Early adopters may face Windows 7 problems

Will you be an early adopter of Windows 7?

  • Yes

    Votes: 69 68.3%

  • No

    Votes: 32 31.7%
  • Total voters
    101
Justin202 said:
This statement makes no sense whatsoever. Windows is the most dominant only due to the fact that it had the lead in the market. You obviously have never used OS X and thus cannot make statements like this. OS X is by far more superior to Windows in logical ease of use and security.
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I don't understand, it makes perfect sense to me. What I'm saying is that Windows is no longer easier to use than other OSes. If Windows continues to remain dominant this late in the game because (as you put it) it had the lead in the market, then why hasn't it been overtaken by competitors' products that are (IMO anyway) superior to it?

Lack of awareness and a stifling of competition due to the dominant position of Windows in the market is what now sustains it's dominance. It really can't be anything else now. I'm not talking about how it got to it's position of dominance, I'm talking about how it sustains it despite more competent competition.

You cannot tell me Apple spends less time perfecting OS X just because it has a smaller market share. It is only because it came later than Windows.
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Statement makes no sense.

Take note as well that a lot of what you are now seeing coming through in Windows has already been developed in OS X.
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Agreed, but OSX is their platform. I'm talking about the ISV's out there making software. What percentage of them port their software to other platforms, or bother to handle exporting to formats other than Excel or other proprietary MS stuff?
 
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For some odd reason, I actually like the simple WindowsXP. But times are changing, so I think eventually [like after the first service pack sorts out the launch hic ups] have to switch to windows 7 and when I do it'll be a fresh install, upgrading from winXP [or vista] is like getting a used version of 7, and I'd rather start off clean
 
Don't quite agree ...

porchrat said:
As far as I can see the main thing Windows has over every other OS is that it is dominant and this unfortunately creates a self-sustaining system because the more dominant it is the less time developers spend coding for other OSes because it doesn't make economic sense to spend large amounts of time coding for an OS used by less than 10% of the computers in the world, thus cementing the dominance of Windows.
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Justin202 said:
This statement makes no sense whatsoever. Windows is the most dominant only due to the fact that it had the lead in the market. You obviously have never used OS X and thus cannot make statements like this. OS X is by far more superior to Windows in logical ease of use and security. You cannot tell me Apple spends less time perfecting OS X just because it has a smaller market share. It is only because it came later than Windows.

Take note as well that a lot of what you are now seeing coming through in Windows has already been developed in OS X.
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Justin, I think you missed porchrat's point entirely ... His argument had nothing to do with the technical superiority of Windows, but the fact that BECAUSE it has a lion's share of the market already, software houses tend to focus on it, because that is where most of their potential clients are.

As far as OS X is concerned, I'm afraid it's got a long uphill battle ahead if it wants to compete head on with Windows, and the reason is simple ... how would I, as a normal Joe Doe, go about evaluating it? If I can't try it out, there is no way I'll invest in it. Windows I know. Linux I can try out for free, no obligation. OS X? My perception may be inaccurate, but OS X is tied to incompatible hardware, therefore I can't just take it for a spin. that being the case, I'm never going to get real exposure. Until Apple can overcome that hurdle, they will only win the upper end of the market, not Joe Average.
 
porchrat said:
Lack of awareness and a stifling of competition due to the dominant position of Windows in the market is what now sustains it's dominance. It really can't be anything else now. I'm not talking about how it got to it's position of dominance, I'm talking about how it sustains it despite more competent competition.
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Most major companies implemented Windows when it came on the market then used it when servers came about to run their networks and websites. The main reason Windows became dominant is for the reason that most believed Windows was the only way to go in running their company's IT. And going back a few years Windows was the only all in one option. Because of this large companies have kept on with this and feel the expense to now replace millions of dollars worth of hardware and software is not worthwhile no matter how much better other OS's are. This is how Windows keeps it's dominance.

It is the individuals out there that opt for other OS's and to some degree new companies.
 
pmbellis said:
Justin, I think you missed porchrat's point entirely ... His argument had nothing to do with the technical superiority of Windows, but the fact that BECAUSE it has a lion's share of the market already, software houses tend to focus on it, because that is where most of their potential clients are.

As far as OS X is concerned, I'm afraid it's got a long uphill battle ahead if it wants to compete head on with Windows, and the reason is simple ... how would I, as a normal Joe Doe, go about evaluating it? If I can't try it out, there is no way I'll invest in it. Windows I know. Linux I can try out for free, no obligation. OS X? My perception may be inaccurate, but OS X is tied to incompatible hardware, therefore I can't just take it for a spin. that being the case, I'm never going to get real exposure. Until Apple can overcome that hurdle, they will only win the upper end of the market, not Joe Average.
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I don't think I missed the point here. OS X is built on open source. The main structure is put together by Apple but contributions to the actual OS are supplied by millions of developers. Apple supplies all of it's OS's before release free to developers for their input.

In terms of Software developed specifically for Windows most will run seamlessly now on OS X either through Apple's own software or through open source free software running on OS X.
 
Budza said:
Think you missed his point...

3rd Party software. Can you play games on your X?
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Can you play Star Ocean (any version), Valkyria Chronicles or Tales of Vesperia on your WinTel PC?

There are many games for Mac, even some recent ones. Still there are dozens of games which need a console. The last JRPG ported to WinTel was Grandia 2
for example.

Point is that even WinTel sucks at games, depending on what you play. If you play Mac OSX released games - OSX is a gaming platform, if WinTel is a gaming platform. If you wanna play J-RPGs newer than Grandia 2 or FF7/8 - a PS3/XBOX360/PSP is the only way to go; or even games like the lasted ed of Halo.
 
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I think it's always better to just do a proper format and reinstall.
 
eltherza said:
For some odd reason, I actually like the simple WindowsXP. But times are changing, so I think eventually [like after the first service pack sorts out the launch hic ups] have to switch to windows 7 and when I do it'll be a fresh install, upgrading from winXP [or vista] is like getting a used version of 7, and I'd rather start off clean
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Note that all the premier Enterprise Laptop makers are allowing the XP option still. My NEC has XP instead of Vista, my Panasonic has XP likewise, HP and Dell also offer the XP upgrade. Only consumer manufacturers don't allow this.
 
pmbellis said:
OS X? My perception may be inaccurate, but OS X is tied to incompatible hardware, therefore I can't just take it for a spin. that being the case, I'm never going to get real exposure. Until Apple can overcome that hurdle, they will only win the upper end of the market, not Joe Average.
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I think you have a fair point there. It must be noted that you can install OS X on software other than a Mac, sure you are not supposed to but it is possible. I've done it, but it can get a bit messy.

I do believe Microsoft has the upper hand in terms of development suites though, which I believe also has an impact. At the moment for example my work is done on IntelliJ and even though I enjoy java and the IDE, when I go home and play with my Visual Studio (or when I use it for work), it really feels more refined. Sure, there are pro's and con's to both sides, I'm not arguing that.

By comparison, using Cocoa to build apps for the iPhone is not bad either, but again, I can't honestly say that it can compare with the Visual Studio experience.
 
The only time I change OS is when I change computer. And I ain't changing my computer any time soon.
 
This is stupid, Clean install for the operating system, simple as that.

Regardless, there will be work around in on time.

I have fully switched over to windows 7 RC (Build 7100), so anless the drivers that are release for the RTM wont work on the RC I wont switch for a farir while.
 
foX2delta said:
This is stupid, Clean install for the operating system, simple as that.

Regardless, there will be work around in on time.

I have fully switched over to windows 7 RC (Build 7100), so anless the drivers that are release for the RTM wont work on the RC I wont switch for a farir while.
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I had no problems Win98 -> WinME -> XP.

Ok. ME sucked but XP was >> ME/98.

No re-formatting ever from 1992 and MS DOS 5.0 and Windoze 3.1.
 
Justin202 said:
Most major companies implemented Windows when it came on the market then used it when servers came about to run their networks and websites. The main reason Windows became dominant is for the reason that most believed Windows was the only way to go in running their company's IT. And going back a few years Windows was the only all in one option. Because of this large companies have kept on with this and feel the expense to now replace millions of dollars worth of hardware and software is not worthwhile no matter how much better other OS's are. This is how Windows keeps it's dominance.

It is the individuals out there that opt for other OS's and to some degree new companies.
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You have to consider a few more factors than that. When a company needs to decide between Microsoft and Open Source there is far more to consider than just the cost of the OS. Sometimes open source is better and sometimes Microsoft is better and sometimes cheaper isn't really cheaper [to keep it really really really short].
 
Lazy said:
You have to consider a few more factors than that. When a company needs to decide between Microsoft and Open Source there is far more to consider than just the cost of the OS. Sometimes open source is better and sometimes Microsoft is better and sometimes cheaper isn't really cheaper [to keep it really really really short].
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+1

Even though I am a strong supporter of open source software, it is not ideal for every situation.

3G-Spot said:
I'll wait for service pack 3....when it's actually ready!
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This is Service Pack 3...Vista Service Pack 3 :p
 
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Still don't agree ...

Justin202 said:
I don't think I missed the point here. OS X is built on open source. The main structure is put together by Apple but contributions to the actual OS are supplied by millions of developers. Apple supplies all of it's OS's before release free to developers for their input.

In terms of Software developed specifically for Windows most will run seamlessly now on OS X either through Apple's own software or through open source free software running on OS X.
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OS X may be built on open source, but that is not the point.

1.) The original point was that Windows retains dominance because software developers concentrate on that market. Just because Apple supplies it's OS to developers doesn't mean that they choose to develop for that OS. When you say that "most will run seamlessly", is that a given, or do I need technical knowledge to get it working? If so, once again you've lost Joe Average.

2.) You have not addressed my 2nd point at all ... personally I think this is a MUCH bigger obstacle to OS X achieving significant market share.
 
OS X is missing only one letter to make it useful. That letter is P.

Seriously though, I installed the beta of 7 when it came out and upgraded to RC. While I would have liked to upgrade to the final release (7 is stable) I would rather clean install.
 
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