Emigration....... Are people serious

zahadoom

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Good day all
I'm curious to find out something.
I hear people saying they would in a second emigrate especially when the load shedding strikes.
Do you really think they are serious or is it just talk?
Would you leave if given the oppturnity?
 
Good day all
I'm curious to find out something.
I hear people saying they would in a second emigrate especially when the load shedding strikes.
Do you really think they are serious or is it just talk?
Would you leave if given the oppturnity?

I guess it simply means people are on the lookout for opportunities elsewhere. If the country is right, the job fits, and there is no family holding them back, to many people it is a no-brainer.

Personally, I'd strongly consider it given the opportunity.
 
Did get an opportunity last year to relocate to San Francisco and would have considered but visa restrictions would have prevented my wife from working and SF is damn expensive.

Grass is not greener on the other side. Then again I do have an education, a spouse with a skill on international skills shortage list and the finances to leave so perhaps why I don't feel I'm forced to stay.
 
No.

But if you had a Shuttleworth luck, you can live and go anywhere anytime.
 
Yeah I'm quite serious. I'm interviewing for 2 jobs in the US next week.
 
Two hours a day (if that) of no electricity hardly justifies the hyper-inflated price of inverters and generators, let alone the cost of emigrating. I'd imagine those who make this decision perceive their lives will be better for other reasons.
 
Did get an opportunity last year to relocate to San Francisco and would have considered but visa restrictions would have prevented my wife from working and SF is damn expensive.

Grass is not greener on the other side. Then again I do have an education, a spouse with a skill on international skills shortage list and the finances to leave so perhaps why I don't feel I'm forced to stay.

You know, she could have also applied for an H1B (and worked). Also, she can work mid-green card application (1-3 years depending), or study further at any time. I think you were crazy to not get your foot in the door when you had a chance.
 
You know, she could have also applied for an H1B. Also, she can work mid-green card application (1-3 years depending), or study further at any time. I think you were crazy to not get your foot in the door when you had a chance.

I'm not the only "crazy" one to turn down the opportunity and its all for the same reason. The opportunity still stands, just the conditions have not improved.
 
Good day all
I'm curious to find out something.
I hear people saying they would in a second emigrate especially when the load shedding strikes.
Do you really think they are serious or is it just talk?
Would you leave if given the oppturnity?

I am about to wrap up a three month stay in an impoverished nation. I have found that I miss humanity. I miss people who respect each other. People who are honest. People who are not sour, sullen, ugly sick fcks filled with hatred. Tomorrow, away from South Africa, I will have water interruptions for a couple weeks. I have spent much of my time away from SA with daily power cuts.

So no, I will not leave South Africa because of load shedding.

I will leave South Africa because I miss human decency.

(And no, I am not convinced true human decency ever existed in South Africa)
 
Good day all
I'm curious to find out something.
I hear people saying they would in a second emigrate especially when the load shedding strikes.
Do you really think they are serious or is it just talk?
Would you leave if given the oppturnity?

It's not as simple as packing up and going.

The biggest thing keeping me here is a close-knit family. As far as work and cashflow goes, I'd probably need to change occupations, and since I'm unemployable, set up my own business. It's really easy to be entrepreneurial here - there's a real shortage of people able to produce quality work reliably. Over there, I don't know - there are a ****load of capable people.

Having said that... I hate living here. Even a trip to the shops 2km away is likely to cause severe stress. Road rage is always just one idiot away. I drove around LA in peak traffic and it was a pleasure compared to this ****hole. Things here a falling apart, and nobody is able to hire competent people to fix it either because of BEE, or the skills shortage. Even going out for a few beers is unpleasant. I've found people overseas to be not only friendlier, but more interesting too. I truly hate this place.

And none of that will ever change.

So yes, given an opportunity, I'd jump ship without hesitation; having to make my own opportunity, it's probably going to take me a few more years to build up the will-power.

I miss people who respect each other. People who are honest. People who are not sour, sullen, ugly sick fcks filled with hatred.

I will leave South Africa because I miss human decency.

(And no, I am not convinced true human decency ever existed in South Africa)

Couldn't have put it better myself, and I'm one of those sour, sullen, ugly sick fcks filled with hatred... here. In a civilised setting, I'm friendly, and happy to deal with "first world problems" like a normal, relaxed human being.
 
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Deadly serious. Would love to leave but not because of rolling blackouts.
 
I think blackouts (and the wider crappiness of Eskom) is one factor among many for most of us. So, no not going because of blackouts specifically but it factors in with loads of reasons!

Also, every country has problems, that's true, but it depends which problems you are willing to cope with.
 
Yep, I've applied for four jobs in Europe. To be fair, it's a career change aswell as a location change, albeit for a much lower salary. To me it's about future potential. I'm happy to be poor in a country with an optimistic future, instead of a doomed country. That's the official reason; the real reason is I'm tired of being blamed and punished for things that happened before I was born.
 
Yep, I've applied for four jobs in Europe. To be fair, it's a career change aswell as a location change, albeit for a much lower salary. To me it's about future potential. I'm happy to be poor in a country with an optimistic future, instead of a doomed country. That's the official reason; the real reason is I'm tired of being blamed and punished for things that happened before I was born.

Right, it's all about potential rather than immediate standard of living upgrades. When I moved to the SF Bay Area, I took an immediate hit in standard of living (large house to 2 bed apartment), but after 6 years at the same job my income was ~2.5x higher than when I arrived (a big difference in a country that has super low inflation), which was very comfortable, and afforded a lifestyle I couldn't have achieved in SA as an employee. Not to mention that even as a foreigner, I felt more welcome there than in SA.
 
Yup,

Took me 2 months from being offered a job to quitting and landing in Europe. My lifelong mate back home moved to NZ 6 months later and just bought a house there.

It's scary, but worth it.
 
Yup. Already did & judging by how much Afrikaans I hear UK side I'm not alone.

Do you really think they are serious or is it just talk?
The people saying "hopefully by end of next year"....40% chance they'll go.

The people saying they'll leave if it gets really bad / make a run for the border...0% chance.

The ones definitely going tend to be quiet about it and then announce one day they signed a job offer / bought one way plane tickets.

A lot of people talk big...until they see the costs & visa difficulties involved.

Grass is not greener on the other side.
Lived in 2 countries since SA & it sure seems greener to me. It is dependent on personal circumstances though so it'll differ by person.

Yep, I've applied for four jobs in Europe [...] albeit for a much lower salary. To me it's about future potential.
Thats insane bro. You need a good 20% higher salary Europe side to match lifestyle.
 
Got my Expression of Interest on Monday. Did my forms for police clearance on Wednesday. Did my medicals and X-rays today.
As soon as my police clearance is done my GF and I submit for visa's. Spent R82 000 so far. Very serious about leaving.

Money will be well spent. Rather go somewhere where I'm not persecuted for being white and everything being my fault.
I would rather get by in a country that has no water and electricity issues and where civil servants do their job or lose them and where the 'peoples king' doesn't piss my hard earned tax money of shacks for R6 mill a pop.

People who don't realise this country is fuct and want to leave are a) making a killing off the tax payer while the country has a tax base to tax or b) in denial because they have no means of leaving. Nothing has come right in the last 20 years, nothing is coming right with the electricity, the water is going to ****, the economy is going to ****, the 'president' is stealing with literally 0 accountability, violent crime at an all time high, police robbing people, xenophobia.

Unfortunately it takes a bunch of thieves shooting someones family, raping their daughters, torturing their sons, stealing their property and then staring them blankly in the face with no remorse in a courtroom and getting off with a slap on the wrist for people to realise this place has already become a cesspool. I'll be getting out before I become a victim to one or more of the above (in some cases again).
 
Yep, I've applied for four jobs in Europe. To be fair, it's a career change aswell as a location change, albeit for a much lower salary. To me it's about future potential. I'm happy to be poor in a country with an optimistic future, instead of a doomed country. That's the official reason; the real reason is I'm tired of being blamed and punished for things that happened before I was born.

HavocXphere makes a good point. Do you mean lower in relative terms or in absolute terms? In my case, my income doubled in absolute terms when I left, but I was still worse off. I couldn't imagine jumping down to an SA salary in the 1st world.
 
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