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Well seem lots of people got really bad MMR calibrations. I won 7 out of my 10 games due to being an awesome Dazzle....and ended up 1200MMR. FML.

Since then switched to carry and won all my ranked games, for a measely 25MMR per game.

So I'll be stuck in the trenches for some time to come.
 
Havox said:
Well seem lots of people got really bad MMR calibrations. I won 7 out of my 10 games due to being an awesome Dazzle....and ended up 1200MMR. FML.

Since then switched to carry and won all my ranked games, for a measely 25MMR per game.

So I'll be stuck in the trenches for some time to come.
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I'm at 1.8k it's really hard moving up, Lost like 100MMR on Sunday
 
Hades911 said:
When playing ranked at my MMR I only play mid, I tried supporting but got tired of being poor and seeing AM players go 1-10 in a 30 min game and saying they did good job
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Antimage only really comes online at around 35min anyway. To truly contribute to a fight he needs that manta and to get the items he needs beyond manta he needs that battlefury first to increase his farm rate. If your team couldn't hold the game for more than 30min then your team failed to make enough space for that carry to farm. That isn't his fault. That is on you guys.

You guys need to be rotating in to that tier 1 to stop the ganks on the AM, give him a competent well drafted lane support to give him the space to be able come to the creep wave without being harassed away (that means a support that is capable of harassing enemy offlaners to keep them zoned, stacking and pulling etc. to stop the lane pushing to under their towers) or he won't have items and will inevitably fall behind and feed.

Picking AM does not automatically mean you win the game, or that your AM can get the farm he needs to carry.
 
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porchrat said:
Antimage only really comes online at around 35min anyway. To truly contribute to a fight he needs that manta and to get the items he needs beyond manta he needs that battlefury first to increase his farm rate. If your team couldn't hold the game for more than 30min then your team failed to make enough space for that carry to farm. That isn't his fault.

You guys need to be rotating in to that tier 1 to stop the ganks on the AM, give him a competent well drafted lane support to give him the space to be able come to the creep wave without being harassed away (that means harassing enemy offlaners, stacking and pulling etc. to stop the lane pushing to under their towers) or he won't have items and will inevitably fall behind and feed.
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Even then he shouldn't be fighting much. He should just be pushing and applying pressure to the lanes.
 
I'm just saying that if a game only lasts 30 minutes it is hard to blame the late game carry. The carry deals with the game post 30 minutes, not pre 30 minutes.
 
porchrat said:
Antimage only really comes online at around 35min anyway. To truly contribute to a fight he needs that manta and to get the items he needs beyond manta he needs that battlefury first to increase his farm rate. If your team couldn't hold the game for more than 30min then your team failed to make enough space for that carry to farm. That isn't his fault. That is on you guys.

You guys need to be rotating in to that tier 1 to stop the ganks on the AM, give him a competent well drafted lane support to give him the space to be able come to the creep wave without being harassed away (that means a support that is capable of harassing enemy offlaners to keep them zoned, stacking and pulling etc. to stop the lane pushing to under their towers) or he won't have items and will inevitably fall behind and feed.

Picking AM does not automatically mean you win the game, or that your AM can get the farm he needs to carry.
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AM had free farm for 25 min, he wasn't ganked once, I harassed the offlaner out of lane, Pulled every wave when needed so he could farm just outside tower range, He even got a first blood kill, I rotated mid a few times to kill the Invoker to slow him down, And after having free farm for 25 odd minutes AM had something like 80 last hits and got battlefury at minute 21. So in all honesty I can say AM can not last hit/farm efficiently
 
porchrat said:
I'm just saying that if a game only lasts 30 minutes it is hard to blame the late game carry. The carry deals with the game post 30 minutes, not pre 30 minutes.
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I get what you are saying, But after 25 min of free farm AM should at least have Power treads battlefury Vlads and almost a full manta
 
Hades911 said:
AM had free farm for 25 min, he wasn't ganked once, I harassed the offlaner out of lane, Pulled every wave when needed so he could farm just outside tower range, He even got a first blood kill, I rotated mid a few times to kill the Invoker to slow him down, And after having free farm for 25 odd minutes AM had something like 80 last hits and got battlefury at minute 21. So in all honesty I can say AM can not last hit/farm efficiently
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Honestly while it is somewhat late 21min is not that bad for a Battlefury timing. I've had hard lanes where I've only managed to get a Battefury at 21min or beyond and still felt OK about the timing because of the pressure I'd had to absorb to get there.

Again I feel I need to point out that the AM was not the problem in that game. It ended in 30 minutes. AM isn't a major player in that portion of the game unless he has had some truly amazing kill opportunities to capitalise on.
 
Hades911 said:
I get what you are saying, But after 25 min of free farm AM should at least have Power treads battlefury Vlads and almost a full manta
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You don't need to build a Vlads on AM. Battlefury regen is enough to farm efficiently unless you are the most unlucky sod ever with jungle spawns.

20 minute Battlefury for a game at 1.8K MMR is fine. There is nothing wrong with that timing. Your AM didn't let you down, the rest of your team did.
 
I play some AM and it's tough in scrub-land, because somewhere while you farming someone has a solo lane.

I aim for pre-20min BF, but don't forget that's not where it ends. AM's power is that it can flash farm AFTER getting BF so once you do you need to carry on to manta, but your speeds increases exponentially. Often my teams see me get the BF and then goes, oh yeah, you joining fights now....while in reality that's when the serious farming starts. Form getting BF to manta should almost be a matter of a few minutes.

And yes, if after 30min your team has lost then yes, you didn't get the time space, but, I get their point that it was 4vs5 for 30min.

AM is very much a double edged sword.

On a funnier note, did anybody see the DOTAWATAFAK video of the AM getting a 11min Battlefury, only to have all his camps blocked for the next 15min, to lose the game :) Funny as hell.
 
Havox said:
On a funnier note, did anybody see the DOTAWATAFAK video of the AM getting a 11min Battlefury, only to have all his camps blocked for the next 15min, to lose the game :) Funny as hell.
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Yea I saw that one. It was freaking hilarious :D

He even had to buy sentries to try deward it all :D
 
Played a semi-serious "clan" match on Tuesday, and we were up against a jungling NP.

My son, we played support went and blocked all his camps, after seeing it on that video....spoke to them afterwords and they confirmed it was irritating AF.

It's now standard practice whenever we play against a jungler.
 
Havox said:
Played a semi-serious "clan" match on Tuesday, and we were up against a jungling NP.

My son, we played support went and blocked all his camps, after seeing it on that video....spoke to them afterwords and they confirmed it was irritating AF.

It's now standard practice whenever we play against a jungler.
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Lol I would just go farm enemy jungle, No one ever looks in the enemy jungle
 
Hades911 said:
Lol I would just go farm enemy jungle, No one ever looks in the enemy jungle
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I always do when I play Slark....somewhere between being almost unkillable and potential enemy pick-off's it's a good place to be.
 
Deadmanza said:
Eish... Reading this thread actually makes me sad now.
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Don't be sad... Come play some trench dota with us!

PS: My one good friend, who plays most his games in very high bracket, has been able to find quite a few ranked games this week. Just fyi
 
scruff304 said:
Don't be sad... Come play some trench dota with us!

PS: My one good friend, who plays most his games in very high bracket, has been able to find quite a few ranked games this week. Just fyi
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My mates sitting with solo MMRs of 3K or so are finding games pretty fast as well. Day before yesterday (the last time I was on) they were finding in just a handful of minutes.

Apparently your initial calibration cannot go beyond 4K
 
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scruff304 said:
Don't be sad... Come play some trench dota with us!

PS: My one good friend, who plays most his games in very high bracket, has been able to find quite a few ranked games this week. Just fyi
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Yea, haven't played in a month, played 1 game last weekend and it went super poorly :P

Organised with old clan mates to Jam tonight though!

Will try and do my MMR next week when I am on leave haha!
 
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