do not use your cellphone while driving

[ToxicBunny]

Makes not an ounce of difference what the lawyer suspects. This is why we have courts, and a requirement for evidence, for which you have none. So unless the lawyer is going to subpoena the records for the cellphone in question and go down a path of proving the phone was within the triangulation points near the vicinity, all for a few grand, this entire line of thought is pointless...

But a lawyer said so...

 

[saturnz]

Makes not an ounce of difference what the lawyer suspects. This is why we have courts, and a requirement for evidence, for which you have none. So unless the lawyer is going to subpoena the records for the cellphone in question and go down a path of proving the phone was within the triangulation points near the vicinity, all for a few grand, this entire line of thought is pointless...

so must I forget about it? what are you saying I must do? you seem to focus on a cellphone and forget a guy drove into me

 

[phoenix99]

so must I forget about it? what are you saying I must do? you seem to focus on a cellphone and forget a guy drove into me

I think what he is trying to say is that this might be a lengthy and expensive process. You might end up spending more on legal costs than what it would cost to repair your car.

Also from the way you speak about your cars it seems your estimated car value wont be anywhere near what a judge would value them in a court case. So even if you manage to get a judge to rule in your favour you probably wont get anywhere near what you feel the other driver owes you.

Please don't take this as me telling you you shouldnt try to get "justice" for what you think happened.
The choice to pursue this is yours and yours only.

My opinion(not in any way expert) is that your anger is making you want to fight when the best (and more than likely cheapest) option is to be a better man and let this go.You seem like someone who needs to argue and be right nomatter what the cost and sometimes that is just not healthy.

Chalk it up to what it was. An accident

I wish you luck in whatever you decide to do

 

[saturnz]

I think what he is trying to say is that this might be a lengthy and expensive process. You might end up spending more on legal costs than what it would cost to repair your car.

Also from the way you speak about your cars it seems your estimated car value wont be anywhere near what a judge would value them in a court case. So even if you manage to get a judge to rule in your favour you probably wont get anywhere near what you feel the other driver owes you.

Please don't take this as me telling you you shouldnt try to get "justice" for what you think happened.
The choice to pursue this is yours and yours only.

My opinion(not in any way expert) is that your anger is making you want to fight when the best (and more than likely cheapest) option is to be a better man and let this go.You seem like someone who needs to argue and be right nomatter what the cost and sometimes that is just not healthy.

Chalk it up to what it was. An accident

I wish you luck in whatever you decide to do

I'm not valuing the car, I'm valuing the damage. So basically from what I gather here, a guy drives into me, and walks away with no problem. I mustn't seek recourse, its the better thing to do. I think I am going to drive into someone as well and tell him he must chalk it up as an accident.

Makes sense.

 

[Rouxenator]

I don't think you are going to get anything from this because the vehicle was not insured. That means in cases like these it becomes your problem if you want to get something out from an accident. Because it will be hard to prove that it was solely the guy behind you that is too blame you are now minus a GSi.

See I insure my cars, even if it is an old Astra with 240.000km on and they will only give me R30k if it is crashed, it is insured. Or was until I traded it in.... for R30k. It kinda makes life a little less complicated seeing as I have a full-time job.

 

[DJ...]

so must I forget about it? what are you saying I must do? you seem to focus on a cellphone and forget a guy drove into me

The line of thinking that the guy was on his cellphone is entirely something you should drop, unless you want to spend hundreds of thousands on legal fees to prove this. You could be the lawyer's best bum-chum but he'd still charge you for that sort of a legal direction, and he'd probably be giving you some rather crap advice imho if he told you it was a viable course of action.

Not sure where I'm apparently forgetting that someone drove into you. What a ridiculous thing to say...

 

[saturnz]

I don't think you are going to get anything from this because the vehicle was not insured. That means in cases like these it becomes your problem if you want to get something out from an accident. Because it will be hard to prove that it was solely the guy behind you that is too blame you are now minus a GSi.

See I insure my cars, even if it is an old Astra with 240.000km on and they will only give me R30k if it is crashed, it is insured. Or was until I traded it in.... for R30k. It kinda makes life a little less complicated seeing as I have a full-time job.

Insurance makes no sense here. I would have paid atleast 20k in premiums on this car for the years I had it. Insurance would take the car and pay me out book value for this car. I would not have anything to show for it. If I sell the car in bits and pieces I would get more than 20k.

I have third party insurance yes, but comprehensive would be silly, and third party insurance won't follow up on this issue.

So I don't get your point.

 

[saturnz]

The line of thinking that the guy was on his cellphone is entirely something you should drop, unless you want to spend hundreds of thousands on legal fees to prove this. You could be the lawyer's best bum-chum but he'd still charge you for that sort of a legal direction, and he'd probably be giving you some rather crap advice imho if he told you it was a viable course of action.

Not sure where I'm apparently forgetting that someone drove into you. What a ridiculous thing to say...

I already dropped the cellphone idea but I take it you don't read. I am asking you a simple question, must I just do nothing and forget about this incident and move on with my life as if nothing happened?

 

[OGroteKoning]

So... 2 guys (Man A and Man B) on the same stretch of road pissing each other off because B didn't give A a gap in the lane B was in an A thinks "I will show you because my COTY is superfast - much faster than your R30k oil dripping rust bucket". A little bit of road rage later and A pushes his way in front of B who still does not want to give A a gap in front of him because he thinks A is a complete douche bag because of the earlier exchange of rude signs. In all this excitement, after A pushed in front of B, A suddenly realise there is a stationery vehicle in front of him and slams on the carbon breaks of his COTY and manages to stop inches from the stationary vehicle in front of him. Unfortunately B is not so lucky. B does not have nearly enough time to react to the situation because of A pushing in and although he slammed on his brakes the moment he realised the mess that was created, the carton brakes on his oil dripping rust bucket could not bring him to a standstill in time and he rear ends A (and not in a nice way). A, merely inches from the stationary vehicle in front of him, slams into the stationery vehicle from the force of B slamming into A....

/thread

Seems A also did not indicate.

 

[saturnz]

It is illegal to use phone while driving. Every driver should be responsible to himself/herself and other drivers on the road. But luckily and wisely you have got yourself a dash cam. So I conclude that everyone who drive had better to install necessary car electronics to drive safely or protect ourselves like dash cam, parking sensor, GPS trackers. And if have to answer phone calls, should prepare bluetooth headphone or car holder etc.

just incase this lingers forever, the dashcam does not show he is on a cellphone and I didn't see him on his cellphone either.

however it doesn't seem his eyes were on the road, if they were, he would have seen my car infront of him for atleast 10 seconds.

 

[Rouxenator]

What is my point? Let me illustrate my point :

See that? It is so comprehensive it even includes a rental. At R222 a month I get piece of mind that if someone rear ends my car I would get back at least what will be given to me when I trade it in. Sure, I had the car for 10 years and the premium was not always R222 per months, but at any point in the period of time that I had the car it could have been written off and I would get back the value of the car.

That is how insurance work, mess around with insurance and you'll only have yourself to blame if (not when) something goes wrong. The term penny wise and pound foolish is always what comes to mind when I have arguments like this with people who think they are saving a few hundred a month which will add up to a lot in the long run.

 

[saturnz]

What is my point? Let me illustrate my point :
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See that? It is so comprehensive it even includes a rental. At R222 a month I get piece of mind that if someone rear ends my car I would get back at least what will be given to me when I trade it in. Sure, I had the car for 10 years and the premium was not always R222 per months, but at any point in the period of time that I had the car it could have been written off and I would get back the value of the car.

That is how insurance work, mess around with insurance and you'll only have yourself to blame if (not when) something goes wrong. The term penny wise and pound foolish is always what comes to mind when I have arguments like this with people who think they are saving a few hundred a month which will add up to a lot in the long run.

I thought I explained to you that insurance would not have benefited me in this instance. I didn't say insurance doesn't benefit people in the general sense, but in this instance I can't see how insurance would have benefited me especially given the amount of premiums I would have paid on the car.

 

[Rouxenator]

How can the premiums on a 1991 GSi be any more than on a 2001 Astra ?

 

[OGroteKoning]

I thought I explained to you that insurance would not have benefited me in this instance. I didn't say insurance doesn't benefit people in the general sense, but in this instance I can't see how insurance would have benefited me especially given the amount of premiums I would have paid on the car.

Out of interest, did you at least save the value of the monthly premiums just in case you need it for your (or other) vehicle?

 

[saturnz]

How can the premiums on a 1991 GSi be any more than on a 2001 Astra ?

you said you were stupid and slow, I gave you the benefit of the doubt but you making it difficult for me.

 

[saturnz]

Out of interest, did you at least save the value of the monthly premiums just in case you need it for your (or other) vehicle?

I own five cars, all fully paid up.

 

[OGroteKoning]

I own five cars, all fully paid up.

Was that a "yes"?

 

[Rouxenator]

This is like having an argument with myself in the mirror.

 

[saturnz]

Was that a "yes"?

yes

 

[OGroteKoning]

This is like having an argument with myself in the mirror.

I think you would get better answers from the man in the mirror

/does Michael Jackson twirl