Do you think LSD has any benefits?

copacetic

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Rather use (digest) cannabis, this actually in fact does have benefits..... the only down side... you will get judged by people who are uneducated about it.... just watch this space.....

What is the purpose of swapping one drug for another? Different drugs have different effects, and to take a drug because it's a drug strikes me as a bad reason to use something, although I suspect that's not really what you meant..
 

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O and don't forget the music..........

Some friends of mine were tripping, and myself and a bandmate at the time decided to jam some guitar. After a while we realized that two people had vanished, turns out they locked themselves in the bathroom and were bawling their eyes out to escape the aliens we were 'summoning' with our music.

One of those people then proceeded to hallucinate that we had trapped him in a web of human flesh and bone for the remainder of the evening, an experience he was unable to relate to us at the time...

At the same time someone else was watching neon spiders crawl up his wall, and laughing hysterically at this.

I wish I were kidding... :D
 

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Still the best video on YouTube, "with one man climbing the tree to feed the birds" gets me every damn time!

Physical benefits of LSD are probably fairly few and far between, but I do know it was originally developed as a Hydrostatin(draws out water) and coagulant to put in battle wounds in WW1.

Nope...

Albert Hofmann, born in Baden, Switzerland, joined the pharmaceutical-chemical department of Sandoz Laboratories, located in Basel as a co-worker with professor Arthur Stoll, founder and director of the pharmaceutical department.[3] He began studying the medicinal plant squill and the fungus ergot as part of a program to purify and synthesize active constituents for use as pharmaceuticals. His main contribution was to elucidate the chemical structure of the common nucleus of Scilla glycosides (an active principal of Mediterranean Squill).[3] While researching lysergic acid derivatives, Hofmann first synthesized LSD on November 16, 1938.[4] The main intention of the synthesis was to obtain a respiratory and circulatory stimulant (an analeptic). It was set aside for five years, until April 16, 1943, when Hofmann decided to take a second look at it. While re-synthesizing LSD, he accidentally absorbed a small amount of the drug through his fingertips and serendipitously discovered its powerful effects.[5] He described what he felt as being:

... affected by a remarkable restlessness, combined with a slight dizziness. At home I lay down and sank into a not unpleasant intoxicated-like condition, characterized by an extremely stimulated imagination. In a dreamlike state, with eyes closed (I found the daylight to be unpleasantly glaring), I perceived an uninterrupted stream of fantastic pictures, extraordinary shapes with intense, kaleidoscopic play of colors. After some two hours this condition faded away.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_LSD#Discovery
 

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_LSD#Psychiatric_use

Psychiatric use thereof. /\

There are also places (Switzerland, is one, I think) that are allowing psychiatric research into LSD (as well as MDMA) to take place.

As powerful a drug as LSD is, it does not hold a candle to the insanely (truly) dangerous stuff doctors regularly prescribe people, so I am not sure why this is even an issue...
 

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Loaded question if any...

I've taken LSD over 200 times over a period of about 10 years. Last time was about 6 years ago.

I'm successful in my career, happily married and have 3 well adjusted children. I look young for my age and have no physical, mental or emotional issues other that the ADHD which I had way before I ever touched it.

Did it benefit me? Absolutely! My boundaries of what I believe is possible and what the world around me is have been greatly expanded. My understanding of my own mind and how it functions is far ahead of what it was before I imbibed. Did I have difficult experiences? For sure. Thought I was dying (or worse) a few times and spent a few months borderline insane when I overdid it.

Will it benefit you? Is it harmless? Can't say. And I'm pretty sure someone already on the edge can be pushed over (as with cannabis). So while I believe it will be be beneficial for most people I will not recommend it to anyone. I have in fact observed a perfectly normal person have a single bad 1st experience and become much more introverted and insecure as a result. The universe can be a big scary place for some and if you are a fearful person LSD will multiply it 100x.

If on the other have you are an adventurous person who wants to see past their own preconceptions and beliefs even if its bound to be scary at times, then ... well make up your own mind.

This sounds like eminently knowledgeable and good advice.

Me personally? I would love to try it, but I feel my mind is too... dark. At this stage in my cognitive life, I suspect a (very) bad trip is a possibility, which is not something I'd want to experience. :(

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Just about everyone I know who has used it, says that it caused long term changes in their perceptions of the universe, and most of these people are interesting and empathic, so...
 
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http://www.cowboybooks.com.au/html/acidtrip1.html

These 9 drawings were done by an artist under the influence of LSD -- part of a test conducted by the US government during it's dalliance with psychotomimetic drugs in the late 1950's. The artist was given a dose of LSD 25 and free access to an activity box full of crayons and pencils. His subject is the medico that jabbed him.

First drawing is done 20 minutes after the first dose (50ug)

An attending doctor observes - Patient chooses to start drawing with charcoal.

The subject of the experiment reports - 'Condition normal... no effect from the drug yet'.

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85 minutes after first dose and 20 minutes after a second dose has been administered (50ug + 50ug)

The patient seems euphoric.

'I can see you clearly, so clearly. This... you... it's all ... I'm having a little trouble controlling this pencil. It seems to want to keep going.'

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2 hours 30 minutes after first dose.

Patient appears very focus on the business of drawing.

'Outlines seem normal, but very vivid - everything is changing colour. My hand must follow the bold sweep of the lines. I feel as if my consciousness is situated in the part of my body that's now active - my hand, my elbow... my tongue'.

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2 hours 32 minutes after first dose.

Patient seems gripped by his pad of paper.

'I'm trying another drawing. The outlines of the model are normal, but now those of my drawing are not. The outline of my hand is going weird too. It's not a very good drawing is it? I give up - I'll try again...'

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2 hours 35 minutes after first dose.

Patient follows quickly with another drawing.

'I'll do a drawing in one flourish... without stopping... one line, no break!'

Upon completing the drawing the patient starts laughing, then becomes startled by something on the floor.

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2 hours 45 minutes after first dose.

Patient tries to climb into activity box, and is generally agitated - responds slowly to the suggestion he might like to draw some more. He has become largely none verbal.

'I am... everything is... changed... they're calling... your face... interwoven... who is...' Patient mumbles inaudibly to a tune (sounds like 'Thanks for the memory). He changes medium to Tempera.

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4 hours 25 minutes after first dose.

Patient retreated to the bunk, spending approximately 2 hours lying, waving his hands in the air. His return to the activity box is sudden and deliberate, changing media to pen and water colour.

'This will be the best drawing, Like the first one, only better. If I'm not careful I'll lose control of my movements, but I won't, because I know. I know' - (this saying is then repeated many times).

Patient makes the last half-a-dozen strokes of the drawing while running back and forth across the room.

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5 hours 45 minutes after first dose. Patient continues to move about the room, intersecting the space in complex variations. It's an hour and a half before he settles down to draw again - he appears over the effects of the drug. 'I can feel my knees again, I think it's starting to wear off. This is a pretty good drawing - this pencil is mighty hard to hold' - (he is holding a crayon).

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8 hours after first dose.

Patient sits on bunk bed. He reports the intoxication has worn off except for the occational distorting of our faces. We ask for a final drawing which he performs with little enthusiasm.

'I have nothing to say about this last drawing, it is bad and uninteresting, I want to go home now.'

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LSD is an antipsychotic is was created for treatment of psychosis but was later banned due to misuse like most medicines of this calibur (cocaine for example still is the most potent and unmatched local anaesthetic), though I doubt you will be able to procure a pharmaceutical grade LSD therefore I would say no because you have no idea what these okes are 'spiking' it with to improve the high, remember they care not for your health just your top dollar

This is all utter bollocks. LSD is not and has never been used as an antipsychotic. All LSD found is pure: it is a cheap drug to manufacture so thete is little point spiking it with more expensive drugs. Additionally the dose is so much smaller than for any other recreational drug that it would not affect you. 100 picograms is a decent size dose. It is supplied absorbed into a piece of paper 5mm x 8mm. That really is not a lot of volume to cut it with anything.

To answer the op, yes, it has benefits for mental growth.

However, LSD is not for tourists. You need to be able to handle a major psychoactive, so I do not recommend it.
 

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LSD is safer than aspirin!
but the problem is if its pure LSD its safe! and the important question is how can you tell if the drug you are taking is LSD or something else, or mixed with something else?
 

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LSD is an antipsychotic is was created for treatment of psychosis but was later banned due to misuse like most medicines of this calibur (cocaine for example still is the most potent and unmatched local anaesthetic), though I doubt you will be able to procure a pharmaceutical grade LSD therefore I would say no because you have no idea what these okes are 'spiking' it with to improve the high, remember they care not for your health just your top dollar

Missed this great big pile of WTF...

LSD, due to the tiny, tiny dose needed to cause a trip, is probably the least likely drug to be spiked...
 

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Really enjoyed your posts copacetic, i'd like to see more examples of what people are capable of on acid, its actually quite interesting how acid kind of unlocks your brain if I can say that.
 

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I'd avoid it if you don't have a strong sense of self and a decent understanding of how you work. If you have any misconceptions there's a chance they'll get blown out of proportion.

Example: a clueless introvert with a touch of social anxiety walks into a crowded room, gets overwhelmed by the massive stimulus of so many people and conversations, notices someone looking at them, gets slightly embarrassed and makes a quick exit with a blank mind followed by spending several hours later that day wondering why they acted like that.
Same person on acid walks into the room, isn't entirely overwhelmed, 'sees' things like a couple fighting across the room, knows that he cheated on her from the way he glances at some chick walking by; sees someone else looking unhappy and knows they'd rather be somewhere else entirely because they don't like the music; then suddenly gets overwhelmed, but while making the quick exit they catch fragments of conversations (somehow two words become three sentences), they can see people turning and staring without actually looking at them, they have twenty different mental images of themselves leaving the room, head filled with thoughts that are probably critical. When they invariably do the self-analysis later that day, and the next day, and the day after, they're left wondering how it was so easy to read other people, yet they have no clue why they got overwhelmed, and their slight social anxiety is multiplied by the hundreds of eyes that watched them leave. OMG what happens the next time they have to go out in public...

A not so clueless introvert would stand by the door for a few minutes, before going to the bathroom, then entering the room and finding one person they know and talking with them, before leaving after a while, getting a satisfactory self-review on the drive home.
Same person on acid would stand by the door for a while just watching people before maybe sitting down somewhere, noticing colours and the music, and the rush of thoughts and ideas going through their head, laughing at some of the ideas they have about what people are fighting about, before it becomes too much, so they head outside and stare at the sky for a while, but their head doesn't clear up like normal, so they try some breathing exercises, but there is still a rush of thoughts, so they go back to the music which is amazing and they feel better, so they find people they know and have strange conversations before they start getting overwhelmed again etc. They spend a couple of days afterwards relaxing, discarding the irrational thoughts that remain for a while, recuperating.

Almost everyone has different experiences from everyone else, and each time they take it. The strength varies so much, between you being able to be in public to totally dysfunctional. You might be an atheist and spend 6 hours sitting in your car in a parking lot listening to music, happy that God is chilling right in the middle of your head generating the best visualisations you've ever seen (actual time 2 hours). You might get lost in a botanical gardens, before being led to safety, almost in tears, by some ten year old because you couldn't see the concrete path two meters away. The same kid then opens a gate for you because you can't understand how to, the sign that says "Pull gate" is a mess of colours and you got distracted by your hand morphing into a windmill when you reached for the handle, walking is hard because you're not sure if you're standing but you seem to be moving north because you can feel the compass pointing that way...

This is just random info you can consider, actual advice given by lestoran and Simpy in previous posts.
 

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Have you asked your friend what he feels like the next day or when the high is going down??
Not a very good feeling at all.... Everything that goes up must come down!

The main reason why drugs are addictive is because users cannot cope with the come down so they take more to keep the high going...

The "hangover" feeling is something you would not like at all... I tried it been there done that...

Trust me the high isn't worth for what comes after that...

I don't agree, lsd is bloody amazing. You find yourself figuring out what life is about LOL, the come down off lsd isn't that bad. It's one of the easier things to come off. Benzo's will sort out the lack of sleep but lsd is not for weak people. A couple mate freaked out on acid big time and medicated them with benzo's and send them to bed. A bad lsd trip is one of the worst things you can go through but for the most part is an awakening drug.

I love candy flipping. Double drop E with acid. Fking amazing.

The world looks different, everything is shiny and looks bloody amazing. If you do into, try it out without a couple mates. Do not take acid and go clubbing.
 

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I'd avoid it if you don't have a strong sense of self and a decent understanding of how you work. If you have any misconceptions there's a chance they'll get blown out of proportion.

Example: a clueless introvert with a touch of social anxiety walks into a crowded room, gets overwhelmed by the massive stimulus of so many people and conversations, notices someone looking at them, gets slightly embarrassed and makes a quick exit with a blank mind followed by spending several hours later that day wondering why they acted like that.
Same person on acid walks into the room, isn't entirely overwhelmed, 'sees' things like a couple fighting across the room, knows that he cheated on her from the way he glances at some chick walking by; sees someone else looking unhappy and knows they'd rather be somewhere else entirely because they don't like the music; then suddenly gets overwhelmed, but while making the quick exit they catch fragments of conversations (somehow two words become three sentences), they can see people turning and staring without actually looking at them, they have twenty different mental images of themselves leaving the room, head filled with thoughts that are probably critical. When they invariably do the self-analysis later that day, and the next day, and the day after, they're left wondering how it was so easy to read other people, yet they have no clue why they got overwhelmed, and their slight social anxiety is multiplied by the hundreds of eyes that watched them leave. OMG what happens the next time they have to go out in public...

A not so clueless introvert would stand by the door for a few minutes, before going to the bathroom, then entering the room and finding one person they know and talking with them, before leaving after a while, getting a satisfactory self-review on the drive home.
Same person on acid would stand by the door for a while just watching people before maybe sitting down somewhere, noticing colours and the music, and the rush of thoughts and ideas going through their head, laughing at some of the ideas they have about what people are fighting about, before it becomes too much, so they head outside and stare at the sky for a while, but their head doesn't clear up like normal, so they try some breathing exercises, but there is still a rush of thoughts, so they go back to the music which is amazing and they feel better, so they find people they know and have strange conversations before they start getting overwhelmed again etc. They spend a couple of days afterwards relaxing, discarding the irrational thoughts that remain for a while, recuperating.

Almost everyone has different experiences from everyone else, and each time they take it. The strength varies so much, between you being able to be in public to totally dysfunctional. You might be an atheist and spend 6 hours sitting in your car in a parking lot listening to music, happy that God is chilling right in the middle of your head generating the best visualisations you've ever seen (actual time 2 hours). You might get lost in a botanical gardens, before being led to safety, almost in tears, by some ten year old because you couldn't see the concrete path two meters away. The same kid then opens a gate for you because you can't understand how to, the sign that says "Pull gate" is a mess of colours and you got distracted by your hand morphing into a windmill when you reached for the handle, walking is hard because you're not sure if you're standing but you seem to be moving north because you can feel the compass pointing that way...

This is just random info you can consider, actual advice given by lestoran and Simpy in previous posts.

Exactly what he said... That's it in 3 very well written and concisely summed up paragraphs.
 

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This sounds like eminently knowledgeable and good advice.

Me personally? I would love to try it, but I feel my mind is too... dark. At this stage in my cognitive life, I suspect a (very) bad trip is a possibility, which is not something I'd want to experience. :(

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This is only a problem if you are afraid of the dark :)

Thousands of people regularly take LSD and go to parties where 'dark' trance is played. Some do this simply for enjoyment but others appreciate how the music can guide you into the darkest corners of your mind, manifest your greatest fears, and show you that its just ... fear.

I myself became aware of a long forgotten negative childhood experience that was affecting my ability to relax in social situations. As a result my interactions have improved.

The 1st step in any kind of growth, be it physical, mental, psychological, scientific, medical, etc. is always awareness. You can't change/fix/improve/delete something if you are not aware of it.

But if psychedelics make you nervous there is always meditation. Studies on the brainwaves of students of Zen meditation show the same kind of decoupling from dopamine mediated inhibition in the pre-frontal cortex after 10-15 years of practice as the drugs will temporarily cause. Binaural beats should cut this time in half.
 

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Missed this great big pile of WTF...

LSD, due to the tiny, tiny dose needed to cause a trip, is probably the least likely drug to be spiked...

Doesnt have to be spiked, purity is the key when making a preparation. Secondly LSD was developed by Sandoz-labs in 1947 for use in psychiatry
 

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Doesnt have to be spiked, purity is the key when making a preparation.

I am not entirely certain what you are getting at, really. I was simply pointing out that LSD is is very unlikely to be 'spiked' for the reasons I outlined. You were the one who brought it up in the first place:

LSD is an antipsychotic is was created for treatment of psychosis but was later banned due to misuse like most medicines of this calibur (cocaine for example still is the most potent and unmatched local anaesthetic), though I doubt you will be able to procure a pharmaceutical grade LSD therefore I would say no because you have no idea what these okes are 'spiking' it with to improve the high, remember they care not for your health just your top dollar

Secondly LSD was developed by Sandoz-labs in 1947 for use in psychiatry

After Albert Hoffman accidentally created LSD (while attempting to create substances of a very different application) in 1938, sure, Sandoz marketed it a couple years later, but it wasn't a substance that was borne of a desire to create a psychiatric medication.
 

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I put it in inverted commas because to explain the purity of exipients would be a mission so its easier to say 'spiked' cause the effects would be the same.

Yes im well aware of the history of LSD, can also draw the structure from memory can make some for you too if I had the stuff and a decently equiped lab. Its a ergoline derivative, search ergot alkaloids to find its family of drugs.
 
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