Don't buy BP or support thier stores

[eltherza]

Mmm. Mess in the ocean affects all of us, not just stupid Americans.

It's a great disaster, but how would it be affecting all of us?

And the point R13 is making is that if BP closed shop today, who would pay for the ocean to be cleaned? American tax payer (which makes boycotting it stupid).

 

[trinityEon]

It's a great disaster, but how would it be affecting all of us?

And the point R13 is making is that if BP closed shop today, who would pay for the ocean to be cleaned? American tax payer (which makes boycotting it stupid).

BP is a big enough company, they can be liquidated and im sure everything they own and their worth could be enough to pay for cleaning up

 

[trinityEon]

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http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_Hr-HXx6H-5w/SGrRrdYMSLI/AAAAAAAAAYM/0j8aFjkKTW0/s320/gasoline+pic.png
http://www.cagle.com/news/OilAddiction/main.asp

this is exactly what is happening to us

 

[news24]

OP, you don't know what you are talking about. The oil spill was an accident and accidents do happen. No company would want to loose as much money as has BP due to this incident. Rather support them because they are a responsible company.

You don't know how the oilfield work. Companies like BP, Chevron, Total and ExxonMobil, hire service companies to do the work for them. And BP hired the very best in the world.

They hired Transocean, the largest industry rig fleet owner in the world, who also provide BOPs(Blow-out Preventers) of their own. And also hired Haliburton(The world's leading company in cementing technologies) whose job is to test BOPs, casing test, pressure test and cementing.

Most companies, like BP have only one representetive, called Company-Man, whose job is to supervise and grant permissions for all jobs on rigsite, these type of guys are grey hair guys, with minimum rig experience of 15years, these guys have seen most of it all.

In the oil industry we have what we call a Stop-Work authority, meaning that anyone on the rigsite can stop a job if he deem it unsafe. So the haliburton cementer failed to Stop the job even though it was unsafe to continue with. And the company-man is to blame because he took a unilateral decision to continue drilling even though presssure test results were unsatisfactory.

 

[SulkySue]

Corporate Sleaze Bags XVXIIIMCN ...

 

[trinityEon]

OP, you don't know what you are talking about. The oil spill was an accident and accidents do happen. No company would want to loose as much money as has BP due to this incident. Rather support them because they are a responsible company.

You don't know how the oilfield work. Companies like BP, Chevron, Total and ExxonMobil, hire service companies to do the work for them. And BP hired the very best in the world.

They hired Transocean, the largest industry rig fleet owner in the world, who also provide BOPs(Blow-out Preventers) of their own. And also hired Haliburton(The world's leading company in cementing technologies) whose job is to test BOPs, casing test, pressure test and cementing.

Most companies, like BP have only one representetive, called Company-Man, whose job is to supervise and grant permissions for all jobs on rigsite, these type of guys are grey hair guys, with minimum rig experience of 15years, these guys have seen most of it all.

In the oil industry we have what we call a Stop-Work authority, meaning that anyone on the rigsite can stop a job if he deem it unsafe. So the haliburton cementer failed to Stop the job even though it was unsafe to continue with. And the company-man is to blame because he took a unilateral decision to continue drilling even though presssure test results were unsatisfactory.

BP oil spill called ‘no accident’ (Video)

The eyes of the world are watching the Gulf of Mexico and right now, no one really knows exactly how the BP oil spill disaster is going to end. However, what we are learning little by little, is how it began.

BP Safety records were ‘fudged,’ and the blowout preventer on the Deepwater Horizon, known to be damaged, was deliberately left in disrepair. The result, as MSNBC’s Lawrence O’Donnell put it, “was no accident. It was corporate negligence in the extreme.”

Corporate negligence is not new to America, nor is corner-cutting on safety measures. What sets the BP oil spill disaster apart is the ultimate cost. When all is said and done, the devastation of human livelihoods, the food chain and marine life, will be monumental.

Had the well been capped within days of the April 20th rig explosion, the damage would have been minimal. But the amount of oil spilled and the currents that will carry it hundreds of miles from where it all began will leave a trail of lifelessness in it’s wake. Nature simply cannot absorb “corporate negligence” on this scale. Microorganisms essential to life set off a chain reaction when they die.

The microscopic evolution that shaped life on this planet took millions of years to create. Much of it will be wiped out in a matter of months.

The “top kill” BP is considering as their next attempt to “close the damn hole,” as President Obama put it, has a 6 in 10 chance of success. If that fails, the next best chance of stopping the flow is a relief well that will not be completed until August.

According to recent scientists’ reports, the spill rate is 1.68 million gallons a day

are you saying BP passing the blame on Transocean just because they hired them to do a job? In the first place why was a faulty BOP even allowed to be used

BP has a very bad safety record as it is, why are they not allowing other scientists into the area, only BP scientists are allowed to take samples, even the live feed they showing is not the actual main leak, its the pipe that has fallen with three leaks in it, in other video footage behind this leak you see the even bigger plume of oil gushing out... me wonders what they are hiding... suspect a cover up going on here... we want the truth not like another 911 cover up

 

[undesign]

are you saying BP passing the blame on Transocean just because they hired them to do a job? In the first place why was a faulty BOP even allowed to be used

BP has a very bad safety record as it is, why are they not allowing other scientists into the area, only BP scientists are allowed to take samples, even the live feed they showing is not the actual main leak, its the pipe that has fallen with three leaks in it, in other video footage behind this leak you see the even bigger plume of oil gushing out... me wonders what they are hiding... suspect a cover up going on here... we want the truth not like another 911 cover up

Did you read how much this is going to cost BP? Cleanup costs, multiple lawsuits (probably a class action underway), reputation loss, market cap took a huge knock etc. etc. They will pay the price for this disaster.

 

[SilverNodashi]

After looking at these pics http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2010/05/oil_reaches_louisiana_shores.html
and seeing these videos http://edition.cnn.com/video/?/video/us/2010/05/25/jvm.daily.issue.oil.spill.cnn

it is surely mine and my friends and whole family's vow never to support BP stations and their convenience stores. They complain about accidents do happen and is this not a mass murder of the microlife, and ecology of a small portion of the world? all in aid of what, oil? the money spent here wasted could help how many of the poor and starving, or polar bears, etc. they same finance used here could easily be used for clean renewable energy research and implimentation... heck even eskom's puny loan from the world bank could hae come out of this tenfold.

My opinion nobody should support BP ,they are not beyond petroleum, they are irresponsible and only care for making money.

who else agrees?

Are you going to live in a cave now? Just about every human being on this planer contributes in one form or another in destroying the planet. Sell your PC and all electronic appliances, plant your own organic food, make your own organic clothes, sell your car(s), and learn how to stay warm, and earn money without using up natural resources. Do you see where this is going?

And, no offence, the 20, or 30 of you who boycott BP will make no dent in their bottom line, or any impact in them whatsoever. Remember all those emails that went around a few years ago, telling people to boycott BP so the fuel prices can drop. Guess what, they're still around, their shares are still doing well and people still use them. Other companies cause similar harm, every day, are you going to boycott them all? Others won't cause people got accustomed to the nice lifestyles we have now. We're not going back to the iron, or stone age.

 

[trinityEon]

Did you read how much this is going to cost BP? Cleanup costs, multiple lawsuits (probably a class action underway), reputation loss, market cap took a huge knock etc. etc. They will pay the price for this disaster.

Apparently the cost is not enough, Do a read up on the EXXON Valdez spill http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exxon_Valdez_oil_spill see the Litigation and clean up costs and you will see exactly how they get away with paying peanuts for the damage, and getting away with bribery and appeals... You guys are in fact saying that if you all see a mass murderer(or a group of them in this case) running around killing everything in sight, that you would rather support them because you are addicted to what their by products are?

Surely you haven't lived in the great outdoors without your land rovers, and technology, you have forgotten the basic survival of human life, and how to live in sync with nature.

Nobody can give me the proper definition of true humanity, and what does it mean to be human... what is human rights? all hogwash IMO, because everyone cares only for themselves, not for the animals getting put down by the SPCA, or the Birds and fish being killed by this spill... the attitude is its someone else's problem, so lets b!tch about it and hope someone fixes it eventually...it doesn't directly affect us on this side of the world so why should we care about it...Common mentality...besides are you all afraid of the big bad wolf(BP)...and when someone tries to open your eyes to see what is really going on all you can do is just criticize because all your so called modern advances are reliant on this oil?

... Is this what you call humanity? to hell with all the rest of the life on earth as long as we can enjoy driving on oil instead of electric, and worrying that money is more important than life... and we call ourselves human,

Yes I would rather prefer living in a cave... no need for aircon, constant temp, and would look much better... pity the govt, regulates everything so we cant live in one.

I really wonder what the world would have been like if there was no such thing as money, and everyone's value/wealth was measured by the good they do for the next person or living thing

 

[undesign]

Apparently the cost is not enough, Do a read up on the EXXON Valdez spill http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exxon_Valdez_oil_spill see the Litigation and clean up costs and you will see exactly how they get away with paying peanuts for the damage, and getting away with bribery and appeals... You guys are in fact saying that if you all see a mass murderer(or a group of them in this case) running around killing everything in sight, that you would rather support them because you are addicted to what their by products are?

Surely you haven't lived in the great outdoors without your land rovers, and technology, you have forgotten the basic survival of human life, and how to live in sync with nature.

Nobody can give me the proper definition of true humanity, and what does it mean to be human... what is human rights? all hogwash IMO, because everyone cares only for themselves, not for the animals getting put down by the SPCA, or the Birds and fish being killed by this spill... the attitude is its someone else's problem, so lets b!tch about it and hope someone fixes it eventually...it doesn't directly affect us on this side of the world so why should we care about it...Common mentality...besides are you all afraid of the big bad wolf(BP)...and when someone tries to open your eyes to see what is really going on all you can do is just criticize because all your so called modern advances are reliant on this oil?

... Is this what you call humanity? to hell with all the rest of the life on earth as long as we can enjoy driving on oil instead of electric, and worrying that money is more important than life... and we call ourselves human,

Yes I would rather prefer living in a cave... no need for aircon, constant temp, and would look much better... pity the govt, regulates everything so we cant live in one.

I really wonder what the world would have been like if there was no such thing as money, and everyone's value/wealth was measured by the good they do for the next person or living thing

I liked your sentiment - and I'm certainly not belittling you ideas in any way. It just not a BP issue, but rather one of humanity's dependence on oil/gas. So if you want to go all boycotty or create awareness or campaign, then that is where you should focus. Accidents happen, it is an unavoidable consequence of our hunger for energy. BP will pay though, make no mistake.

 

[capetownguy]

Do not support fast food restaurants.

They make people fatter.

fatter people press down on the accelerator twice as hard as the average person.

they are polluting the earth more!!

 

[Ninja'd]

Don't use their toilets on long trips also even when the kid needs to go.

 

[trinityEon]

I liked your sentiment - and I'm certainly not belittling you ideas in any way. It just not a BP issue, but rather one of humanity's dependence on oil/gas. So if you want to go all boycotty or create awareness or campaign, then that is where you should focus. Accidents happen, it is an unavoidable consequence of our hunger for energy. BP will pay though, make no mistake.

My point is that nobody will ever be able to tackle the whole world in one go, it is highly improbable, however these corporates have been using the divide and rule(through marketing and media) to get everyone to believe this is the way things should be and this product is better...etc. In turn we all start believing these commercials (take the homemark ads and the like) how many things we buy that don't work,and feel we are dependent on them... Hence my point is the divide and rule works and is still used till today, why not turn the tables around, and divide the corporations into easily digestible bits and take them down one at a time.

Remember when Nestle was buying milk from Mugabe's wife, many people stopped buying Nestle, and it did make a dent in their profits...thus they listened to the people. Same principle here, if enough people can make a dent then maybe they can start realizing that people want these corporations to care that the food we eat is not lined with chemicals, and preservatives, or organic foods should be cheaper, and to realize that making money is not as important as making sure the same people supporting them are given a healthy product in the end that harms nobody and is clean.

Simple logic to think about: What is the definition and behavior of a Virus?
A virus will consume anything and everything it attaches itself to, feed off it and eventually kill off the very host it resides on.
Humans live on this earth, they have explored and taken over every piece of land they want, divided it so that nobody(not even the animals) has the freedom to roam about as they please, we are consuming all the earths resources, killing off other species as we go along, eventually what do you think will happen in our addiction for oil and dirty energy?... how much different are we?

I am not saying we must give up all we have, lets start finding new ways and learning from nature how to use and create renewable energy. These oil companies have bought off patents and hog the good research that was done for reliable renewable, and refuse to let them out because they fear a loss in their business... they need to realize the importance of life goes a long way more than just their profits... BTW they already own way more profits than a million lifetimes, how much more do they want. Why cant they just live enough to be comfortable, Greed is a downfall on its own and has never benefited anyone.

Yes accidents do happen, but when you hear of all the unsafe procedures that BP practices, the incidents that had in the past, this could have been prevented, had they used proper procedures and legal safety measures to ensure the BOP's they used work 100% even in the depth they were drilling at. The worst accident that this could have been was that just the Rig would have been damaged, but at least the well would have been capped.... coulda woulda shoulda... its in the past, but i think their current reaction to the situation is sick:

BP makes the entire area off limits to even the best scientists in the world, and nobody but BP scientists are allowed to take samples, or footage. What are they covering up if it is an accident? why is there no independent investigators allowed to investigate. If they accepted the help of volunteers and even offer to fly experts from around the world to help them, then they would have probably have had the well capped by now... meaning there are millions of volunteers around the world who would love to get involved and help where they can, but no public forum has been made by BP to call for help and suggestions, even to sign up as a volunteer where they would fly you out. I know someone is gonna mention at what cost... well they have insurance and they have made billions over the years, this mistake is gonna cost and the longer they gonna leave it, the more it will cost, and do damage. if they started a public volunteer system back when the explosion happened, at least all hands would have been on deck to minimize the damage now evident... possibly would have even cost them less.

BTW did you guy know that the dispersant they are using is highly toxic, and is going to add quite alot to the acid rains, and yes if you dont think it will affect us in SA, think again, we all breathe the same air. The air and water in the world sees no boundaries and borders

Why cant they just be open and honest with us, instead of restrictions and cover ups.

When you say BP will pay, I certainly hope they do, and not have the trial postponed till the public forgets and eventually get the fine reduced to nothing, because by the time the trial is finalized the CEO would have been long fired, and there will be nobody to blame

 

[trinityEon]

Don't use their toilets on long trips also even when the kid needs to go.

Agreed, rather pull up next to the pump and do your business right there to show them what its like for the animals to live in that filth they just spilled over the gulf, it wont be oil, but it will be just as not nice LOL

 

[trinityEon]

Are you going to live in a cave now? Just about every human being on this planer contributes in one form or another in destroying the planet. Sell your PC and all electronic appliances, plant your own organic food, make your own organic clothes, sell your car(s), and learn how to stay warm, and earn money without using up natural resources. Do you see where this is going?

I would love to live in a cave, I don't need to sell my PC and electronic appliances, just get some solar panels, already grow my own organic food, and waiting to buy the Joule...I thought South Africans were supposed to be intelligent, we have come up with the most brilliant inventions

 

[Chicken Boo]

I would love to live in a cave, I don't need to sell my PC and electronic appliances, just get some solar panels, already grow my own organic food, and waiting to buy the Joule...I thought South Africans were supposed to be intelligent, we have come up with the most brilliant inventions

what is your means of transport?

 

[WilD_CaT]

OMW, seriously...I feel sorry for BP, all the negative press they are given. I mean its not like others have "gasp" eaten plants, animals, destroyed trees (Paper etc.) destroyed "beautiful" landscapes/habitats (Mining for materials for everything from houses to cars etc.)...and its not like we don't demand their products.

If all you $@@#! hippies died, their would be less demand for BP's products, less damage etc., so why don't you just off yourselves and save evolution the trouble of destroying your genetic line sometime in the future for you.

How about reality? The incident is a tragedy for BP and all the subcontractors involved. It will probably wreck the company, a company that has long helped provide the fuel that runs everything from our cars to our industries, and keeps alive the very body of modern life. The idea that BP should be hated and denounced is preposterous; there is every reason to express great sadness for what has happened.

It is not as if BP profits by oil leaks, or that anyone reveled in the chance to dump its precious oil all over the ocean. Its own CEO has worked for years to try to prevent precisely this kind of accident, and did so not out of the desire to comply with regulations, but because it is good business practice.

In contrast to the families and others who are weeping, we might ask who is happy about the disaster: the environmentalists, with their fear mongering and hatred of modern life, and the government, which treats every capitalist producer as a bird to be oiled and plucked. The environmentalists are thrilled because they get yet another chance to wail and moan about the plight of their beloved swamps and other supposedly sensitive land. The loss of fish is sad, but it is not as if they will not come back: after the Exxon-Valdez trouble, the fishing was better than ever in just one year.

The main advantage to the environmentalists is their propaganda victory in having yet another chance to rail against the evils of oil producers and ocean drilling. If they have their way, oil prices would be vastly higher, there would never be another refinery built, and all development of the oceans would stop in the name of "protecting" things irrelevant to human life.

The core economic issue concerning such a spill is liability. In a world of private property, if you soil someone else's property, you bear the liability. But what about a world in which government owns vast swaths, and the oceans are considered the commons of everyone? It becomes extremely difficult to assess damages.

There is also a problem with federal limits on liability. The liability for damaging people or property should be 100%. Such a system would match a company's policies to the actual risk of doing damage. Lower limits would inspire companies to be less concerned about damage to others than they should be, in the same way that a company with a bailout guarantee will be more reckless than in a free market.

But such a liability rule presumes ownership, so that owners themselves are in a position to enter into fair bargaining and there can be some objective test. There is no objective test when the oceans are collectively owned, and where the coasts are government owned.

"Every American affected by this spill should know this: your government will do whatever it takes for as long as it takes to stop this crisis," Obama says. Are we really supposed to believe that government is better able to deal with this disaster than private industry? The government and its army of bureaucrats is only a hindrance. And meanwhile, the Obama administration must be thrilled to have an old-fashioned change of subject, so that we don't have to notice every single day that its economic stimulus has been an incredible flop, with unemployment higher today than a year ago, and the depression still persisting.

Why, by the way, when every natural disaster is hailed by the Keynesian media for at least having the stimulative effect of rebuilding, is nothing like this said about the oil spill? At least in this case, losses seem to be recognized as losses.

The abstraction called the "ecosystem" – which never seems to include humans or their civilization – has done far less for us than the oil industry. So let us not forget that the greatest tragedy here is BP’s and its subsidiaries’ and subcontractors’, and the private enterprises affected by the losses that no one intended. If the result is a shutdown of drilling and further regulation of private enterprise, people will lose. And that is what counts.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/rockwell/feel-sorry-for-bp144.html

 

[Phenom]

don't they have like somekind of patch (shouldn't even need to be too large, which they could readily have available somewhere and then simply patch the hole and throw stones or concerete above the patch to keep it down which will then give them ample time to patch it closed? a hole only 5 feet in diamiter (about 1.5 meters), and they can't even find some kind of rubber corkskrew or something? get a funnel and pipe the hole you still get some oil out. you could literally pay divers millions to go down there, exxon's valadez cost was about 5 bilion dolars. drop an old beetle into the hole, gosh this is dumb

only a 2c

BP and others should either hire another company do to this or they should be able to do this themselves. really lacks intuition and responsibility here.

 

[Rosaudio]

It's BP negligence. Sure they didn't intend for this to happen but they completely fscked up by putting their profits in front of safety

 

[Chicken Boo]

What are they covering up if it is an accident? why is there no independent investigators allowed to investigate. If they accepted the help of volunteers and even offer to fly experts from around the world to help them, then they would have probably have had the well capped by now...

What could they be covering up? the slick is visible by satellite for crying out loud. Where do you think all the experts are at the moment? What experts are there even - this incident is unique, no one has any experience, nobody knows the magic answer. Do you think BP wants to try and prolong the gushing oil they can't profit from? They're doing what they can.

meaning there are millions of volunteers around the world who would love to get involved and help where they can, but no public forum has been made by BP to call for help and suggestions, even to sign up as a volunteer where they would fly you out.

Volunteers to do what? Swim down 3kms and plug a leak that's coming out with thousands of PSI pressure?
Volunteers will only be useful for helping the wildlife.

Why cant they just be open and honest with us, instead of restrictions and cover ups.

Why don't you consider this for a moment: if BP allowed anyone else in - US govt included - they're immediately absolved of some responsibility. They are then free to come up with all sorts of excuses about how it wasn't their fault it took so long to plug, not their fault the plug didn't last etc.. Look how much they've already tried to shift blame to Transocean.

have the trial postponed till the public forgets and eventually get the fine reduced to nothing, because by the time the trial is finalized the CEO would have been long fired, and there will be nobody to blame

Welcome to corporate USA - now exported for your convenience.