Drive without a licence, says judge

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It seems there are circumstances under which you can drive without a licence - but you have to prove you are part of this undoubtedly frustrated group South Africans.

This is reportedly according to a senior Gauteng magistrate after it emerged that thousands of people cannot get their licences because of repeated delays by the Department of Transport.

"The failure of a state to provide its citizens with driving licences cannot be visited on these citizens," said Gauteng chief magistrate Daniel Thulare.

Thousands of citizens have been struggling to get bookings to undergo tests for licences.

Scores of law-abiding citizens are becoming increasingly frustrated due to problems bedeviling booking centres and licensing stations, especially in Gauteng, the Sowetan reports.

Thulare, who is also an evangelist, said on Friday: "The law does not expect impossibility."

"Any conviction of a citizen for driving without a licence will therefore be unlawful if the state itself has failed to test that person."

He stressed that such people would only walk free provided they were able to prove that they had taken steps to obtaining their documents.

Gauteng roads department spokesperson Philemon Motshwaedi was not available for comment.

Thulare said he was aware of people whose learner's licences expired and they had to write second tests because of delays in the system.

"If it is impossible for a state to provide its citizens with licences, the same state can't be punishing people."

Every now and then, common sense comes in like a breath of fresh air.

If you get pulled over and you can prove you have applied for a license you should be allowed to go. But if you cannot prove that you have made any application they should arrest you.
 
Agreed. If the State cannot provide for a licence, and you have done all you could do, then it's the State's fault for not fulfilling its part.
 
is that the same principle of applying ID and passport?

I can go overseas without a passport? ................... :D.

I can also not follow any AA/BEE? If I can prove that when I apply AA/BEE polices I will out of the business..... :D

I can put thousands of examples => government cannot provide me <something>......... so I am not able to comply the laws...... :D



I like that ... :D
 
And yet every so often the torrent of frustration rages in regarding people driving on the roads who, logically, couldn't have possibly passed a driver's exam.
 
Note how they point out he's an "evangelist"
 
PS : which is correct? license or licence? :confused:
In proper English (not American) as used in SA, Australia, India, and also sometimes in England:
Licence with a c is a noun.
License with an s is a verb.

Example: "His licence licenses him to practise surgery in his medical practice".

Someone who grants a licence is a licensor. The one licensed is a licensee.

In America they've dispensed with the noun/verb distinction and all is 's'. Given American cultural hegemony, this is almost all you'll see on the internet. As they say in America: "there aint a noun that can't be verbed".
 
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Sounds reasonable but I don't want some guy killing one of my family members in an accident lol.... I think they should provide proof that they have had reasonable amount of time on the road with a driving instructor for a certain amount of time....?
 
Sounds reasonable but I don't want some guy killing one of my family members in an accident lol.... I think they should provide proof that they have had reasonable amount of time on the road with a driving instructor for a certain amount of time....?

What proportion of accidents are caused due to drivers who have no idea how to correctly operate a car? I'm not saying they don't happen, but drunkenness and speeding make everything else look trivial by comparison.

The danger comes in when someone thinks they can operate a car like a pro.

I also doubt that the ridiculous K53 method teaches you anything useful. It's just wrote learning of useless rituals.
 
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What proportion of accidents are caused due to driver's who have no idea how to correctly operate a car? I'm not saying they don't happen, but drunkenness and speeding make everything else look trivial by comparison.

The danger comes in when someone thinks they can operate a car like a pro.

I also doubt that the ridiculous K53 method teaches you anything useful. It's just wrote learning of useless rituals.

Yeah I know...the amount fo accidents in South Africa is shocking! They need to improve the testing stations etc.And the amount of vehicles on our roads :eek:

k53 would cause so many accidents lol!
 
I also doubt that the ridiculous K53 method teaches you anything useful. It's just wrote learning of useless rituals.
Sure, but it does test the ability to remember & follow some rules, if only for a brief period of time. Better than nothing.
 
Yeah I know...the amount fo accidents in South Africa is shocking! They need to improve the testing stations etc.And the amount of vehicles on our roads :eek:

k53 would cause so many accidents lol!

k52 is meant to make you an observant driver , any idiot can start a car and do some basic clutch control, but not everyone is aware of their surroundings, I do agree that it should be improved, currently it is turn your head around and look at every corner - without the driver actually knowing what he should be looking at.
 
k52 is meant to make you an observant driver , any idiot can start a car and do some basic clutch control, but not everyone is aware of their surroundings, I do agree that it should be improved, currently it is turn your head around and look at every corner - without the driver actually knowing what he should be looking at.

I believe that this is where a good driving instructor compliments the entire K53 module.

I think that in the end it teaches you to be aware of your surroundings, be courteous and considerate as well as, possibly most importantly, careful.
 
Sorry but no, driving is a privilege not a right. While it is unfortunate that there are delays as far as I am concerned you only belong on the road after you have been tested.
As they say in America: "there aint a noun that can't be verbed".
I've not heard that before today.
 
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