Do you believe aliens exist?

Do you believe aliens exist?

  • Yes

    Votes: 351 69.1%

  • No

    Votes: 105 20.7%

  • Other

    Votes: 52 10.2%
  • Total voters
    508
wizardofid said:
How do I say it without sounding like a speciesist. Some have a little more neanderthal genes that most.....A few of us didn’t get the memo on evolving past clubbing things with sticks
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The folks that disappear on a Wednesday and Friday afternoon? :whistling:
 
Jings said:
The gasps for air and wretching was not the alien, but Dr Jonathan Reed, like a guy passed out at a gym.

Why wouldn't a carbon based lifeform evolve lungs? Many claims have been made that ancients (prior civilization) live underground and in the ocean. US government coined the term "non human". Anomalous crafts and beings aren't necessarily out of this world.

While filming the his investigation of the being, there were a number of close ups. Just like in the 1996 Varginha case, the film is blurry.






The fake hovering craft by George Adamski was obvious. The landing struts were lightbulbs with the GE logo written on them.

But not everything is an obvious debunk. Take for example Bob Lazar with the disinformation campaign against him, and the evidence that surfaced decades later that has vindicated him.
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Honestly dude, I lost interest yesterday already. If you haven’t noticed, I don’t give two fcks — it’s not worth the time or the digital ink it’s written on. About the same value as my morning bowel movement: gone, flushed, and forgotten.


But hey, you do you. If you want to believe in little green/pink/grey/orange men, knock yourself out. I’m not here to stop you. My mind’s pretty much made up — there’s overwhelming scientific theory and evidence suggesting otherwise. I’d rather not muddy the scientific pool with hearsay and “yet to be proven” bedtime stories.

I tend not to engage with people who refuse to see logic or reason — it’s counterproductive, fruitless, and frankly a waste of oxygen and bandwidth.


But by all means, carry on. I enjoy seeing how the other half lives, from time to time.......
 
Questions - a thought exercise.

What is life?

What is intelligent life?

If intelligent aliens exist, would we be able to recognize them?
 
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ said:
Questions - a thought exercise.

What is life?
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It isn't really a hard question, it is pretty much anything biological in nature, that is organic in nature, that have cell reproduction, intakes energy for survival and growth

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What is intelligent life?
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It’s not just being alive it’s having the ability to think, reason, and make decisions beyond basic survival instincts.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯ said:
If intelligent aliens exist, would we be able to recognize them?
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Look, if aliens are out there, they’re probably not gonna stroll up like little green Steve Jobs with two eyes and feet. That’s just us being greedy for familiar shapes. They could be slimy, floaty, made of crystals, or just giant glowing fart clouds for all we know. And honestly, that’s fine. As long as they’ve got some way to not completely dissolve into space soup, we can call that life.

They need to store info somewhere, because nobody wants to reinvent the alien wheel every generation. They need energy, because even space spaghetti gets hangry. And they gotta reproduce and evolve, otherwise they’re just space fossils waiting to happen.So yeah, don’t expect them to blink or wave. They might look like a horror movie had a baby with your leftover chemistry homework. But somewhere under all that chaos, cells are doing their boring little life thing, and evolution is still running the show.

Basically, life in space is messy, weird, and probably terrifying—but also nerdy enough that we can recognize it if we squint really hard and maybe bring snacks.
 
I mean I do believe in the existence of life out there somewhere, so yeah in aliens. But have the visited us? Probably not no.
 
Moosedrool said:
The conditions required for carbon-based life is a very narrow window on a relatively hot planet compared to most of the universe. You could argue silicone is probable at colder or much hotter temperatures and pressures where it's more stable. Liquid nitrogen or methane could be its living conditions.
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While completely agnostic as to the existence of alien beings or civilizations, I find the research being done on alternative evolution quite fascinating. Check out Lee Cronin's work. Pure chemistry. The advances in AI and the ability to run billions of simulations has pushed forward some very interesting theories.
 
Lupus said:
I mean I do believe in the existence of life out there somewhere, so yeah in aliens. But have the visited us? Probably not no.
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I swear, explaining the difference between science fiction and real science is one of the hardest things these days. Science fiction is meant to sound scientific. Real science, is way weirder and far less cooperative with human logic.

We kind of did this to ourselves. We keep trying to shrink the universe down to something our little brains can digest, turning cosmic phenomena into neat metaphors that fit in a movie plot. Then you drop something like, “Hey, some light out there has traveled so far it will never reach us,” and watch someone’s eyes glaze over..... Their brain tries to run the numbers for a second, realizes it’s hopeless, and just gives up. You can see the existential lag set in and the windows error sound play, freeze and get stuck in a boot loop.
 
wizardofid said:
I swear, explaining the difference between science fiction and real science is one of the hardest things these days. Science fiction is meant to sound scientific. Real science, is way weirder and far less cooperative with human logic.

We kind of did this to ourselves. We keep trying to shrink the universe down to something our little brains can digest, turning cosmic phenomena into neat metaphors that fit in a movie plot. Then you drop something like, “Hey, some light out there has traveled so far it will never reach us,” and watch someone’s eyes glaze over..... Their brain tries to run the numbers for a second, realizes it’s hopeless, and just gives up. You can see the existential lag set in and the windows error sound play, freeze and get stuck in a boot loop.
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Science fiction is just that fiction :-) there to entertain us, real science is there to teach us :-). I love science fiction, especially when it does inspire some of us to try work towards that goal, but will we ever really achieve it? Probably not, or we might exceed it, look at what the early 1900s thought we'd have by now, in a lot of cases we didn't reach their lofty goals but in others we exceeded it.
The transistor helped a lot.
 
Lupus said:
I mean I do believe in the existence of life out there somewhere, so yeah in aliens. But have the visited us? Probably not no.
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I am in this camp too.

There are so many stars in our galaxy alone. It's entirely possible life sprouted up somewhere else out there like it did with us. Considering the scale of the universe I'd be surprised if it hasn't. There may also be forms of life we haven't fathomed yet because we don't have a reference point for how it would work. Is it carbon based? Who knows.

The idea that aliens zoom around in aerial hubcaps molesting cows in the American mid-west? Nah.
 
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ said:
Questions - a thought exercise.

What is life?

What is intelligent life?

If intelligent aliens exist, would we be able to recognize them?
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For something to be alive it usually has to meet a handful of criteria:

It must have some sort of metabolic process whereby it grows.

It must be able to reproduce.

Must be capable of homeostasis.

Response to stimuli.

Even that definition starts to get flakey when you hit things like viruses and prions though. If we struggle to distinguish life from non-life even here on our own planet, just imagine the trouble we'd have with alien life.
 
porchrat said:
For something to be alive it usually has to meet a handful of criteria:

It must have some sort of metabolic process whereby it grows.

It must be able to reproduce.

Must be capable of homeostasis.

Response to stimuli.

Even that definition starts to get flakey when you hit things like viruses and prions though. If we struggle to distinguish life from non-life even here on our own planet, just imagine the trouble we'd have with alien life.
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You will know it when you see it
 
Lupus said:
Bacteria, maybe simple life. Sentient who knows it could be plausible. There is much we don't know.
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It is more plausible for single cell, a bacteria is very much specific and targeted to our earthly environments, bacteria also evolved and mutated over millions and millions of years. There is nothing to suggest that another life form, would even be remotely impacted by bacteria. DNA/RNA is an earthly concept not a universal one.

Biochemistry beyond our planet is far less predictable, filled with far more unknowns than knowns
 
Enzo Matrix said:
You will know it when you see it
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Not necessarily.

Is a virus alive? You can see it. It's debatable whether it's actually alive or not.

Is a prion alive? You can see it. It's debatable whether it's actually alive or not.

This is not an inherent problem with alien life. It's a deficiency in our own definitions of what life is.
 
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Karl Nell, a retired U.S. Army Colonel, laid out a controlled-disclosure timeline for UAP/NHI culminating in October 2030. He has held high-level military/strategic roles and now describes himself as an aerospace executive and UAP-advocacy figure.

At a talk the Sol Foundation symposium in November 2023, he proposed a model where Phase 1 (government acceptance) was done, Phase 2 (academic acceptance) by ~2026, and full public understanding by October 1, 2030.

Task Force on the Declassification of Federal Secrets (includes UAP transparency and protection of whistleblowers) headed by Rep. Anna Paulina Luna was established in February 2025.

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