E-toll prosecution process begins: report

If it was me, as the first person to be prosecuted I must/would argue:

1) That the public consultation process was flawed and simply "window dressing". The public were not effectively consulted. I myself was never consulted. Only a referendum would have been truly fair. But the government has consistently refused that knowing that they would have lost.
2) That we have already paid enough in taxes towards road maintenance, including PAYE, VAT, Fuel Levy, Vehicle License fees and Driver License fees. We have been paying those taxes for years and the government deliberately diverted funds AWAY from road maintenance, intending all along to fall back on a Tolling system.
3) That I never received any invoices and SANRAL have no proof that any invoices were delivered to me.
4) That the tolling system violates the constitution as it restricts my right to free and open travel.
5) The the SANRAL act is flawed when it comes to prosecuting individuals under this tolling system as the SANRAL act had in mind a fixed gantry system with booms, not an open road tolling system. This tolling system should therefore fall under the AARTO jurisdiction which covers open road policing.
6) That by announcing that they were suspending tolling in other provinces, SANRAL has effectively restricted tolling to one province only - Gauteng and created and unconstitutional system whereby one segment of the population are treated differently from other citizens. This is also unconstitutional.
7) That this prosecution is unconstitutional as SANRAL have already gone on record as saying they were "choosing" "test cases" to prosecute. Any prosecutions therefore under this dispensation are unconstitutional as they amount to singling out individual members of the public based on arbitrary criteria. If all 1 Million have not paid their toll fees, then all 1 Million should be equal under the law. We are not willing to be their judicial guinea pigs.
8) The GFIP has been a failure. The roads are NOT improved and are not effectively policed. Portions of the GFIP had to be re-done, should be re-done due to faulty workmanship. Certain intersections are still problematic (e.g. Gilooleys), other intersections which were previously NOT problematic, now are problematic (e.g. Reading interchange). Traffic jams are still endemic problem. There is no effective policing on the highways, and road accidents result in an inordinate number of casualties (compared internationally) and often result in complete highway closures (despite their being six lanes).
 
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So that's it then? We must all stop fighting this and just give up? If they knock on our doors we must now pay after insisting and claiming that "I will still not pay"?

We have all stood together for this long and refused to pay? Now when they actually start their court cases we must all pay up?

I agree with you 100%, but this is just another scare tactic in my opinion.

Agreed, this is a scare tactic. They are probably hoping a few thousand people will now jump up and pay in order to avoid prosecution, but I am just afraid that these fools will actually pull this through and start the prosecution process.
 
If it was me, as the first person to be prosecuted I must/would argue:

1) That the public consultation process was flawed and simply "window dressing". The public were not effectively consulted. I myself was never consulted. Only a referendum would have been truly fair. But the government has consistently refused that knowing that they would have lost.
2) That we have already paid enough in taxes towards road maintenance, including PAYE, VAT, Fuel Levy, Vehicle License fees and Driver License fees. We have been paying those taxes for years and the government deliberately diverted funds AWAY from road maintenance, intending all along to fall back on a Tolling system.
3) That I never received any invoices and SANRAL have no proof that any invoices were delivered to me.
4) That the tolling system violates the constitution as it restricts my right to free and open travel.
5) The the SANRAL act is flawed when it comes to prosecuting individuals under this tolling system as the SANRAL act had in mind a fixed gantry system with booms, not an open road tolling system. This tolling system should therefore fall under the AARTO jurisdiction which covers open road policing.
6) That by announcing that they were suspending tolling in other provinces, SANRAL has effectively restricted tolling to one province only - Gauteng and created and unconstitutional system whereby one segment of the population are treated differently from other citizens. This is also unconstitutional.
7) That this prosecution is unconstitutional as SANRAL have already gone on record as saying they were "choosing" "test cases" to prosecute. Any prosecutions therefore under this dispensation are unconstitutional as they amount to singling out individual members of the public based on arbitrary criteria. If all 1 Million have not paid their toll fees, then all 1 Million should be equal under the law. We are not willing to be their judicial guinea pigs.

While I agree with all points, these are unfortunately things that the lower courts will not take into consideration. They will inform you and your attorneys to approach higher courts with the concerns once the trial is completed. The lower courts cannot rule on constitutional issues or the implementation of the e-toll system.

As for the lower courts, they merely be looking at evidence on whether you were on the roads at the given point in time, whether there are sufficient evidence proving that you passed a gantry and whether you paid the tolls or not. As for invoices, Sanral just need to provide evidence that it has been posted, whether delivered or not, the court will probably maintain you had a legal obligation to follow up and pay the toll fees.
 
If it was me, as the first person to be prosecuted I must/would argue:

1) That the public consultation process was flawed and simply "window dressing". The public were not effectively consulted. I myself was never consulted. Only a referendum would have been truly fair. But the government has consistently refused that knowing that they would have lost.
2) That we have already paid enough in taxes towards road maintenance, including PAYE, VAT, Fuel Levy, Vehicle License fees and Driver License fees. We have been paying those taxes for years and the government deliberately diverted funds AWAY from road maintenance, intending all along to fall back on a Tolling system.
3) That I never received any invoices and SANRAL have no proof that any invoices were delivered to me.
4) That the tolling system violates the constitution as it restricts my right to free and open travel.
5) The the SANRAL act is flawed when it comes to prosecuting individuals under this tolling system as the SANRAL act had in mind a fixed gantry system with booms, not an open road tolling system. This tolling system should therefore fall under the AARTO jurisdiction which covers open road policing.
6) That by announcing that they were suspending tolling in other provinces, SANRAL has effectively restricted tolling to one province only - Gauteng and created and unconstitutional system whereby one segment of the population are treated differently from other citizens. This is also unconstitutional.
7) That this prosecution is unconstitutional as SANRAL have already gone on record as saying they were "choosing" "test cases" to prosecute. Any prosecutions therefore under this dispensation are unconstitutional as they amount to singling out individual members of the public based on arbitrary criteria. If all 1 Million have not paid their toll fees, then all 1 Million should be equal under the law. We are not willing to be their judicial guinea pigs.
8) The GFIP has been a failure. The roads are NOT improved and are not effectively policed. Portions of the GFIP had to be re-done, should be re-done due to faulty workmanship. Certain intersections are still problematic (e.g. Gilooleys), other intersections which were previously NOT problematic, now are problematic (e.g. Reading interchange). Traffic jams are still endemic problem. There is no effective policing on the highways, and road accidents result in an inordinate number of casualties (compared internationally) and often result in complete highway closures (despite their being six lanes).

You forgot to add the fuel levy. ;)
 
While I agree with all points, these are unfortunately things that the lower courts will not take into consideration. They will inform you and your attorneys to approach higher courts with the concerns once the trial is completed. The lower courts cannot rule on constitutional issues or the implementation of the e-toll system.

As for the lower courts, they merely be looking at evidence on whether you were on the roads at the given point in time, whether there are sufficient evidence proving that you passed a gantry and whether you paid the tolls or not. As for invoices, Sanral just need to provide evidence that it has been posted, whether delivered or not, the court will probably maintain you had a legal obligation to follow up and pay the toll fees.

Rubbish, we have been through this before. The lower courts are just as bound by the constitution. You were proven wrong at that time as well.
 
Rubbish, we have been through this before. The lower courts are just as bound by the constitution. You were proven wrong at that time as well.

Well, an application brought by the DA to have e-Tolls declared unconstitutional and invalid has already been dismissed by a High Court. So, for all legal purposes, the damn system still remains constitutionally correct, so, it will be very difficult for any person to use constitutionality as a defense, especially when a lower court cannot make any rulings on the constitution, which by the way still is in favor of e-Tolls in any event.
 
Maybe people should finally get off their arses, when one million of us show up to protest at the steps of the first court case government will have no choice but to notice. Burning stuff, rioting & looting seems to always help.
 
Maybe people should finally get off their arses, when one million of us show up to protest at the steps of the first court case government will have no choice but to notice. Burning stuff, rioting & looting seems to always help.

That's the language our government understands
 
But they would be losing money.. these are all already tax paying people, if these people hypothetically lost their jobs, they would be losing way more tax money than an outstanding etolls bill. I agree that they stupid, but they not stupid when it comes to being greedy.

Does it look they (government) care about the money lost in the plat strikes etc? They give a rats-ass about tax payers..
 
Maybe people should finally get off their arses, when one million of us show up to protest at the steps of the first court case government will have no choice but to notice. Burning stuff, rioting & looting seems to always help.
+1000000
 
Well, an application brought by the DA to have e-Tolls declared unconstitutional and invalid has already been dismissed by a High Court. So, for all legal purposes, the damn system still remains constitutionally correct, so, it will be very difficult for any person to use constitutionality as a defense, especially when a lower court cannot make any rulings on the constitution, which by the way still is in favor of e-Tolls in any event.

They only examined it from one perspective.
 
They only examined it from one perspective.

Agreed, but unfortunately only they (the High Court), Supreme Court of Appeals and Constitutional Court are allowed to make rulings that could affect the constitutionality of the asswipe system, the lower court have no say and can make their rulings only in terms of what the High Court already found - that it is indeed constitutional.
 
I know that big businesses, such as banks, expect their employees to pay toll fees. If convicted, it will be a traffic offence and the employee may, with a small possibility, still stay employed. But, future promotions will be out of the window. No corporation will be able to justify an appointment, new or promotion, if a person has a criminal record.

Actually... you might get the job for having stood up against etolls AND have the record to prove it :p
 
If I would be in court, I would just ask that the judge be replaced with someone that is not on the government pension fund as it will cause him to be biased as they it to fund this project!
 
I wonder if FireTelkom has had time to think yet on the fairness and unfairness...

I had perhaps thought longer about that than many people on this forum! I see a lot of arguments of the non-paying mafia that is very close to mental masturbation - it may make them feel good but at the end you achieve nothing lasting....

The non-paying arguments also remind me of the groups that decided not to participate at Codesa because the whites did not decide but then crawled baxk to partipate in the elections like Constant Viljoen or the way that Buthelezi initially did not want to get rid of his Bantustan but 6 days before 27 April 1994 decided to participate.

I remain with my views that the only fair system is a user pay principke based on usage. The method of collection of the tolls can either be through toll gates or the much more convenient system of electronic tolling to prevent the built up a toll booths.
 
I won't pay, even if it means imprisonment(many myBB members will have ball in prison). The only way to combat this if we all stand together as a nation we can win this battle.

Yep, let's wait & see what happens, interesting times ahead
 
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