Dragon Age Veil Guard

Iwojima said:
Part of, not centered around. There is a massive difference between have LGBTQ considerations in a game and actively being preached at.
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Have you played the full game? How often does it come up?
 
Cray said:
Have you played the full game? How often does it come up?
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Why would I waste my time on something that EA/Bioware knew themselves would not go down well with fans of the series to the point of manipulating the early reviews? That alone is a red flag.

Secondly the post-launch reviews have called it middling at best.

Add to that the fact that what is already been shown by critics points to be some horrendous writing overall (before you even get to the preachy/political messaging)

I sunk countless hours into Origins and Inquisition and I can already tell from what has been shown is on another level compared to the LGBTQ "friendly" options of the previous games.

I'm simply not interested in supporting the types of low effort, politically charged, uninspired, dumbed down modern games that are killing the industry.
 
Iwojima said:
Why would I waste my time on something that EA/Bioware knew themselves would not go down well with fans of the series to the point of manipulating the early reviews?
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So you are saying that Bioware put this in, knowing that it would upset people and tank their sales? Because it clearly hasn't done that...

Iwojima said:
Secondly the post-launch reviews have called it middling at best.

Add to that the fact that what is already been shown by critics points to be some horrendous writing overall (before you even get to the preachy/political messaging)
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Except that the preachy thing that you are so enraged about seems to be a very tiny part of the overall experience, are you that outraged by it that a few screens will turn you off a game completely?

Iwojima said:
I sunk countless hours into Origins and Inquisition and I can already tell from what has been shown is on another level compared to the LGBTQ "friendly" options of the previous games.
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God forbid developers offer more options to reflect other people's lifestyles... :rolleyes:

Iwojima said:
I'm simply not interested in supporting the types of low effort, politically charged, uninspired, dumbed down modern games that are killing the industry.
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Weird, plenty of people say they are enjoying the game. Most long games have will have at least one or two examples of bad writing

Apparently, you think game companies are more interested in politics than making money. End of the day, most people don't give a sh*t about LGBTQ options in a game and will play it regardless. It's a vocal minority who scream about this and not buy the game but at the end of the day, there aren't that many of you out there.
 
Cray said:
So you are saying that Bioware put this in, knowing that it would upset people and tank their sales? Because it clearly hasn't done that...
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No, I'm saying that EA/Bioware knew that after 10 years of development and with the hindsight of recent AAA games being undone by push back from gamers that they would need to control the narrative at launch, hence the well reported on review copy controversy.

They are not the first to do it and they wont be the last.

Cray said:
Except that the preachy thing that you are so enraged about seems to be a very tiny part of the overall experience, are you that outraged by it that a few screens will turn you off a game completely?


God forbid developers offer more options to reflect other people's lifestyles...
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Well, enraged is a strong word. I prefer apathetic towards the game itself and mildly concerned about where gaming in general is headed.

I think its pretty apparent here that you've ignored most of my last 2 posts where I spell out exactly what my issues with the game are since you keep coming back to one reason as being the only deciding factor. I wont be repeating it for the 3rd time.

Cray said:
Weird, plenty of people say they are enjoying the game. Most long games have will have at least one or two examples of bad writing

Apparently, you think game companies are more interested in politics than making money.
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I never said there wasn't an audience for complete drek. People have been shoveling the latest Marvel movies into the eyes/brains for decades now, which is proof alone that consumers will consume....to a point.

Game companies are interested in making money. Studios are majorly funded by large corporate investors with certain DEI qualifiers that result in the need to push equity targets. This is no secret.

As a result certain ideologically obsessed individuals find their way into the industry. These individuals do not care about making money for said companies, they are interested in pushing their narratives and are often not picked on merit.

Unfortunately these narratives dont sell games and often result in a poor return on investment.

Cray said:
End of the day, most people don't give a sh*t about LGBTQ options in a game and will play it regardless. It's a vocal minority who scream about this and not buy the game but at the end of the day, there aren't that many of you out there.
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The game as a whole is underperforming based on the metrics that have been shown to date (e.g. Steam concurrent players) versus expected hype around such a massive franchise in development for 10 years.

So while people may not care about the LGBTQ elements they are certainly not buying the game in their droves...why is that?
 
We must live in alternate realities, Veilguard is currently the #2 top seller on Steam only behind COD and had 85k peak players, Red Dead Redemption 2, considered one of the greatest single player games of all time, had a peak of 78k.
 
Iwojima said:
The game as a whole is underperforming based on the metrics that have been shown to date (e.g. Steam concurrent players) versus expected hype around such a massive franchise in development for 10 years.
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Um...

https://wccftech.com/dragon-age-the...ords-for-a-bioware-and-ea-single-player-game/

Dragon Age: The Veilguard Breaks Steam Records for a BioWare and EA Single Player Game​

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Dragon Age: The Veilguard launched only a few hours ago, but in this short timeframe, the game has already managed to break some Steam records. Firstly, it has reached a concurrent player peak record for a BioWare game with 70.K players. The previous best was Mass Effect Legendary Edition, which launched in May 2021 and included the full remastered trilogy of the sci-fi franchise; its Steam peak was 59.8K concurrent players.
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How many concurrent players should they have had in order to meet expectations?
 
I would be very wary to announce the game a success or failure this early on. It was in dev for a long time and also development costs in the US has far outgrown those from other countries. On the other hand it's entirely possible that it did 'fine' or 'good enough' seeing as it's on just about every platform (including EAs own launcher on PC), and the Steam numbers seem 'fine' as well.

In the end, the EA beancounters will decide if it was successful, not the Twitter/YouTube ragebaiters
 
AlphaJohn said:
80 000 x $60 still damn low if they wanna hit that $250 mill cost price.
Hope consoles did a lot better.
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Bro, CCU is not the sales figure, it's concurrent users.

Just take this example:

Helldivers 2 Steam CCU (max): 450k
Total Sales (as of June 2024): 12 million

You cannot accurately assume sales from CCU counts, games also continuously sell and for a game like this it's possible to only 'eventually' make money...
 
prod said:
Bro, CCU is not the sales figure, it's concurrent users.

Just take this example:

Helldivers 2 Steam CCU (max): 450k
Total Sales (as of June 2024): 12 million

You cannot accurately assume sales from CCU counts, games also continuously sell...
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True

Personally I'll wait for it to come to Gamepass to finally check it out. (EA Play basic is included into Gamepass and normally get EA games 6 months to a year after release.)
 
So I tried the game first for an hour....the arrr way. Showed my wife and she said let's gets this on ps5. So bought it and about 5 hours in.

Game is good not the best thing I have ever played but really solid. Combat is basically out of hogwarts legacy as a mage which is a good thing because that is the best part of that game. Graphics and game stabilty are like 10/10. Story could be better but it's enjoyable enough, I think the voice actors sound squeaky and the can get irritating which ruin the story a bit.

Worse thing for me is I am huge rpg fan and it is missing all the things I like about an rpg. I like spending an hour in menus optimizing ever aspect of my character and this is missing. My wife on the other hand hates optimizing characters so it's easier for her.

I am having fun haven't seen any woke stuff...yet. As an old school DA fan I can see the irritation with this game but for a new comer to DA I think you would enjoy the game more. Once I am further in I will give updates but so far so good.
 
prod said:
You cannot accurately assume sales from CCU counts, games also continuously sell and for a game like this it's possible to only 'eventually' make money...
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Yup, they only need to sell 417k copies at $60
 
Was the cartoonish graphics to lessen the GPU requirement?
How is it running for you?
 
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