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[R13...]

It's BP negligence. Sure they didn't intend for this to happen but they completely fscked up by putting their profits in front of safety

Apparently,

A group of BP executives were on board the platform celebrating the project's safety record when the blowout occurred

 

[GRBoy]

OMW, seriously...I feel sorry for BP, all the negative press they are given. I mean its not like others have "gasp" eaten plants, animals, destroyed trees (Paper etc.) destroyed "beautiful" landscapes/habitats (Mining for materials for everything from houses to cars etc.)...and its not like we don't demand their products.

If all you $@@#! hippies died, their would be less demand for BP's products, less damage etc., so why don't you just off yourselves and save evolution the trouble of destroying your genetic line sometime in the future for you.



http://www.lewrockwell.com/rockwell/feel-sorry-for-bp144.html

Apart from wanting "$@@#! hippies" dead - what exactly is your point?

 

[WilD_CaT]

The point: Who is enjoying the fact that oil is being spilled? The environmentalists. Who is unhappy? BP.

Now who really cares more, the people who are happy this occurred or the people who aren't?

As for BP being all about profits, do any of you idi@#% really think BP is profiting from this disaster? You think they didn't have many safety measures in place? This is a HUGE loss for them.... they didn't want this to happen. Why are they being treated as some "evil" doers, when everyone here is benefitting from "modern lifestyle" that only exists because companies like BP drill oil?

Was your property harmed? Effectively what is called "public property" (See Government) was harmed, but since their is no real owner no real loss can be claimed...tragedy of the commons.

Do any of you own property there? How about the animals affected?

Do you think BP must make amends? Do you think this will cost money? Do you think they get their money from, ooh, I don't know, selling petrol etc. So you want to boycott buying petrol, which will mean no money, which will mean they can't pay any damages or do anything....Yes, absolutely brilliant solution to the "problem"....the logic is really stupifying!

Why not just get the state to repair it, tax everyone, and punish EVERYONE instead of BP...that makes SO much more sense not to punishers the "alleged" purportrators.

PS: If you really "cared" you wouldn't be trying to place blame, particularly not on companies civilisation relies on to survive as we are today, you would simply get your self over there to lend your labour, or donate money, but instead its just an excuse to moan and promote your agenda...

 

[undesign]

The point: Who is enjoying the fact that oil is being spilled? The environmentalists. Who is unhappy? BP.

Now who really cares more, the people who are happy this occurred or the people who aren't?

As for BP being all about profits, do any of you idi@#% really think BP is profiting from this disaster? You think they didn't have many safety measures in place? This is a HUGE loss for them.... they didn't want this to happen. Why are they being treated as some "evil" doers, when everyone here is benefitting from "modern lifestyle" that only exists because companies like BP drill oil?

Was your property harmed? Effectively what is called "public property" (See Government) was harmed, but since their is no real owner no real loss can be claimed...tragedy of the commons.

Do any of you own property there? How about the animals affected?

Do you think BP must make amends? Do you think this will cost money? Do you think they get their money from, ooh, I don't know, selling petrol etc. So you want to boycott buying petrol, which will mean no money, which will mean they can't pay any damages or do anything....Yes, absolutely brilliant solution to the "problem"....the logic is really stupifying!

Why not just get the state to repair it, tax everyone, and punish EVERYONE instead of BP...that makes SO much more sense not to punishers the "alleged" purportrators.

PS: If you really "cared" you wouldn't be trying to place blame, particularly not on companies civilisation relies on to survive as we are today, you would simply get your self over there to lend your labour, or donate money, but instead its just an excuse to moan and promote your agenda...

Good post! I think the OP is sincere, somewhat naively idealistic, but sincere nonetheless.

 

[Mars]

The point: Who is enjoying the fact that oil is being spilled? The environmentalists. Who is unhappy? BP.

Now who really cares more, the people who are happy this occurred or the people who aren't?

As for BP being all about profits, do any of you idi@#% really think BP is profiting from this disaster? You think they didn't have many safety measures in place? This is a HUGE loss for them.... they didn't want this to happen. Why are they being treated as some "evil" doers, when everyone here is benefitting from "modern lifestyle" that only exists because companies like BP drill oil?

Was your property harmed? Effectively what is called "public property" (See Government) was harmed, but since their is no real owner no real loss can be claimed...tragedy of the commons.

Do any of you own property there? How about the animals affected?

Do you think BP must make amends? Do you think this will cost money? Do you think they get their money from, ooh, I don't know, selling petrol etc. So you want to boycott buying petrol, which will mean no money, which will mean they can't pay any damages or do anything....Yes, absolutely brilliant solution to the "problem"....the logic is really stupifying!

Why not just get the state to repair it, tax everyone, and punish EVERYONE instead of BP...that makes SO much more sense not to punishers the "alleged" purportrators.

PS: If you really "cared" you wouldn't be trying to place blame, particularly not on companies civilisation relies on to survive as we are today, you would simply get your self over there to lend your labour, or donate money, but instead its just an excuse to moan and promote your agenda...

+1 Great post.

 

[gpe]

Was a complete freak accident. Could have happened on any rig (note previous rig disasters) so I don't get the hostility. This wasn't the first and won't be the last blow out. Its the nature of the 'raw earth' .. from volcanoes to earthquakes to oil below the crust.

 

[Mars]

I would love to live in a cave, I don't need to sell my PC and electronic appliances, just get some solar panels, already grow my own organic food, and waiting to buy the Joule...I thought South Africans were supposed to be intelligent, we have come up with the most brilliant inventions

Go then dammit. Hurry up, sooner you're gone, the sooner we will not notice...

 

[GRBoy]

I wonder who is the idiot around here.

Was your property harmed? Effectively what is called "public property was harmed, but since there is no real owner no real loss can be claimed...tragedy of the commons"

No real loss !! What a $@@#! idiot.

What you and Lew Rockwell really want is for the corporations to do as they wish without any restrictions. Exxon was nothing, global warming is rubbish, whales are not important, so what if we spill oil on ecologically important wetlands. All that matters is that the corporation makes money - damage is too bad but cannot be avoided. The world will get over it and if it doesn't we will not be around so who cares.

Is BP happy this occurred? No. Is BP responsible? YES. (And if you doubt this you need to read a little bit more about the background, including the accusations of corruption)

Most importantly, by taking action against BP we tell the corporate world that we will not sit back and shut up when they destroy our world and our future. "We must send a clear message that human death, ecosystem destruction, and collateral damage are unacceptable in the pursuit of oil."

Perhaps it is time to find an alternative to fossil fuels in a hurry.

 

[WilD_CaT]

What you and Lew Rockwell really want is for the corporations to do as they wish without any restrictions.

Erm no, its called property rights, since essentially none exist, we have a problem. This is not the problem with the free market, as in a free market, people would be free to claim "ocean" and any damages done to their property would be sorted out by the people who did the damage.

global warming is rubbish,

quite, ever seen the hockey stick graphs, the CPC "conspiracy"... etc....

whales are not important

No more so than cows, chickens, pigs, but many people are happy to slaughter these animals....or plants....they are techincially living organisms aren't they...

so what if we spill oil on ecologically important wetlands[/B].

Civilisation won't grind to a halt if the wetlands dissappear, if oil disappeared tomorrow it would be a different story...

All that matters is that the corporation makes money

...in a free market, corporations make profits by meeting the demands/needs of consumers, so if they are profitable, its because they are doing what the majority of people want them to do, just not you evidently, but you don't obviously care what others want, only what you want...

- damage is too bad but cannot be avoided. The world will get over it and if it doesn't we will not be around so who cares.

Pleanty of people care, I love the Kruger Park...but BP is not "evil"... it was an accident afterall.

Is BP happy this occurred? No. Is BP responsible? YES.

If a crime is committed, who is the victim, which person or their property was harmed...and don't say society...you do not have legal title....

Most importantly, by taking action against BP we tell the corporate world that we will not sit back and shut up when they destroy our world and our future. "We must send a clear message that human death, ecosystem destruction, and collateral damage are unacceptable in the pursuit of oil."

Perhaps it is time to find an alternative to fossil fuels in a hurry.

LOL....lets assume best case for your scenario, BP goes under. That leaves less competition and a less supply of oil, it makes the other companies more profitable and less likely to enforce strict safety measures. Think about it, the more money one has the less likely you would care about small things, or take responsibility or worry if something breaks, because you can just get another or go somewhere else. If I owned Telkom back when full monopoly was in force, do you think I would care if someone was unhappy with the way I did things? Not a chance.

Now however, there is more competiton, profits are dissappearing, all of a sudden, keeping consumers happy becomes a priority.

If you want consumers to have MORE power over these companies, you need MORE competition, then every customer suddenly matters, and you would do a lot to please em....how does making BP go under = more competition...?

It is quite simpe, you underestimate the importance of oil to our civilisation at present and over-estimate the importance of what some animals or plants mean.

You also don't understand economic cause and effect, boycotting will not solve the problem, it will do the opposite. I am here to point that out to you. If you had a real solution, I would listen but you don't.

I like the idea of moving to more efficient energy...nuclear, hydrogen power etc...the more people demand cars etc. powered this way, the less profits one would make with oil, the less likely this would happen. But don't give me some crap car that barely outperforms a modern fuel efficient car, if at all, that damages the environment more by making it (Batteries etc.) then try and con me that it is better for the environment.

When the technology really does improveme and becomes mass produced I will move over, but give me a pile of crap and tell me its gold.

 

[Voltorr]

Well said Wild_Cat, after MUCH reading i must say calling them evil because of an accident they would never want to happen sounds silly. A for boycotting them, it seems that will make no difference (how the industry works and all) and so is a waste of time..... even if it did work amazingly and they went under tomorrow for not giving people what they want it seems that would be even more of a disaster.

We want oil, accidents will happen as we pursue our goals of getting it....... i think it makes more sense for everyone to take a bit of the blame.

 

[Bismuth]

Funnily enough, I recently started using BP instead of Shell, but not due anything Shell did, just take issue with the manager of my nearest Shell garage.

But, if I am out somewhere, and need petrol, I will still go to Shell if they're the nearest, just not the one nearest my house.

I don't blame BP for what happened, it could have happened to any of them.

B

 

[BCO]

Quoting Penn & Teller, "I would strangle with my bare hands, every chimp in the jungle if it would save the life of one street junkie"

You really like that quote don't you? I think it's pretty goddamned retarded. Especially coming from an atheist. At least religious people can say that humans are special little copies of god. What's your excuse for such arrogance?

 

[GRBoy]

Erm no, its called property rights, since essentially none exist, we have a problem. This is not the problem with the free market, as in a free market, people would be free to claim "ocean" and any damages done to their property would be sorted out by the people who did the damage.

You believe all this crap you write?

The oceans do not belong to anybody - so bad luck. There are millions of people who make a living out of the gulf of mexico, but they have no title so their loss is just too bad. There are millions who depend on it for food. Too bad, they don't have title. There are millions who enjoy it for recreation. Too bad.

You would have a corporation claim ownership of the ocean and then monopolise everthing that comes out of it. In your world that is the ideal. Why not reason the same about the atmosphere - we can send all the crap into it we like because there is no ownership so any damage is just too bad and nobody needs to be held responsible. Let someone own it and sell fresh air to all living beings, then he will take care of it. The fact that most of the people on earth today will not be able to afford to pay for it is just too bad.

Tell me, how do you feel about companies and organisations dumping crap in our (SA) rivers and oceans? Same - no problem - no one has title over it so no one is entitled to complain. You would give ownership to someone so that he can sell off the water and then assume he will take care of it. That is your solution. In the mean time it is no loss to anyone except those who depend on the water for drinking, irrigation, recreation etc. People are dying after swimming in our oceans - just too bad. Only "$@@#! hippies" complain.

 

[WilD_CaT]

You believe all this crap you write?

Yup, you don't believe the crap you write?

The oceans do not belong to anybody - so bad luck. There are millions of people who make a living out of the gulf of mexico, but they have no title so their loss is just too bad. There are millions who depend on it for food. Too bad, they don't have title. There are millions who enjoy it for recreation. Too bad.

Problem of not allowing free-market principles to determine ownership. Why don't people run around complainging of depleting stocks of cows of poulrtry (Barring natural disasters)? The reason is that these animals are looked after. If a farmer slaughters his livestock in a day, what will he be able to sell in a months time? Nothing, he would go under. That is why it is in the farmers best interest to keep the livestock numbers growing etc.

If people could own "ocean", and homestead it, the same would apply. Fish stocks would be preserved etc. However since their is no owner, if one guy doesn't want to fish to much, another guy will, effectively get more market share and make more profit. The only way one can win in the ocean is to suck more out than the next guy. It is not a market failure, since the market depends on property rights for exchange, and property rights are essentially prevented from being naturally allocated.

You would have a corporation claim ownership of the ocean and then monopolise everthing that comes out of it. In your world that is the ideal. Why not reason the same about the atmosphere - we can send all the crap into it we like because there is no ownership so any damage is just too bad and nobody needs to be held responsible. Let someone own it and sell fresh air to all living beings, then he will take care of it. The fact that most of the people on earth today will not be able to afford to pay for it is just too bad.

Now you are confusing private ownership for monopoly. Do you have a monopoly on your property? Wow, what a terrible thing. I don't think that should be allowed. I should be allowed to use your kitchen whenever I want gawd damnit!

As for the atmosphere, its the same reason why we have pollution. No one "owns" air. Thus "polluting" it or "harming" it, doesn't directly harm anyone. It can however harm you, but then you have to prove it. It is also a tragedy of the commons.

lol, the irony is that people will be able to afford it. You would have multiple owners/competition and huge supply. Since supply and demand determines prices in an open market, air will essentially be free as it is now due to the huge supply. The fact you don't understand supply helps to determine prices and consumer valuations really doesn't help you make any logical point.

Tell me, how do you feel about companies and organisations dumping crap in our (SA) rivers and oceans? Same - no problem - no one has title over it so no one is entitled to complain. You would give ownership to someone so that he can sell off the water and then assume he will take care of it. That is your solution. In the mean time it is no loss to anyone except those who depend on the water for drinking, irrigation, recreation etc. People are dying after swimming in our oceans - just too bad. Only "$@@#! hippies" complain.

Someone puts bad stuff in water. It is your decision to go in water. You decide to go in water and the company is to blame if you get sick? What about you? Surely you should have some blame? Were you forced to go in the water? What if a sting-ray kills you? Do we get to sue and take it to court?

If their is no ownership you cannot claim loss. That is simple? How can you claim loss if you have not lost something?