DStv without a decoder - 2020 expected release date

[Heisenborg]

You are out of line if you brefuse to explain what point you are trying to make.
Lay out you point properly. And seeing you are starting with a satellite feed as your reference at least state what the delay would be between "live" and what you would see if you were viewing the fact same match on a monitor displaying the satellite distributed signal .
If you don't want to do that, I suggest that it is you that does not have a clue about what you are talking about.

Oh snap!

 

[genetic]

My question was pretty clear. You don’t understand the latency or delivery differences between satellite and an internet based delivery for the same stream.

Except maybe from what you have read on page 4 on the search results from Google. That means not relevant and out of date, since you don’t seem to grasp basic comprehension.

I suggest you educate yourself before embarrassing yourself even further. Satellite is a direct stream, and not a cached delivery mechanism, hence the lower latencies.

Latency is a problem with OTT networks because they are packet-based and therefore the increased use of OTT delivery results in more inherent latency. The video stream traverses hundreds of nodes an an extensive number of systems from the production down to end user devices, and each of those systems introduces a small delay. As a result, end-to-end latency is a composite of many elements – encoding, packaging, distribution/CDNs/network congestion, protocol choices, decoding and rendering in the client device – that all affect lag and latency.

Multiple factors and combinations can increase/decrease latency such as:
• encoding/decoding;
• edge server ping, load and CPU;
• Forward Error Correction (FEC);
• player settings; and
• protocol used.

Lowering streaming latency

Video streaming lags broadcast TV by up to a minute, a time difference that many companies are tackling

www.csimagazine.com

 

[genetic]

It would be interesting to see how Amazon is streaming the EPL matches they are broadcasting

Eh? They are just streaming the live feed. It's not rocket science.

 

[Geoff.D]

I suggest you educate yourself before embarrassing yourself even further. Satellite is a direct stream, and not a cached delivery mechanism, hence the lower latencies.

Lowering streaming latency

Video streaming lags broadcast TV by up to a minute, a time difference that many companies are tackling

www.csimagazine.com

Great reference!
Here are some truly prime bits out of that reference

According to a report by Conviva, 9% of video requests in the home take so long that viewers click away to something else before the video starts.
In short, latency matters.

An estimated 25% of the global population now watch video online, putting added pressure on IP networks.

If latencies are too high, compared to terrestrial, cable or satellite delivery, then viewers are exposed to social media posts, texts and on-line commentaries that can contain spoilers for their game.

Streaming delays can mount to as much minutes over the course of a football game or tennis match.

In the good olde days we used to get our knickers in a knot worrying about 3-hop satellite delay. A typical example was a satellite relayed Rugby game from NZ ( 2-hops to get to SA, then another to deliver it to the public) and sometimes 4 -hops. Very little processing delay so the dominant factor was the inherent satellite delay of 250 ms per hop (3 = 750 ms, 4 = 1 minute.)
Now that looks like chicken feed when compered to the minutes mentioned in the above reference.

 

[Lupus]

There is no such thing as live sport. The only live sport is when you are in the stadium. Everything else is delayed sport depending on how much it is processed before it is delivered to you and how long the routing is.

Generally it's only delayed by a few seconds

 

[whatwhat]

Generally it's only delayed by a few seconds

There are different feeds with different latency depending on your use case.

For example if you are a sports betting company you purchase a lower latency stream so that you can adjust the betting odds before the public sees it. This is especially helpful for those that take bets during game play, by the time the public sees the guy running for the goal and places a bet if they are going to score you have already adjusted the odds in your favour based on the outcome you've seen.

Companies like Net Insight or LimeLight have latency of less than 2 seconds for video delivery.

 

[satanboy]

So if you have no power (load shedding), you can't use DStv Now?

During last weeks load shedding I watched DStv Now, no problems.

 

[Swa]

There are different feeds with different latency depending on your use case.

For example if you are a sports betting company you purchase a lower latency stream so that you can adjust the betting odds before the public sees it. This is especially helpful for those that take bets during game play, by the time the public sees the guy running for the goal and places a bet if they are going to score you have already adjusted the odds in your favour based on the outcome you've seen.

Companies like Net Insight or LimeLight have latency of less than 2 seconds for video delivery.

Odds are determined by the number of people betting on an outcome and not the actual outcome. They are always in the house's favour. They'll find themselves under regulatory scrutiny against their operating license pretty quickly if they artificially adjusted them like that.

 

[whatwhat]

Odds are determined by the number of people betting on an outcome and not the actual outcome. They are always in the house's favour. They'll find themselves under regulatory scrutiny against their operating license pretty quickly if they artificially adjusted them like that.

They are not adjusting existing odds they are adjusting odds for bets that will be placed from that point forward. Odds are based on the likelihood of an outcome not just the size of the wagers. Having those few seconds of latency is the same as getting a few extra milliseconds on stock trades.

 

[Swa]

They are not adjusting existing odds they are adjusting odds for bets that will be placed from that point forward. Odds are based on the likelihood of an outcome not just the size of the wagers. Having those few seconds of latency is the same as getting a few extra milliseconds on stock trades.

That's how odds adjustment works. The likelihood of an outcome is determined by the number of people betting on it. No legal entity may adjust odds based on exclusive knowledge and besides, bets are closed before an event takes place otherwise people who are live can use this knowledge to place bets, lol.

 

[Digitaluser]

DStv without a decoder - 2020 expected release date

MultiChoice will soon start testing DStv Now as a standalone service.

The on-demand platform is currently only available as part of a DStv subscription, which requires a connected decoder and satellite dish.

Hi - Anybody heard any news on the dishless launch of Dstv now - rumours say that multichoice are launching a media player with a preloaded now app

 

[walterl]

We need an update on this...and I don't want a media player, I want to subscribe to DStv now and watch using the app on my smart tv

 

[whatwhat]

That's how odds adjustment works. The likelihood of an outcome is determined by the number of people betting on it. No legal entity may adjust odds based on exclusive knowledge and besides, bets are closed before an event takes place otherwise people who are live can use this knowledge to place bets, lol.

Cool story bro.

How many sport booking systems have you designed? Keen to see some of your work.

 

[Herr der Verboten]

Hi - Anybody heard any news on the dishless launch of Dstv now - rumours say that multichoice are launching a media player with a preloaded now app

Which update do you want a MyFictional or MyPartnerContent?

 

[NeonNinja]

There are different feeds with different latency depending on your use case.

For example if you are a sports betting company you purchase a lower latency stream so that you can adjust the betting odds before the public sees it. This is especially helpful for those that take bets during game play, by the time the public sees the guy running for the goal and places a bet if they are going to score you have already adjusted the odds in your favour based on the outcome you've seen.

Companies like Net Insight or LimeLight have latency of less than 2 seconds for video delivery.

So the blokes at the stadium can then cheat because they're 2 seconds ahead, yes?

 

[NeonNinja]

That's how odds adjustment works. The likelihood of an outcome is determined by the number of people betting on it. No legal entity may adjust odds based on exclusive knowledge and besides, bets are closed before an event takes place otherwise people who are live can use this knowledge to place bets, lol.

That is BS.

 

[JustAsk]

Cool story bro.

How many sport booking systems have you designed? Keen to see some of your work.

Swa's wrong. Odds are based on probability of outcome. Nothing to do with amount of people betting. It seems he's confused with lotto.

But you are wrong too . A low latency feed is of no use to the house.

You want to place your bets as early as possible to get the best odds.

With in game betting, you bet on certain mini events:
* the first runs scored/points/wicket
* score of batter
* half time score, etc

These ingame bets are only open for a limited time. 2 secs will do nothing for you. You want to bet as early as possible.

All sat feeds have 1-3 sec latency, whether live or normal playout. (uplink, hops, downlink) The lowest latency feed is rf.

 

[whatwhat]

Swa's wrong. Odds are based on probability of outcome. Nothing to do with amount of people betting. It seems he's confused with lotto.

But you are wrong too . A low latency feed is of no use to the house.

You want to place your bets as early as possible to get the best odds.

With in game betting, you bet on certain mini events:
* the first runs scored/points/wicket
* score of batter
* half time score, etc

These ingame bets are only open for a limited time. 2 secs will do nothing for you. You want to bet as early as possible.

All sat feeds have 1-3 sec latency, whether live or normal playout. (uplink, hops, downlink) The lowest latency feed is rf.

You are wrong, in game betting is dynamic bets that are offered/available during the game. These are made available as the game progresses - guy running towards goal you get a prompt is he going to score yes/no. Quick, spur of the moment bets.

First runs or half time score is pretty basic stuff.

 

[Swa]

Cool story bro.

How many sport booking systems have you designed? Keen to see some of your work.

Dude how many have you designed? You've made multiple incorrect statement about multiple things on here. I'm simply stating the practicality here which you seem to ignore as well as the regulations. No legal entity would be allowed to operate like this as it's essentially a form of price fixing. Technically they shouldn't even care as they take their fixed cut beforehand and to them it doesn't matter who wins really.

Swa's wrong. Odds are based on probability of outcome. Nothing to do with amount of people betting. It seems he's confused with lotto.

But you are wrong too . A low latency feed is of no use to the house.

You want to place your bets as early as possible to get the best odds.

With in game betting, you bet on certain mini events:
* the first runs scored/points/wicket
* score of batter
* half time score, etc

These ingame bets are only open for a limited time. 2 secs will do nothing for you. You want to bet as early as possible.

All sat feeds have 1-3 sec latency, whether live or normal playout. (uplink, hops, downlink) The lowest latency feed is rf.

I think you misunderstood. True odds are unknown. In betting the probability (or actually odds) is determined by how people bet.

Suppose you have 10 people betting R10. That's R100 in total. You have two outcomes A and B. 4 people bet R40 for outcome A and 6 people R60 for outcome B. B is seen as the highest probability but with the least return. If the house takes nothing A would have odds of 2.5 and B odds of 1.6.

It can be fixed for bets already placed or dynamic for placed bets as it changes. Either way though the outcome only matters to the people placing bets and it gets closed well before the event anyway.

 

[whatwhat]

Dude how many have you designed? You've made multiple incorrect statement about multiple things on here. I'm simply stating the practicality here which you seem to ignore as well as the regulations. No legal entity would be allowed to operate like this as it's essentially a form of price fixing. Technically they shouldn't even care as they take their fixed cut beforehand and to them it doesn't matter who wins really.


I think you misunderstood. True odds are unknown. In betting the probability (or actually odds) is determined by how people bet.

Suppose you have 10 people betting R10. That's R100 in total. You have two outcomes A and B. 4 people bet R40 for outcome A and 6 people R60 for outcome B. B is seen as the highest probability but with the least return. If the house takes nothing A would have odds of 2.5 and B odds of 1.6.

It can be fixed for bets already placed or dynamic for placed bets as it changes. Either way though the outcome only matters to the people placing bets and it gets closed well before the event anyway.

Where have I been wrong?

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“As you can see, all the “live props” in this example are currently closed. You’ll see propositions alternate back and forth between available and unavailable throughout the game, sometimes multiple times a minute.

Oddsmakers are always adjusting and refining their odds. Expect them to take down props until the book is confident that they have the upper hand.

Ultimately, you need to be vigilant to make the most of live betting.”

Now kindy f*** off, you are out of your depth.