Depression.

HapticSimian said:
Read the ****ing discussion, join its direction & stop spewing incoherent and irrelevant horse manure, or go snort a line & **** off. Nobody asserted that positive thinking & concious adjustment of thought processes 'cannot work', but you fail to realise that it is simply NOT a viable course of action for some.
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Here we go with the insults again. How and when is it determined that it isn't a viable option for someone?
 
Velenoso said:
Here we go with the insults again.
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There's not an insult to be found in that post. He's a self-confessed coke-head, writing one barely coherent stream of garbage after another.

Velenoso said:
How and when is it determined that it isn't a viable option for someone?
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People either respond to a specific type of treatment, or they don't. This ain't rocket science.
 
One copes with alcohol, the other with drugs. And they want to tell people not to take antidepressants to get better. Their advice, watch a few youtube videos, sing kumbaya and you'll be fine.
 
I'd like to add when a person tries to commit suicide once, they sometimes try again, especially if they don't receive medical help and therapy. For the sake of others happiness they will fake their feelings and try to go on until it gets to a point where it gets too hard to pretend anymore. When someone gets to the point of trying to kill themselves, it's a serious matter that doesn't improve by someone telling them to toughen up and be positive. I would urge anyone who's even thinking of committing suicide to see a medical professional immediately.
 
copacetic said:
Well, all I have to say for now, is that withdrawing from Citalopram is extraordinarily unpleasant.
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You really should have done it slowly. Those horrid headaches are not going to be fun. Hope you have plenty of pain pills on hand.
 
Singal said:
The reason I apologised is because I know it can take one thoughtless and hurtful remark to be the trigger that sends a person back into a depressive state. Not immediately, it plays on your mind and a few months later you're back in that dark place.

Doob, we've tried to explain to you that positivity works, definitely, but some types of depression doesn't allow you to see the positivity. RiaX called it right when he said 'you're at the mercy of your mind'. With some types of depression there's no off switch. You can't just watch a few youtube videos and tell yourself to be positive. You're steeped in negativity. Negativity, together with low self-esteem and low confidence are symptoms of depression, not causes. This is what you fail to understand.
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The last part is where I disagree with you the most. Low self-esteem does lead to depression. Have you tried mindfulness? Have you tried cognitive behavioural therapy? If not you're arguing from ignorance.
I'm not denying that in some cases depression stems purely from physiological causes but if you've never tried alternative (to traditional therapy and medication) treatments how do you know which you are.
The whole phenomenon of depression is one of negative thought processes. Thought processes are a learned behaviour. Any behaviour that we learned we can learn to change.

Anyone who denies that is just giving up.
 
HapticSimian said:
There's not an insult to be found in that post. He's a self-confessed coke-head, writing one barely coherent stream of garbage after another.


People either respond to a specific type of treatment, or they don't. This ain't rocket science.
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People, generally, aren't being given the right treatment and tools. I haven't heard any of the nay sayers here admit to giving cognitive behavioural therapy or mindfulness a go.
 
Singal said:
You really should have done it slowly. Those horrid headaches are not going to be fun. Hope you have plenty of pain pills on hand.
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I will be okay, headache yesterday. The brain-zaps have started now, and they are really quite ****.
 
Nick333 said:
People, generally, aren't being given the right treatment and tools. I haven't heard any of the nay sayers here admit to giving cognitive behavioural therapy or mindfulness a go.
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Again, this isn't the point I'm arguing. What you describe is a procedural failure, and is neither here nor there when discussing the usefulness of medication or depression's status as an illness.
 
I got tired of engaging the ignorant people on this forum so I'll just be sharing what I know of this disease.
Depression should only be diagnosed by a trained medical professional. Please do not allow your gp to diagnose you and send you off with a script for antidepressants. If you suffer from a bipolar disorder, certain antidepressants can trigger a state of mania.
 
copacetic said:
I will be okay, headache yesterday. The brain-zaps have started now, and they are really quite ****.
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I remember them from the first time I tried to go off them .Did it too quickly and had to go on them for another month before I could start to taper off again.
 
HapticSimian said:
There's not an insult to be found in that post. He's a self-confessed coke-head, writing one barely coherent stream of garbage after another.


People either respond to a specific type of treatment, or they don't. This ain't rocket science.
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I'm sorry a coke head? I use coke as opposed to alcohol, both of which are drugs BTW when i go out. That is hardly a coke head. I never ever hear the term alcohol head or drug abuser when a drunks i use it for recreational purposes like majority of people use the drug alcohol.

As usual haptic you can't have a discussion without freaking and attacking the person, depression does that which is chilled. Let me tell you the drugs depressed people take are worse than coke, go look at the side effects. So haptic if you drink the drug alcohol you should get off your high horse. Alcohol may be legal and coke illegal but considering cigi's are legal i think it's fair to say the drug legality issues are a bit fked up :D.

Velonso that article is amazing, velenoso it is determined like this:

You have depression, take this drug which causes anxiety so add this drug. it is determined straight away that drugs must be administered. I have been saying drugs are first step in a billion dollar scam. Haptic gets angry because he is knows he is more than likely not happy and positive even though he is on drugs. Haptic what you on and what have you been diagnosed with? You wanna go toe to toe and get personal let's do it boet.

So i have admitted i have used many anti depressants and had depression, i use drugs for recreation and i don't use coke or drink daily.

So haptic come tell us, what drug were you given and what were you diagnosed with. Ding ding begin.

signal the trained professionals are handing it out as a first step, you even said so

Highly trained in handing out drugs yes, highly trained in fixing a person without drugs? WTF do they do even try?

Yup nick what an amazing point bud, all the nay sayers here pop pills and slam any sort of therapy. That is what marketing does, it makes people believe therapy to improve certain issues is rubbish and drugs are the only way. How many of you depressed people on drugs are fixing your issues? are you positive thinkers, how high is your confidence, what about self esteem? It's easy to be all big and brave on the internet but i know behind that computer many of you are not as fixed as you say you are but would never admit it.
 
Singal said:
I got tired of engaging the ignorant people on this forum so I'll just be sharing what I know of this disease.
Depression should only be diagnosed by a trained medical professional. Please do not allow your gp to diagnose you and send you off with a script for antidepressants. If you suffer from a bipolar disorder, certain antidepressants can trigger a state of mania.
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Your refusal to engage on the subject of alternative treatments and coping strategies just confirms my opinion tbh.
What other forms of treatment are you pursuing other than medication? If I may ask.
 
killadoob said:
/drivel

Haptic gets angry because he is knows he is more than likely not happy and positive even though he is on drugs. Haptic what you on and what have you been diagnosed with. You wanna go toe to toe and get personal let's do it boet.

/drivel
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Not on anything, not diagnosed with anything, simply discussing the issues at hand. You can try getting personal; I'm not the one who can't face a group of people without a lil' blow. Nor do I pop migraine cocktails like smarties. :rolleyes:
 
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/a...companies-creation-of-medical-lobotomies.aspx

Velon post this link but i would imagine it was ignored, haptic why don't you read and watch and tell us what you think, that is about the most truth you will find on the matter and it is scary how you guys cannot accept the current method of handing out drugs isn't making the problem better. It is making it worse. Hopefully people who read this thread may be a little more open to other options when they check that article velon posted.

So if i am understanding something haptic, you are on nothing and have never been through it yet you sit here in this thread talking about something you have never gone through?

I can face people, i am a salesman you silly thing. I face people all week. It's just parties that i like a little blow as much as people like to drink.

So haptic may as well be ignored like riax. Signal what treatment are you seeking other than popping a pill? nick is asking an awesome question one that will end with an attack or signal will run and hide :D.
 
Antidepressants are not required by every type of depression. Only you can decide if you can cope without them or not. They are not magic pills that make you happy all day long. They simply allow you to cope. You should be aware that not every antidepressant will work for you. It may take a few try's before you find the right one. If you don't feel any improvement after two weeks, that is not the antidepressant for you.

If you feel that your depression is not serious enough to require medication, lifestyle changes such as exercising, healthy eating, doing activities you enjoy, avoiding and removing stressful situations, can help. Even if you take antidepressants, it's important to make these lifestyle changes.
 
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