Do you believe aliens exist?

[wingnut771]

Question since when is videos considered evidence, can you with certainty claim that the videos and claims made to be truthful and authentic and unaltered. Because some tinfoil mad hatter says so on a video.

There has not been a single shred of presented evidence proven to be truthful, there isn't a SINGLE shred of evidence in private hands either and if there is few are willing to present such evidence for examination to prove it is authentic.

Why does VERY single alien conspiracy theorist insist on government information suppression.It is a fcking stupid lame ass excuse.

What is more proven evidence physically showing you I can lick my own bumhole or sending you a video licking my bumhole.

The only conspiracy theorist worse than aliens visiting earth is, flat earthers. Their IQ is on the same level, no wonder aliens only zip across the sky and never land, no intelligent life to be found.

Don't worry I will wait outside for aliens tonight to come probe me in the anus and tell you all about it tomorrow

How about first hand evidence. There was a guy in the doccie whos deafness was cured in one of the encounters. Theres even a pic of an alien entity.

 

[wingnut771]

Some people are just too smart for their own good.

 

[Brian_G]

 

[wizardofid]

Don't tell me to watch a video.
Answer these questions.
Can you present me physical evidence I can go see with my own eyes. ?

Where are the alien from? They would need to be close by, as they aren't from another galaxy.

Considering radio astronomy, can actively scan the sky day and night can be pointed at stars with exoplanets in habitual zones, we have yet to discover something as much as auditory evidence of something unnatural.

Radio signals can theoretically travel forever our signals have traveled over 200 light years. We have discovered 900 exoplanets within that 200 light year distance, not a single peep, not a whisper not a hello nothing but silence. We would have picked up something or anything by this time. Even less in the habitual zone.

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People don't quite grasp how improbable life is to take hold let alone advance enough for intelligent life the odds is stacked against it 100 billion to 1.

You need a stable star, like ours that has long enough lifespan.

The star system needs to have the right amount of elements

The habitual planet needs to be in a stable orbit around it's star

It needs protection from the star. Like earth's magnetic sphere, we have evidence in our own solar system what happens when you aren't protected from solar flares and solar winds you don't have to look far. Mars is a cautionary tale of what happens to a planet, without protection. Mars is still been bathed in solar radiation, and stripping away of the little atmosphere it has left.

It needs to be the correct size, yes the size of the planet can and will impact what life can take hold, from simple to intelligent life forms. Gravity is a beach

Earth was seeded by comets and asteroids as it was cooling down giving it essential elements for life.

We have Jupiter, which is large enough to either deflect or absorb comets and asteriods, we have a cosmic guarding angel if you will, however it is a double edge sword in that in can deflect objects in out direction.

The exoplanet needs a stable rotation, earth also has a tilt 23.5 degrees, ideal for the formation of life. In fact without the tilt it is unlikely to have intelligent life, nor the biodiversity or moderate climate it has, an exoplanet with no tilt, while life forms is possible it isn't likely to have evolved intelligent life.

Exoplanet created in a large star clusters is not likely to have life on them now or for very short spans, supernovas is a constant threat to exoplanet that can essentially make an entire planet sterile. Earth isn't under the threat of one, any supernova stars within 30 light years has the potential to wipe a planet clean of any and all life.

While supernova's is a danger another danger is that pulsars and quasars not all solar systems are equal while it is rare for solar system to be close to neighboring pulsars and quasars, it isn't out the question.

Galaxies are constantly merging and colliding, all round good to time to be had.

Our galaxy is heading straight for another galaxy in a few billion years ours asses will be toast, but before our sun consumes us in a fit of rage. In fact while the sun will eventually become a white dwarf, the sun will heat up enough in the next few millions years, enough to boil off all out oceans and atmosphere.

there is 99.99% chance for single cell life. 1 in 10 million for intelligent life, that number goes higher and higher, if you account for all the variables.Quickly get to the point where it is 1 in 100 billion.

All the variables needs to be met. It is like trying to throw a spear from one end of galaxy and hitting the target at the other end.

I mean it is dangerous and illogical assumption that every other intelligent life form out there is capable of space travel let alone intelligent life.

The odds are there is life, but billions of space traveling civilizations ..........pitch please. The odds is heavily stacked against it to a unfathomable number. Considering the fast distances of space travel. The universal truth is any all civilizations sending people out to earth would be taking a one way ticket here, as it will take several generations of the species to travel here. For the simple fact you can't travel faster than speed of light and even if you did it could take thousands of years if not millions to do so.

By the time any alien civilization reaches us we could be lonnnnng dead, or left the solar system altogether considering we need to leave eventually before our own demise. The probability and new reality will be a space traveling culture that will need to self sustain them in the vacuum of space for millions of years trying to find a habitual planet with the right conditions.

I think this pretty much sums up my sentiment

The you get AI slop like this that gets quoted and cut out of context

Fck you people are easily brain washed.

 

[wingnut771]

I rest my case.

 

[wizardofid]

I rest my case.

Yeah would be cool if you actually had one....It is like saying the moon is made of cheese, without presenting evidence it is not made of cheese or is made of cheese and merely making a statement, doesn't make it true or a nor case.....

Telling me to watch a video as evidence doesn't make it true, give me observable and quantifiable evidence I can't refute.

Can you refute that the universe is chaotic and hostile to life. ?

Why is these sightings only ever close to military installations ?

The universe is moving towards an ever increasing state of entropy.

If aliens are out there, they are conveniently hidden and out of sight.

We have large array radio telescopes, that can scan wide areas of space and still not able to detect life.

We have captured and observed, planetary collisions, stars colliding, pulsars, quasars, black holes, black hole collisions, binary star systems. We have a 3 triple star system not 2.4 light years away we have closely observed and made new discoveries about it. Observed star formation, galaxy collisions, observed matter falling into a black hole, billions of light years away.

But yet here on earth, in a digital age with every smart phone with their hi-res cameras take anything but a grainy or poor quality video or picture.

Of course you're making the assumption I am saying aliens aren't real, I am not saying that, there is most definitely life out there in the universe, it is more than likely simple life forms rather than intelligent ones.

I am saying they have not visited earth and a ever increasing likely hood as the universe expands that they never will in the future.

I am more inclined to believe a multiverse theory more than aliens having visited the earth, Quantum Mechanics has better established theories than aliens having visited and both are unproven and entirely untested.

Like my man said, if aliens do visit, hit them over the head and drag his ass into a town square for all to see.

 

[Brian_G]

Anyone here seen a UFO?
Long ago my father and brother saw one in a rainstorm on the M1 highway in Jo'burg. (I don't recall details except that they were very excited.)

If so, how sure were you of what it may have been?

 

[Jet-Fighter7700]

while you do make some decent points @wizardofid and while I hear what you saying about goverment cover ups,
we do know for a fact Goverments hide the truth from Joe public, always has, always will ,

whether its politicians infidelity, Epstein, Zuma, Trump, Netanyahu or whoever you like, Governments NEVER tell the truth.

and something like Alien Life being found, will make the governments accountable to the people who will ask some seriously tough questions. and cause a ripple effect, almost like Pandora's box being opened,

for instance if the aliens harness Fusion power, limitless cheap energy from a pellet the size of a Orange.
the why do we need coal and oil? why do we need fission even? entire industries with Millions of workers and huge budgets will go up in smoke.

okay, the Aliens can travel interstellar distances by folding space in on itself, and shortening the distance to the edge of the universe, making the travel time to another star system a matter of years, not generations.
why hasn't that been made available?

of what if the aliens can build things easily with super accuracy on a titanic scale by harnessing atoms on a molecular level, a 3d printer of parts as it will, that can build something gigantic in hours, not years, and with incredible accuracy.
why would we need steel and concrete and foundries and all the rest of it?

what if the aliens can feed Gigantic populations with cheaply available and nourishing food on a industrial scale, why would we need farms and all the rest of it?

my point is, dearest Wizard, if the technology exists and its somehow been reverse engineered by Humans, and is not in our grubby paws,
firstly who says we will use it for good? and secondly wont that annihilate some industries that employ millions of people?

all legitimate questions, I mean look at what the Atom bomb did, we can easily kill 8 billion people in Min with destructive potential left over.

so what if the Aliens exist, saw our destructive and violent natures, and either keeping well away, or waiting for us to develop further along to where we wont destroy the world and everybody on it.

a prime directive of sorts? develop Fusion power on your own, start using it to wean yourselves from Oil and coal,
and then we will make ourselves known to you, hopefully when your species has "matured" enough to get access to such advanced technology.

again while there isnt hard evidence of Aliens, how do we know there isnt huge resources employed to keep it that way.

as Agent K said it best, Individuals are smart, people are dumb, panicy, destructive and ignorant.

 

[Brian_G]

Very, very few top individuals would have knowledge of the aliens, so wouldn't be nearly as hard to hide as normal secrets.

 

[Mariner]

You forget that it's possible to bend space; wormhole theory. There's always someone new thinking out the box, nothing is set in stone IMHO.

Wormhole hypothesis. It has not been proven; therefore, it cannot be a theory.

 

[Mariner]

You should read this:
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Michael Tellinger? The crackpot who proposed that some rocks in Mpumalanga were an ancient calendar? He was the lead in Joseph's Technicolour Dreamcoat when he was an actor and was on some strong stuff. He ran in an election as the Ubuntu Party. To show how cracpot he is, here is a description of the party's manifesto:

Michael Tellinger founded the Ubuntu Party in South Africa in 2012, which aimed to promote the principles of Ubuntu Contributionism and sought to eliminate the need for government while providing free resources to society. The party became inactive around 2020 and did not contest elections after 2016

Wikipedia mg.co.za

He didn't get many votes and is now writing crackpot pseudoscience books spun off from the likes of Erich von Daniken, who, in turn, was a spin off of earlier authors.

 

[Dave]

while you do make some decent points @wizardofid and while I hear what you saying about goverment cover ups,
we do know for a fact Goverments hide the truth from Joe public, always has, always will ,

whether its politicians infidelity, Epstein, Zuma, Trump, Netanyahu or whoever you like, Governments NEVER tell the truth.

and something like Alien Life being found, will make the governments accountable to the people who will ask some seriously tough questions. and cause a ripple effect, almost like Pandora's box being opened,

for instance if the aliens harness Fusion power, limitless cheap energy from a pellet the size of a Orange.
the why do we need coal and oil? why do we need fission even? entire industries with Millions of workers and huge budgets will go up in smoke.

okay, the Aliens can travel interstellar distances by folding space in on itself, and shortening the distance to the edge of the universe, making the travel time to another star system a matter of years, not generations.
why hasn't that been made available?

of what if the aliens can build things easily with super accuracy on a titanic scale by harnessing atoms on a molecular level, a 3d printer of parts as it will, that can build something gigantic in hours, not years, and with incredible accuracy.
why would we need steel and concrete and foundries and all the rest of it?

what if the aliens can feed Gigantic populations with cheaply available and nourishing food on a industrial scale, why would we need farms and all the rest of it?

my point is, dearest Wizard, if the technology exists and its somehow been reverse engineered by Humans, and is not in our grubby paws,
firstly who says we will use it for good? and secondly wont that annihilate some industries that employ millions of people?

all legitimate questions, I mean look at what the Atom bomb did, we can easily kill 8 billion people in Min with destructive potential left over.

so what if the Aliens exist, saw our destructive and violent natures, and either keeping well away, or waiting for us to develop further along to where we wont destroy the world and everybody on it.

a prime directive of sorts? develop Fusion power on your own, start using it to wean yourselves from Oil and coal,
and then we will make ourselves known to you, hopefully when your species has "matured" enough to get access to such advanced technology.

again while there isnt hard evidence of Aliens, how do we know there isnt huge resources employed to keep it that way.

as Agent K said it best, Individuals are smart, people are dumb, panicy, destructive and ignorant.

Do you know sci-fi programs like Star Wars or Star Trek are fiction and not documentaries?

 

[wizardofid]

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You seem to think scientists are controlled by the government. In truth, outside of NASA, most research is privately funded. NASA’s budget is only about $26 billion—roughly 0.37% of the U.S. federal budget. The U.S. government has little direct control or vested interest in independent scientific study.

Fusion and Speed of Light
Fusion isn’t limitless energy—it’s still a finite fuel source in the sense once you leave a resource you only have the fuel you have with you. According to E=mc², the faster something travels, the more energy is required to accelerate it. As an object approaches light speed, its energy requirement becomes infinite. No amount of fuel can get you there. Light itself doesn’t accelerate—it always moves at light speed. Photons have zero rest mass and instantly move at c unless slowed by matter.

Simply put, aliens aren’t flying armadas here. The energy cost is infinite. Even if you could reach near-light speed, the g-forces would crush you instantly. Accelerating or decelerating at that rate would be lethal. This isn’t a technology issue but a problem of physics—mass, gravity, and energy.

Realistic Projects
There’s a real project to send a coin-sized probe to Proxima Centauri using lasers and light sails—reaching maybe 20% of light speed. Even then, it would take 20 years, and that’s for 20 grams. Accelerating a 20-ton ship to that speed would require more energy than humanity has ever produced and likely a 100 times more.

Space Hazards
Space isn’t empty. It’s full of dust and micrometeoroids that constantly hit the ISS, slowly eroding its hull. At higher speeds, those impacts would be catastrophic. Space radiation is another killer—cosmic rays, solar radiation, and magnetic fields like Jupiter’s deadly magnetosphere, which stretches millions of kilometers. Even passing near large planets could be fatal due to radiation exposure.

Survival in space isn’t just about speed—it’s about enduring an environment designed to kill you quietly and efficiently.

Wormholes and Space Folding
Wormholes are theoretical. While math allows for spacetime curvature, folding space so points A and B coexist would need an impossible amount of mass—more than the universe itself. We know gravity bends space, but large-scale “folding” remains fiction.

Dark Matter and Energy
Dark matter and dark energy shape galaxies, yet we still don’t know what they are. Galaxies shouldn’t hold together with visible matter alone—dark matter’s unseen gravity does the job, there is no reason to believe that will allow for space travel either.

Materials and 3D Printing
We understand atomic structures, but you can’t just “3D print” advanced materials in bulk. Different atoms need specific reactions to bond—heat, chemistry, or pressure. Steel, tungsten alloys, and other metals depend on atomic alignment and treatment to achieve strength. Metal 3D printing introduces stress and fractures that still need heat treatment. Large-scale printing in space is impractical.

Resources are also finite. Planetary composition depends on local matter from star and planet formation. Earth’s elements came from gas clouds and later asteroid impacts. Other worlds differ wildly—some rain molten glass or metal.

Nuclear Myths and Alien Tech
We don’t have enough nukes to kill everyone instantly. Fallout, famine, and radiation would, eventually. So, assuming every alien race is vastly ahead of us is absurd.

Stellar Lifetimes and Habitability
The universe is ~13 billion years old; our solar system only 4.6 billion. G-type stars like our Sun live about 10 billion years, offering a relatively stable environment—but they’re rare, only 5–10% of all stars. Most stars are unstable or hostile to life. Red dwarfs, though common, emit violent flares that sterilize planets. Hypergiants like UY Scuti live only a few million years and end in deadly hypernovae, which can sterilize any surrounding stars system within 160 light years.

Stable stars are crucial. Only a tiny fraction (around 5–10%) can sustain life long enough for it to evolve. Of those, only ~56% are single stars; the rest are binary or multiple systems, which are less stable for habitable orbits, it can but less likely.

Cosmic Context
Not all stars or life forms are at the same evolutionary stage. Some may have perished billions of years ago; others haven’t yet formed. Life might be extremely rare or incredibly abundant—we simply don’t know. The Fermi Paradox remains unresolved. Given how hostile the universe is, rarity seems more likely.

For intelligent life to arise, evolve, build technology, travel space, and find Earth requires astronomical luck. Even then, not all intelligent species would become explorers. Some may have destroyed themselves, regressed, or never developed the will or means to travel. Others may simply not know we exist.

Evidence (or Lack Thereof)
There’s zero credible evidence that aliens have visited Earth—none. Believing otherwise without proof is irrational. We still haven’t found Bigfoot or the Yeti on our own planet, and we’re discovering new species every year.

If we can’t find evidence of terrestrial mysteries under our noses, what makes anyone think aliens have secretly come and gone?

Until we have physical, verifiable evidence—not anecdotes or speculation—the only logical conclusion is: there’s no proof aliens have ever visited Earth. Videos is no scientific evidence and it doesn't only apply to aliens. Pretty much every scientific study.

Why are you using hypothetical pseudoscience to make an argument, how about using real and actual science to counter.

Statically secrets always leaks,For a secret of that scale to hold, you’d need every world power, telescope, scientist, and amateur astronomer to be complicit, for decades, with zero leaks. Really ? It is physically impossible.

 

[wingnut771]

Michael Tellinger? The crackpot who proposed that some rocks in Mpumalanga were an ancient calendar? He was the lead in Joseph's Technicolour Dreamcoat when he was an actor and was on some strong stuff. He ran in an election as the Ubuntu Party. To show how cracpot he is, here is a description of the party's manifesto:

Michael Tellinger founded the Ubuntu Party in South Africa in 2012, which aimed to promote the principles of Ubuntu Contributionism and sought to eliminate the need for government while providing free resources to society. The party became inactive around 2020 and did not contest elections after 2016

Wikipedia mg.co.za

He didn't get many votes and is now writing crackpot pseudoscience books spun off from the likes of Erich von Daniken, who, in turn, was a spin off of earlier authors.

Explain the missing link then. It’s not him saying these things but rather the Sumerians. Do you not think there a Planet X orbiting our sun on a 3600 year orbit? Can you explain what happened to the asteroid belt? They can.

 

[RiaX]

The universe is simply too big to not have life elsewhere. Even if the odds are astronomically small it should still exist.

Remember we looking at things in the past so the light reaching us from distant objects is ancient there might be intelligent life there currently but we will only detect it in a million years time. Remember humanity's radio signal is what almost a 100 years old ? So we will only be detectable in a 100 light year sphere and even then our early signals might be so distorted it might be dismissed.

It's highly unlikely we've been visited by aliens but they surely exist. It it possible that it's not possible to leave ones star system. No matter the evolutionary processes that created life it would be a slow and highly specific process that would make it difficult to be space faring as intelligent life would be complex life. The only possibility of being interstellar or intergalactic would have to be an Ai based machine lifeform.

 

[wizardofid]

Explain the missing link then. It’s not him saying these things but rather the Sumerians. Do you not think there a Planet X orbiting our sun on a 3600 year orbit? Can you explain what happened to the asteroid belt? They can.

You do know the "missing link" is an outdated term, it implies a single missing fossil that proves evolution, it is a misnomer.

“Ah yes... the old Sumerians knew about Planet X on a 3600-year orbit before telescopes even existed... totally checks out. The missing link? Yeah... turns out evolution doesn’t give us a fossil selfie for every single species... shocking, right? We’ve actually found loads of transitional fossils, but sure, aliens sound cooler.

And Planet X... if a massive planet was swinging by every few thousand years, we’d have seen it tugging the other planets around like marionettes. Astronomers track rocks smaller than your car, but somehow this giant mystery planet just... hides perfectly?

As for the asteroid belt... it’s not the remains of some blown-up planet... it’s just space rubble that never got its act together because Jupiter kept messing with it. No cosmic explosion conspiracy required... just physics doing its boring, predictable thing.”

 

[wingnut771]

You do know the "missing link" is an outdated term, it implies a single missing fossil that proves evolution, it is a misnomer.

“Ah yes... the old Sumerians knew about Planet X on a 3600-year orbit before telescopes even existed... totally checks out. The missing link? Yeah... turns out evolution doesn’t give us a fossil selfie for every single species... shocking, right? We’ve actually found loads of transitional fossils, but sure, aliens sound cooler.

And Planet X... if a massive planet was swinging by every few thousand years, we’d have seen it tugging the other planets around like marionettes. Astronomers track rocks smaller than your car, but somehow this giant mystery planet just... hides perfectly?

As for the asteroid belt... it’s not the remains of some blown-up planet... it’s just space rubble that never got its act together because Jupiter kept messing with it. No cosmic explosion conspiracy required... just physics doing its boring, predictable thing.”

Why are there ancient stories of two suns in the sky?

 

[Jet-Fighter7700]

Very, very few top individuals would have knowledge of the aliens, so wouldn't be nearly as hard to hide as normal secrets.

this, exactly my point that @wizardofid seems to miss,
even top politicians DONT know about the Aliens, only very few isolated people that are very heavily monitored and privileged know about the aliens, and what secret work is being done to reverse engineer their technology, and culture,

its a fact that governments lie, we can all agree there? the question is how big of a cover up exists.

and while your points make some sense, I'm always asking myself to think bigger, what if we simply haven't discovered things, its almost like the the speed of sound being broken, Pilots never believed it could be broken, until it was, and today we have craft that easily exceed it by many times.

after all it was only 50 years between the Wright brothers first flight and the first object in space.

if we discover something even by accident, we would very quickly get refined into something that can cross the vast empty expanses of the universe and allow Humanity to become multi-planetary, and evolve further under different environmental conditions.

 

[wizardofid]

this, exactly my point that @wizardofid seems to miss,
even top politicians DONT know about the Aliens, only very few isolated people that are very heavily monitored and privileged know about the aliens, and what secret work is being done to reverse engineer their technology, and culture,

its a fact that governments lie, we can all agree there? the question is how big of a cover up exists.

and while your points make some sense, I'm always asking myself to think bigger, what if we simply haven't discovered things, its almost like the the speed of sound being broken, Pilots never believed it could be broken, until it was, and today we have craft that easily exceed it by many times.

after all it was only 50 years between the Wright brothers first flight and the first object in space.

if we discover something even by accident, we would very quickly get refined into something that can cross the vast empty expanses of the universe and allow Humanity to become multi-planetary, and evolve further under different environmental conditions.

Sure, governments lie, that’s a given........but that doesn’t automatically mean they’re hiding aliens. Governments lie about mundane stuff all the time: corruption, scandals, money trails, shady deals, etc. That’s their comfort zone. But when you talk about a massive secret like alien tech and contact, it’s not just one government — it’d have to involve hundreds of governments, military branches, scientists, private contractors, and decades of employees all staying completely silent. That’s basically impossible. Humans leak everything — from military blueprints to celebrity gossip — yet somehow no one’s ever leaked hard alien proof?

And yeah, thinking big is good, we should imagine what’s possible. But “we just haven’t discovered it yet” doesn’t mean “it’s already discovered and being hidden.” The Wright brothers comparison works the other way too, it wasn’t hidden tech, it was open innovation. Once someone cracked flight, everyone saw it and built on it. Real science builds publicly, not secretly.

The whole “only a few isolated people know the truth” thing also sounds cool in movies, but in real life, that’s not how science or technology works. To reverse-engineer something as advanced as alien tech, you’d need entire teams, labs, engineers, physicists and all of them would need to communicate, publish data, and use public infrastructure. That stuff leaves a huge paper trail, not whispers in secret bunkers.

Honestly, the “we’re being observed until we mature” theory is way more plausible philosophically than the “we already have alien ships in Area 51” idea. If aliens are real and advanced, they don’t need to land in Nevada they can just watch from light years away without us even knowing.

So yeah, governments lie — but they lie to protect themselves, not to protect the galaxy.

 

[EmmanuelGoldstein]

Governments do lie
However, you don’t need governments to hide things from you to discover them yourself.