. It's kinda like back in the day when everybody suffered from 'yuppie flu' (Chronic fatigue syndrome) yet you don't hear about that any more.

My question is how much of this is a physical condition vs a psychological condition as it also seems to coincide with peoples environmental conditions & upbringing etc.

Its quite a physical illness depending on the diagnosis. Accute vs chronic. Sometimes the brain tissue can physically change due to the neurotransmitter chemical inbalances resulting in severe depression thats chronically managed with things like fluoxetine and a whole host of other meds.

Other times its an acute like a family member dies or a loved one runs of with someone else and these symptoms manifest as lack of appetite and nausea, vomiting no energy and basically a loss in the will to live however these are managed and usually cured and drug free within a year or so with meds. Especially if the sorce of the depression is gone (with the case of be dumped the depression is simply memories which eventually fade and lose their potency on the patient). However sometimes the patient becomes addicted to the medication or they get addicted to the medical practice of psychiatry and end up chronic or long term patients (this is mainly elderly people)

You wont hear of the cured depression a lot because successful patients really dont like to talk about that episode within their lives - even to medical practioners. They guard that sometimes as closely as their atm pins D:

Now a lot of the time people FAKE depression in order to get attention. This is your emo (which could still be considered a delusional psych patient as well). The problem for this is they get their attention people seek medical advice for them instead of ignoring their nonsense and tey are put on antidepressants which chemically modify their healthy brain inducing such effects because now the brain is in imbalance. However its EXTREMELY difficult to tell when the patient is attention seeking or sincere - and you cant run the risk of not treating an honest patient as a medical doctor

 

[killadoob]

You don't hear many cured depression because they don't get cured, they jus get fed drugs that manage the problem supposedly.

I cured my depression by rewiring(not sure if that is correct lol) my brain to look at everything positively. Some people are lonely and they become depressed, get given drugs and they are now on the right track but they still sit at home lonely. Instead they should go to life coach who will encourage the person to go out more.

Low self esteem is a major cause of depression, again there are drugs that make you confident and the drugs make you love yourself for you. Errrm ok.

I would love to see a study done on patients using different techniques, drugs vs positive and confidence building classes. You don't even need to go to a life coach to try it, check out youtube for positive energy and find channels, watch them daily and practice some of the stuff they tell you to say. Go to gym and mostly when you look in the mirror see a model and not the ugly duckling. Dress well, go out, meet new people, meet friends but always look good.

I wonder whether the positive and confident training would beat drugs that have very little help with the real issues like confidence and negativity. Easier to hand out pills like they are candy. You took the pill now think positive and act confident. The pill will make you act like that.

I am a confidence, positive cured depressed person , no drug helped me nor did shrinks because i never felt good about myself. Drugs don't make you feel good about yourself they do something but most doctors are not really sure but you should try them. Nice side effects as well, nothing annoys me more than seeing people who you can see are self conscious, negative with no confidence taking drugs and still they are not all that happy.

The secret type of lifestyle cures depression, life coaches who don't just write out scripts also cure depression. Drugs don't cure anything they might help but i am sure most of these emo depressed people like me don't need drugs. Obviously this is not something that applies to 100% of depressed people.

 

[RiaX]

you do know you get degrees of depression right ? :wtf:

 

[killadoob]

you do know you get degrees of depression right ? :wtf:

Yes but the first treatment should be positivity thinking and ensuring the patient is confident, i have never seen a depressed positive confident person, have you?