Early adopters may face Windows 7 problems

[Justin202]

OS X may be built on open source, but that is not the point.

1.) The original point was that Windows retains dominance because software developers concentrate on that market. Just because Apple supplies it's OS to developers doesn't mean that they choose to develop for that OS. When you say that "most will run seamlessly", is that a given, or do I need technical knowledge to get it working? If so, once again you've lost Joe Average.

2.) You have not addressed my 2nd point at all ... personally I think this is a MUCH bigger obstacle to OS X achieving significant market share.

Of course they choose to develop for that OS. To be a developer for OS X you have to sign up first and be accepted as a developer then you are either given a pre release copy of OS X to work on at Apple's World Wide Developers Conference or download it from their developer website.

Runs seamlessly is pretty self explanatory - running applications.

To cover your second point, how did you first get to use Windows? You had to or eventually had to buy it or it came with your new PC. It was your choice to go with Windows. If you decide to try out OS X there are ways to do this. Go to their website where it perfectly explains the transition from PC to Mac or visit an Apple shop all over SA. But THIS IS YOUR choice if it is something you want to do. You only remain Joe Average if you don't try new things.

I don't deny that Windows retains dominance in the market and I believe it always will however statistically OS X increases market share year after year. FACT.

 

[Creag]

I'll wait for service pack 3....when it's actually ready!

Okay! Maybe I will give it a swing after SP1. But yeah, that's the idea of it.

 

[Creag]

I had no problems Win98 -> WinME -> XP.

Ok. ME sucked but XP was >> ME/98.

No re-formatting ever from 1992 and MS DOS 5.0 and Windoze 3.1.

I think you've just been incredibly lucky!

 

[foX2delta]

I had no problems Win98 -> WinME -> XP.

Ok. ME sucked but XP was >> ME/98.

No re-formatting ever from 1992 and MS DOS 5.0 and Windoze 3.1.

No denying that it works to upgrade, but i rater do a clean install, its cleaner that way, less chance of old crap, miss matched settings etc.

For a power user and someone who wants it to work 95% (80% for upgrade) i say install.

 

[Lazy]

To cover your second point, how did you first get to use Windows? You had to or eventually had to buy it or it came with your new PC. It was your choice to go with Windows. If you decide to try out OS X there are ways to do this. Go to their website where it perfectly explains the transition from PC to Mac or visit an Apple shop all over SA. But THIS IS YOUR choice if it is something you want to do. You only remain Joe Average if you don't try new things.

I don't deny that Windows retains dominance in the market and I believe it always will however statistically OS X increases market share year after year. FACT.

My first PC might have been running DOS, but it was not DOS that drew the attention, it was PATHFINDER which as far as I recall had nothing to do with Microsoft. So while PATHFINDER was not the OS, it certainly was the interface that most people I knew, used. Ok, so I'm going back to 1985 or somewhere there.

Apart from going to an Apple shop, there is a bit of a difference. You can get a copy of windows (albeit illegal) and run it on your pc no sweat. You can't do the same with OS X, unless you have compatible hardware or a Mac. Playing around with an OS is a little more intensive than walking past a window, looking through the glass windows and going wow, that's nice. Going to their website which explains the transition from PC to Mac in this example is about as comparible as going to telkom's site and comparing them [from their own words] to neotel, isn't it?

 

[Justin202]

My first PC might have been running DOS, but it was not DOS that drew the attention, it was PATHFINDER which as far as I recall had nothing to do with Microsoft. So while PATHFINDER was not the OS, it certainly was the interface that most people I knew, used. Ok, so I'm going back to 1985 or somewhere there.

Apart from going to an Apple shop, there is a bit of a difference. You can get a copy of windows (albeit illegal) and run it on your pc no sweat. You can't do the same with OS X, unless you have compatible hardware or a Mac. Playing around with an OS is a little more intensive than walking past a window, looking through the glass windows and going wow, that's nice. Going to their website which explains the transition from PC to Mac in this example is about as comparible as going to telkom's site and comparing them [from their own words] to neotel, isn't it?

Eish! As I've said, if it's something you want to try you'll make an effort like with anything else and go and do it. If not, it's your choice. If you're interested there are a lot of forums out there to learn more before you decide. Unfortunately in this country they don't have open free seminars on the OS as they do overseas. Those who choose to go with Mac do it and never turn back to Windows.

How we got onto DOS now has lost me.

 

[PeterCH]

My first PC might have been running DOS, but it was not DOS that drew the attention, it was PATHFINDER which as far as I recall had nothing to do with Microsoft. So while PATHFINDER was not the OS, it certainly was the interface that most people I knew, used. Ok, so I'm going back to 1985 or somewhere there.

Apart from going to an Apple shop, there is a bit of a difference. You can get a copy of windows (albeit illegal) and run it on your pc no sweat. You can't do the same with OS X, unless you have compatible hardware or a Mac. Playing around with an OS is a little more intensive than walking past a window, looking through the glass windows and going wow, that's nice. Going to their website which explains the transition from PC to Mac in this example is about as comparible as going to telkom's site and comparing them [from their own words] to neotel, isn't it?

You can work in OSX the same way you work in Windoze. Right click? no problem, yes you can do it. Taskbar? - Yes, the Dock does the same thing.
Search - yes, much faster than Windows. Norton Commander - Yes clones exist. Run Windows apps - via Bootcamp or Emulation. GUI? Yes. Menus? Yes.

 

[astrauss]

It sucks, it's (MS)life, move on!!

 

[Lazy]

How we got onto DOS now has lost me.

You mentioned how/why 'we' got into windows in the first place. My [subtle] point was that there were days before windows ;c)

Those who choose to go with Mac do it and never turn back to Windows.

I run both Windows XP and OS X Leopard and have yet to turn my back on Windows.

 

[Lazy]

You can work in OSX the same way you work in Windoze. Right click? no problem, yes you can do it. Taskbar? - Yes, the Dock does the same thing.
Search - yes, much faster than Windows. Norton Commander - Yes clones exist. Run Windows apps - via Bootcamp or Emulation. GUI? Yes. Menus? Yes.

Yup, but as I said earlier, developing in Microsoft Visual Studio feels better to me [personally]. It's all about who you are and what you are willing to live with at the end of the day as well as how much money you are willing to spend on the Mac to get the OS in the first place.

 

[Rouxenator]

You can work in OSX the same way you work in Windoze. Right click? no problem, yes you can do it. Taskbar? - Yes, the Dock does the same thing.
Search - yes, much faster than Windows. Norton Commander - Yes clones exist. Run Windows apps - via Bootcamp or Emulation. GUI? Yes. Menus? Yes.

At what price ?

 

[PeterCH]

At what price ?

Well, compare a Macbook Pro to a high end Sony Vaio if you will, spec for spec,
you won't get more cheap than Mac - but Mac has a longer battery life.

A Mac Pro costs less than an equivalent work station from Dell or HP.

What price is Win 7 Upg again? AV softs? Cost of re-formatting your PC every year or so because it slows down?

A Mac is no more expensive than an equivalently spec'ed PC.

 

[PeterCH]

Yup, but as I said earlier, developing in Microsoft Visual Studio feels better to me [personally]. It's all about who you are and what you are willing to live with at the end of the day as well as how much money you are willing to spend on the Mac to get the OS in the first place.

Oh yes, if you have specialty software I understand. If what you're doing works for you - stay as you are, I approve. But in general, people can have the Windows GUI feel on a Mac without the bloated backend.

 

[Rouxenator]

Dude, what computer are you using that needs a battery ?!
XP is free and so is AVG. My XP at home is running flawlessly since I installed it back in 2006 - why reformat every year?

Apple is not a computer, it is an expensive toy just as Ferrari is not a car, it is an expensive toy just as ....

 

[Justin202]

You mentioned how/why 'we' got into windows in the first place. My [subtle] point was that there were days before windows ;c)



I run both Windows XP and OS X Leopard and have yet to turn my back on Windows.

I never mentioned how/why 'we' got into Windows in the first place. My main point, if you paid attention, was that OS X is superior to Windows and if you run on OS X why are you going on about the hows and wheres of getting hands on with an OS X machine? If you need Windows for a specific task, fine, but both can be used from one machine, a Mac.

 

[PeterCH]

Dude, what computer are you using that needs a battery ?!
XP is free and so is AVG. My XP at home is running flawlessly since I installed it back in 2006 - why reformat every year?

Apple is not a computer, it is an expensive toy just as Ferrari is not a car, it is an expensive toy just as ....

Not everyone uses a computer tethered to a mains line 24/7. Some people take their laptops on the road with them or to a meeting or to a presentation.... er... no?

XP is not free. However, this thread is about Win 7 and that needs to be purchased once the RTM/RC expires.

XP can run well as can Win 7 (less so) but the problem lies in the registry and increasing bloat and the patches which cause problems.

If you will, a Mac can be a Ferrari but while a Ferrari will set you back R5 million and a car you're comparing it to R80,000 a high end Vaio with the same high res screen, same 3D card, same HDD space/SSD and a shorter battery life will cost the same. There are advantages to having a high res 17 inch screen - such as more Windows open at once for example.

A Ferrari is 63 times more expensive than a cheap car.

Sure you could compare and say a low res 17 inch Celeron laptop of 3kg and battery life of 1.5hours is half the price of a MBP - but you're comparing Apples and Oranges.

 

[ginggs]

At what price ?

OS X Snow Leopard upgrade: $29.
Windows 7 Professional upgrade: $99.

Ubuntu Karmic Koala: priceless.

 

[porchrat]

Well, compare a Macbook Pro to a high end Sony Vaio if you will, spec for spec,
you won't get more cheap than Mac - but Mac has a longer battery life.

A Mac Pro costs less than an equivalent work station from Dell or HP.

What price is Win 7 Upg again? AV softs? Cost of re-formatting your PC every year or so because it slows down?

A Mac is no more expensive than an equivalently spec'ed PC.

Then again you can't change the battery yourself. Or can you now? I don't really keep up to date with Macs, but that was always an issue for me. I am way too afraid to send my laptop in to be repaired or anything because these servicing people (even the official ones) lose the laptops, claim water damage or plain charge you and fix nothing (terrible experiences in the past with HP). So if I needed to send my macbook in every time I need the battery changed it would be an issue for me.

OS X Snow Leopard upgrade: $29.
Windows 7 Professional upgrade: $99.

Ubuntu Karmic Koala: priceless.

Priceless until ext4 eats your /home directory

 

[Rouxenator]

OS X Snow Leopard upgrade: $29.
Windows 7 Professional upgrade: $99.

Ubuntu Karmic Koala: priceless.

Percentage of application it can run :
OS X Snow Leopard upgrade: 2.9%
Windows 7 Professional upgrade: 99%
Ubuntu Karmic Koala: 0%

If you will, a Mac can be a Ferrari but while a Ferrari will set you back R5 million and a car you're comparing it to R80,000 a high end Vaio with the same high res screen, same 3D card, same HDD space/SSD and a shorter battery life will cost the same.

Sure a Lancer Evo X will cost a lot like a Ferarri, but why do you need it when you can drive an average Hyundai with a fake drivers license?

 

[Jacques]

microsoft should provide the option to type in the Vista serial when upgrading an upgraded Windows 7 RC to the final release.

If an upgrade can work OK, then why waste time on a clean install?

I'm running the RC on my work laptop, and it runs fine with 98% of the programs installed.

There was some initial hick-ups after the upgrade, but it was sorted out in a few days.

I'll agree with those who call Windows 7: Vista SP3

The Mac versus PC debate is rather boring by now.....just use the OS and technology that suits your needs and your pocket.