E-toll prosecution process begins: report

Now we play the waiting game.

If it's a bluff/empty threat, nothing will happen.

If they're serious, we'll hear from the unfortunate victims before long.
 
If it was me, as the first person to be prosecuted I must/would argue:

1) That the public consultation process was flawed and simply "window dressing". The public were not effectively consulted. I myself was never consulted. Only a referendum would have been truly fair. But the government has consistently refused that knowing that they would have lost.
2) That we have already paid enough in taxes towards road maintenance, including PAYE, VAT, Fuel Levy, Vehicle License fees and Driver License fees. We have been paying those taxes for years and the government deliberately diverted funds AWAY from road maintenance, intending all along to fall back on a Tolling system.
3) That I never received any invoices and SANRAL have no proof that any invoices were delivered to me.
4) That the tolling system violates the constitution as it restricts my right to free and open travel.
5) The the SANRAL act is flawed when it comes to prosecuting individuals under this tolling system as the SANRAL act had in mind a fixed gantry system with booms, not an open road tolling system. This tolling system should therefore fall under the AARTO jurisdiction which covers open road policing.
6) That by announcing that they were suspending tolling in other provinces, SANRAL has effectively restricted tolling to one province only - Gauteng and created and unconstitutional system whereby one segment of the population are treated differently from other citizens. This is also unconstitutional.
7) That this prosecution is unconstitutional as SANRAL have already gone on record as saying they were "choosing" "test cases" to prosecute. Any prosecutions therefore under this dispensation are unconstitutional as they amount to singling out individual members of the public based on arbitrary criteria. If all 1 Million have not paid their toll fees, then all 1 Million should be equal under the law. We are not willing to be their judicial guinea pigs.
8) The GFIP has been a failure. The roads are NOT improved and are not effectively policed. Portions of the GFIP had to be re-done, should be re-done due to faulty workmanship. Certain intersections are still problematic (e.g. Gilooleys), other intersections which were previously NOT problematic, now are problematic (e.g. Reading interchange). Traffic jams are still endemic problem. There is no effective policing on the highways, and road accidents result in an inordinate number of casualties (compared internationally) and often result in complete highway closures (despite their being six lanes).

1) Has this not already been challenged and found wanting?
2) You'll need proof of these claims, also it does not relate to your willful non-payment
3) Then, in the court room, someone will ask you - "why have you not gone and paid/disputed amounts after receiving this summons?". It won't hold up, a rational person would not want to fight in court and would try and sort out the debt before appearing in court.
4) No it doesn't. There are ways to travel without using the toll roads, also there are non-billed methods to move about that do no occur toll costs.
5) I do not see how this would be relevant in paying amounts owed. By maybe there is relevance for whom the money should go to?
6) No, I disagree. This point would make all by-laws illegal.
7) Not buying this. You're making the assumption that SANRAL won't chase the rest. SANRAL needs a precident before wasting time and money on non-valid cases. You are suggesting that everyone should be charge for everything and remove plea bargains/out of court settlements form the system.
8) I agree completely, but how will this help your court case? I believe that Zuma is corrupt, doesn't legally entitle me to with hold my taxes.
 
I don’t think that they will be successful.

And if they are? The biggest problem is for the people with R80k bills because they refused to sign up with a R450 per month max. Those people should have signed up instead of risking everything.
 
And if they are? The biggest problem is for the people with R80k bills because they refused to sign up with a R450 per month max. Those people should have signed up instead of risking everything.

So you are saying they should have just bent over? Well I applaud them for the courage to stand against oppression, and I'm one of them
 
I had perhaps thought longer about that than many people on this forum! I see a lot of arguments of the non-paying mafia that is very close to mental masturbation - it may make them feel good but at the end you achieve nothing lasting....

The non-paying arguments also remind me of the groups that decided not to participate at Codesa because the whites did not decide but then crawled baxk to partipate in the elections like Constant Viljoen or the way that Buthelezi initially did not want to get rid of his Bantustan but 6 days before 27 April 1994 decided to participate.

I remain with my views that the only fair system is a user pay principke based on usage. The method of collection of the tolls can either be through toll gates or the much more convenient system of electronic tolling to prevent the built up a toll booths.

There are other methods that are much more efficient and fair. I want to know who is getting rich because of this. There is no rationality behind the e-toll choice.
As taxpayers it is our duty to keep our government honest and fair, by paying e-tolls you support corruption.
 
So you are saying they should have just bent over? Well I applaud them for the courage to stand against oppression, and I'm one of them

I don't think it can be beaten outside of the courts. That said, giving SANRAL R80k targets is playing into their hands. It's very worthwhile to go after R80k. If only the people who are hitting caps are paying then there is still not enough money coming in to make it worthwhile. That's if I take SANRAL's assertion about 80% of people being below the caps at face value.
 
I don't think it can be beaten outside of the courts. That said, giving SANRAL R80k targets is playing into their hands. It's very worthwhile to go after R80k. If only the people who are hitting caps are paying then there is still not enough money coming in to make it worthwhile. That's if I take SANRAL's assertion about 80% of people being below the caps at face value.

It would be great if we could beat this in the corts, but our courts have proven not to work. This then left the innocent citizens with difficult decisions to be make. Cry SA cry. I am waiting to see how this one ends, but I'm still willing to stand for what I believe is right nomatter the outcome of these cases
 
It would be great if we could beat this in the corts, but our courts have proven not to work. This then left the innocent citizens with difficult decisions to be make. Cry SA cry. I am waiting to see how this one ends, but I'm still willing to stand for what I believe is right nomatter the outcome of these cases

Cant wait to see the ANC cry when they loose one or more of the 3 Gauteng metros because their incompetent cadres insisted e-tolls are the way to go.

They should have just left the roads as they were, spend all the extra money on a greatly expanded Gautrain system integrated with other public transport. That is a user pays system.
 
Cant wait to see the ANC cry when they loose one or more of the 3 Gauteng metros because their incompetent cadres insisted e-tolls are the way to go.

They should have just left the roads as they were, spend all the extra money on a greatly expanded Gautrain system integrated with other public transport. That is a user pays system.


Wont happen, ANC will do something before 2016 that will retain there vote.
 
Wont happen, ANC will do something before 2016 that will retain there vote.

They seem to be slowly and surely losing support. At the moment they are still only digging their grave deeper. Will they have time to get out of that hole and will it not be just too deep for them to escape? Only time will tell
 
They should have just left the roads as they were, spend all the extra money on a greatly expanded Gautrain system integrated with other public transport. That is a user pays system.

This would have been the proper way to go. Plus, this will also reduce traffic congestion, fuel imports...


...gonna be interesting after december 2015...
 
If the sheeple haven't realised the ANC's true colours yet nothing is going to change anytime soon...
 
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