Do you believe aliens exist?

Do you believe aliens exist?

  • Yes

    Votes: 351 69.1%

  • No

    Votes: 105 20.7%

  • Other

    Votes: 52 10.2%
  • Total voters
    508
Brian_G said:
Think deeper - like US secret stealth aircraft, no patents required
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No think smarter, like I said if you were aware of patents and how they work, US secret projects have patents, these are filed as classified patents and isn't made public after the normal 18 month period. Your assumption that the US doesn't file or build on existing public patents, is patently is false......(had to add a pun)


FYI go look up the invention secrecy act of 1961
 
Talking in circles, back to the point about few people knowing = likely reliable secrecy.

But anyway... done for now
 
wingnut771 said:
Why can we see the gravity affect of Planet X?
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We see disturbances in the kuiper belt, this suggests there might be a large body outside of pluto and remains outside that orbit. It never ventures anywhere near the inner solar system. The planet is so far out there isn't even remotely enough light on it's surface to detect it. It is hypothetical, if there were another planet it's orbit it so far out, any gravitational forces are minuet, Kepler's second law also applies.


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wizardofid said:
We see disturbances in the kuiper belt, this suggests there might be a large body outside of pluto and remains outside that orbit. It never ventures anywhere near the inner solar system. The planet is so far out there isn't even remotely enough light on it's surface to detect it. It is hypothetical, if there were another planet it's orbit it so far out, any gravitational forces are minuet, Kepler's second law also applies.


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Why is there a planet out there? Are you saying our ancestors are lying?
 
JuliusSeizure said:
Yeah, someone would have spilt the beans or found a way to and had more evidence than Bob Lazar.
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how do you know they didnt "try" to come forward, and instantly get unalived, by a stealth drone the size of a Wasp

I for one point to Israel in times like this and say look at how the Israeli's pulled off probably one of the most amazing things ever seen, that nobody would have believed, the pager assassinations in Lebanon, where tiny blocks of C4 were placed in operational pagers,

that all went off at precisely the same time taking out terrorists, en mass, where those pagers were being used and operational for years.

now look at the logistics of it, engineers, scientists, designers, logistics and all the rest o fit, and how it stayed secret for all of these years, even among Israeli society, nobody would have believed Israel could do such a thing.

Governments CAN and have Proven they can keep something as big and as complex as a secret assassination plot undercover,
(especially the Israelis) but if you scale that up 100 times,
and have a few governments all co-operating in secret, all working in isolation, but co-operating between themselves, and all using captured alien tech or reaching out to "emissaries" being Aliens who are here to make a deal, and "sell" or license something.

then it becomes completely possible to hide alien tech in plain sight, with people saying, I don't believe in Aliens, there is no hard proof they exist, when your probably typing on a piece of alien tech, that Humans couldn't possibly have designed and build.

my point being is the average Joe knows nothing and keeps their mind closed, its just Taxes, babies, death for most people,
but then you have people who constantly ask, why, and never satisfied with the answer one gets, until one day they discover the answer and it isn't what they been told for their entire lives, its something hidden in plain sight.
 
Brian_G said:
Talking in circles, back to the point about few people knowing = likely reliable secrecy.

But anyway... done for now
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You’ve only mentioned hypotheticals and theories — not facts. It’s a verified fact that classified patents exist; we know this because the U.S. government has declassified some in the past and made them public.


Instead of trying to “win” an argument using untested, unproven theories or pseudoscience, why not rely on real, established science to support your points?


Why avoid using solid frameworks like the Fermi Paradox, particle entanglement, or quantum physics — all of which are grounded in actual scientific research? It’s much easier to lean on far-fetched, untestable ideas that can’t be proven (or disproven) at all. But that doesn’t make them valid — it just makes them convenient.
 
Jet-Fighter7700 said:
how do you know they didnt "try" to come forward, and instantly get unalived, by a stealth drone the size of a Wasp

I for one point to Israel in times like this and say look at how the Israeli's pulled off probably one of the most amazing things ever seen, that nobody would have believed, the pager assassinations in Lebanon, where tiny blocks of C4 were placed in operational pagers,

that all went off at precisely the same time taking out terrorists, en mass, where those pagers were being used and operational for years.

now look at the logistics of it, engineers, scientists, designers, logistics and all the rest o fit, and how it stayed secret for all of these years, even among Israeli society, nobody would have believed Israel could do such a thing.

Governments CAN and have Proven they can keep something as big and as complex as a secret assassination plot undercover,
(especially the Israelis) but if you scale that up 100 times,
and have a few governments all co-operating in secret, all working in isolation, but co-operating between themselves, and all using captured alien tech or reaching out to "emissaries" being Aliens who are here to make a deal, and "sell" or license something.

then it becomes completely possible to hide alien tech in plain sight, with people saying, I don't believe in Aliens, there is no hard proof they exist, when your probably typing on a piece of alien tech, that Humans couldn't possibly have designed and build.

my point being is the average Joe knows nothing and keeps their mind closed, its just Taxes, babies, death for most people,
but then you have people who constantly ask, why, and never satisfied with the answer one gets, until one day they discover the answer and it isn't what they been told for their entire lives, its something hidden in plain sight.
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there’s a huge difference between a covert op like the pager thing and a global alien cover-up.


Yeah, Israel pulled off something crazy and secret — props where it’s due. But that was a small-scale, human-made operation involving a few hundred people, limited tech, and a clear goal. That’s not even remotely the same as “multiple governments hiding contact with aliens.”


If you scale it up to that level, you’re talking thousands of people across rival countries, working for decades, building infrastructure, sharing tech, and somehow not one person leaks a photo, file, or even a blurry PowerPoint? In a world where we can’t even keep classified jet blueprints or celebrity DMs private? Come on.


And the whole “you’re typing on alien tech” thing sounds cool, but we literally have a paper trail for all of it — transistors, semiconductors, microchips — all invented, improved, and documented step by step by real engineers. No mystery jump from “cave paintings” to “MacBooks.”


Sure, governments keep secrets — that’s their thing. But an interplanetary tech exchange hidden for 80 years? That’s not secrecy, that’s science fiction. Sometimes people just fill in the blanks when there’s no evidence, because “they’re hiding it” sounds more exciting than “we don’t have proof.”
 
wingnut771 said:
Why is there a planet out there? Are you saying our ancestors are lying?
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Ancestors saw many unexplained things, from meteors, to supernovas, and various other things. It is primitive story telling at its best,many ancient stories have been embellished over time, as oral traditions, cultural interpretations, and the retelling across generations often lead to the addition of details, exaggerations, or moralistic elements.

In other words you shouldn't take their word for it
 
wizardofid said:
Ancestors saw many unexplained things, from meteors, to supernovas, and various other things. It is primitive story telling at its best,many ancient stories have been embellished over time, as oral traditions, cultural interpretations, and the retelling across generations often lead to the addition of details, exaggerations, or moralistic elements.

In other words you shouldn't take their word for it
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Yes but why is there a planet out there 10 times heavier than the earth?
 
wingnut771 said:
Yes but why is there a planet out there 10 times heavier than the earth?
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No you are making the mistake of, the math says so it must be true approach. Math says it is possible that X, Y ,Z is there. Math does not make assumptions about whether something is true or not. Math says it could exist, it doesn't mean it does.
 
wizardofid said:
Yeah, Israel pulled off something crazy and secret — props where it’s due. But that was a small-scale, human-made operation involving a few hundred people, limited tech, and a clear goal. That’s not even remotely the same as “multiple governments hiding contact with aliens.”
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Yeah that's called terrorism.


Aliens exist. My book tells me so.
 
wizardofid said:
No you are making the mistake of, the math says so it must be true approach. Math says it is possible that X, Y ,Z is there. Math does not make assumptions about whether something is true or not. Math says it could exist, it doesn't mean it does.
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Gravity doesn't lie though?
 
wingnut771 said:
Gravity doesn't lie though?
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there’s a pretty big difference. Math is all about logic and proofs — you start with some basic rules (axioms) and then everything you “prove” just follows from that. You don’t even need to check the real world. Like, a triangle in Euclid’s world always has angles adding up to 180°, no measuring required.


Empirical science is a whole different beast. It’s all about checking stuff in the real world. You make a hypothesis, run experiments or observe, and see if reality agrees. Even if your idea makes perfect sense on paper, if the data doesn’t back it up, it’s out.


So basically: math = certainty within a system, empirical science = best guess about reality based on evidence.
 
wizardofid said:
there’s a pretty big difference. Math is all about logic and proofs — you start with some basic rules (axioms) and then everything you “prove” just follows from that. You don’t even need to check the real world. Like, a triangle in Euclid’s world always has angles adding up to 180°, no measuring required.


Empirical science is a whole different beast. It’s all about checking stuff in the real world. You make a hypothesis, run experiments or observe, and see if reality agrees. Even if your idea makes perfect sense on paper, if the data doesn’t back it up, it’s out.


So basically: math = certainty within a system, empirical science = best guess about reality based on evidence.
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I guess we will just have to wait for it to get closer so we can see it with our telescopes.
 
wingnut771 said:
Gravity doesn't lie though?
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Gravity is weird and is not uniform.

Lensing, Roche limits, La Gange points...

In many ways, gravity is acting as more of a placeholder than a well defined force.

One day we may discover it was all just evil pixies.. Until then, it works. For a given value of "works".
 
rustypup said:
Gravity is weird and is not uniform.

Lensing, Roche limits, La Gange points...

In many ways, gravity is acting as more of a placeholder than a well defined force.

One day we may discover it was all just evil pixies.. Until then, it works. For a given value of "works".
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place holder like dark energy and dark matter?
 
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