Emigration to the USA

I got back from Miami and NYC a month ago.I have never been so relieved to be back on SA soil.I wish I had visited the southern part of the states though so I could have had a nice experience like you did.I lost about 6 kg because the food is so bad.Nothing tasted nice.The pizza in NYC is so bad I was craving a debonairs pizza when I got home (wtf!).But what is worst than USA is the people in England!Atleast you know with an American where you stand.

Good luck with your situation.
 
Amazing, so I am not the only one that prefers to stay here.
 
Which part of the US were you in?
Raleigh, North Carolina


Thanks for the update VikashLurker.

I've heard similar things about the food there - you get a lot of food for your money, but it isn't great.

The fastfood is good. Bigger portions and not too badly priced. But the sit down stuff was not up to our standard here. Again, it was really a handful of places that I sampled so it might just be a case of not knowing the good spots.
 
PS have you seen that Zuma has recalled Gordhan from an international trip? Best to buy your dollars now!
 
I got back from Miami and NYC a month ago.I have never been so relieved to be back on SA soil.I wish I had visited the southern part of the states though so I could have had a nice experience like you did.I lost about 6 kg because the food is so bad.Nothing tasted nice.The pizza in NYC is so bad I was craving a debonairs pizza when I got home (wtf!).But what is worst than USA is the people in England!Atleast you know with an American where you stand.

Good luck with your situation.

Thanks.

Something that I didn't mention in my post above, is that I noticed a change in just moving from county to county. Nevermind State. We took a drive out to Richmond which was about 1 hour out and OMG. That place was dodgy as hell. So I really think you need to judge it State by state. You can't draw a conclusion from visiting just one state. From what I've heard, the northern states can be quite miserable. I met a few people who moved south for a better quality of life.

Amazing, so I am not the only one that prefers to stay here.

I wouldn't mind staying in the States. I consider the nuances to be fairly minor and easy to just put up with.
 
The problem for me is that, while I'd like to emigrate to get a new passport, I don't really want to leave my job yet. Started a new job last year April, I'd want to stay in this job for at least another 2 years.
 
In my opinion there is only one really big thing you need to watch out for in the US, and that is the insane consumerism culture (exactly why for example all food is fast, or they have that variety of cars on the road). With young kids especially, they can easily fall into it with peer pressure and the literal never ending onslaught of ads from everywhere. That's coming from friend of mine who has been working as a teacher for the last two years, in North Carolina actually as fate would have it.

And yes, anything that is not beef is generally not as good as over here while the food costs twice as much (in rand value), but that is something you'll just need to ignore, don't do the R/$ conversion on everything
 
Always nice to read someone's experience. Thanks, VikashLurker.

The US is so huge and diverse, even the fringe can be generalised.

Other than the national fast food chains, food varies greatly from region to region, in my experience. I'm off to East Texas this week, for a month or two. It's not the arid Texas you know from the movies; it's green and full of trees and lakes. One of the nicest restaurants just outside town is on a wine estate owned and run by a South African. Great food. But we've also eaten at a downtown restaurant where is simple barely passable meat dish was $85. So, it depends. What there is plenty of is choice.

The local and regional grocery chains have an astonishingly great selection, all immaculately displayed. Every apple is polished and labelled. Quality on most items is significantly better than we get in SA - it seems the best of our local is exported and SA consumers sit with 2nd and 3rd grade stuff. For home cooking, the taste is also generally richer and better than our local foods.

Where you pay higher than locally is for anything that involves personal services done by live bodies, like sit-down restaurants. Our local restaurants are astonishingly cheap and offer very good value, especially on meat.

People-wise the Americans are on the whole extremely polite and friendly, almost disarmingly so. I sometimes wish for a bit more British reserve. 90% of them are people without guile. Seriously.

The entertainment industry and media do us no service in their portrayals of America. All we see and read about and watch in our entertainments is Americans being bad, corrupt, immoral. So when we finally get there everything looks exactly as it does in the movies - the same cars and roads and cityscapes and suburbia, and the people speak with the same accents - and so we assume that's how they are. But it's not true. That's a fantasy world. It's not how the overwhelming majority of Americans are, especially not those working and bringing up families. They are a very decent, capable, and friendly and extremely generous people.

Small anecdote: In the same neighbourhood as my daughter lives a good friend who married an Indian (from India) about 5 years ago. When I spoke to him just over a year ago about his experience as a non-pale-male in America he said it was fantastic, not even a whiff of a hint of anything funny/racist from anyone, and far, far better than anything he has ever experienced in India or Britain.

If you can adjust to a rather different culture, and forgo the power and pulse of Africa, then you will find America an amazing place, where you can still achieve whatever you set out to do and tackle with hard work.

Good luck in your decision.
 
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The problem for me is that, while I'd like to emigrate to get a new passport, I don't really want to leave my job yet. Started a new job last year April, I'd want to stay in this job for at least another 2 years.
Good luck in which ever route you decide to go. All I can say is in SA we have a very strong work ethic. I can't see anyone not thriving in the States.

In my opinion there is only one really big thing you need to watch out for in the US, and that is the insane consumerism culture (exactly why for example all food is fast, or they have that variety of cars on the road). With young kids especially, they can easily fall into it with peer pressure and the literal never ending onslaught of ads from everywhere. That's coming from friend of mine who has been working as a teacher for the last two years, in North Carolina actually as fate would have it.

And yes, anything that is not beef is generally not as good as over here while the food costs twice as much (in rand value), but that is something you'll just need to ignore, don't do the R/$ conversion on everything

I know, it was trap I told myself not to fall into but you just can't help comparing R/$ prices.

Talking about consumerism, you hit the nail on the head. I was chatting to a colleague who emigrated from the UK and he is loving the states. I don't blame him though, anywhere is better than the UK. But he mention how he felt that people in the states lived like there was no tomorrow. People weren't scared to stretch themselves, in the way of cars, eating out & entertaining, etc.

You are constantly bombarded with Car adverts, and I felt the type of advertising was very slap stick, zero tack. Plenty of ads that just go - "Hi I am owner of this dealership, you should be buying my cars cos it is the best." Like WTF ... I've met some of the smartest people while there and it baffles me that this sort of advertising does not insult them?
 
I'd move there in a heart beat. Forests, enough said.
 
You are constantly bombarded with Car adverts, and I felt the type of advertising was very slap stick, zero tack. Plenty of ads that just go - "Hi I am owner of this dealership, you should be buying my cars cos it is the best." Like WTF ... I've met some of the smartest people while there and it baffles me that this sort of advertising does not insult them?
Hehe. That's because most TV channels - even the national networks - mostly do local adverts. Like really local, for your city. It's the local Toyota dealership that's doing the ad and paying for it, not the manufacturer as we know in SA, who can afford to do the lavish lifestyle ads we know on our TV. So ad technical production is done on a shoestring.
 
Always nice to read someone's experience. Thanks, VikashLurker.

The US is so huge and diverse, even the fringe can be generalised.

Other than the national fast food chains, food varies greatly from region to region, in my experience. I'm off to East Texas this week, for a month or two. It's not the arid Texas you know from the movies; it's green and full of trees and lakes. One of the nicest restaurants just outside town is on a wine estate owned and run by a South African. Great food. But we've also eaten at a downtown restaurant where is simple barely passable meat dish was $85. So, it depends. What there is plenty of is choice.

The local and regional grocery chains have an astonishingly great selection, all immaculately displayed. Every apple is polished and labelled. Quality on most items is significantly better than we get in SA - it seems the best of our local is exported and SA consumers sit with 2nd and 3rd grade stuff. For home cooking, the taste is also generally richer and better than our local foods.

Where you pay higher than locally is for anything that involves personal services done by live bodies, like sit-down restaurants. Our local restaurants are astonishingly cheap and offer very good value, especially on meat.

People-wise the Americans are on the whole extremely polite and friendly, almost disarmingly so. I sometimes wish for a bit more British reserve. 90% of them are people without guile. Seriously.

The entertainment industry and media do us no service in their portrayals of America. All we see and read about and watch in our entertainments is Americans being bad, corrupt, immoral. So when we finally get there everything looks exactly as it does in the movies - the same cars and roads and cityscapes and suburbia, and the people speak with the same accents - and so we assume that's how they are. But it's not true. That's a fantasy world. It's not how the overwhelming majority of Americans are, especially not those working and bringing up families. They are a very decent, capable, and friendly and extremely generous people.

Small anecdote: In the same neighbourhood as my daughter lives a good friend who married an Indian (from India) about 5 years ago. When I spoke to him just over a year ago about his experience as a non-pale-male in America he said it was fantastic, not even a whiff of a hint of anything funny/racist from anyone, and far, far better than anything he has ever experienced in India or Britain.

If you can adjust to a rather different culture, and forgo the power and pulse of Africa, then you will find America an amazing place, where you can still achieve whatever you set out to do and tackle with hard work.

Good luck in your decision.

Thanks for you kind words Arthur.
 
Oh, and if you go, pleeeeease don't join the mob that are pushing for more and more government and more and more handouts. America was built on private enterprise and small government. It assumes that people are adults who can and should run their own lives, with minimal government. In the past forty to fifty years the liberty been severely curtailed and government greatly expanded. It is this, inter alia, that has greatly damaged America and brought her to this crisis point.
 
So bottom line is the place is good, the people as well, and I am super keen to move over. The Mrs agrees this is the right thing to do for the kids, however is still very skeptical about leaving the family behind and her job security. So that is going to be my challenge going forward. A path that I plan on pursuing with caution. This cannot not be a one sided decision.

Glad you liked it, congrats!

Anyways onto a few of the things that I noticed:
The food is not as great for what you pay. They seem to do fast food really well. But as soon as you try to take it up a notch, like for opting for a sit down meal. The food is bland and just edible. I knew something was wrong when I ordered a steak and the waiter brought sauces to the table? I was like WTF is this for? I shouldn’t have to add sauce to my meal, that is the chef’s job. LOL. Well I am putting it down to just not knowing the local scene well enough to know where to eat what. Oh yeah and their wine was not great either. For the price? Not a chance. I’ve heard however that the Californian selections are a tad better, but I did not get a chance to sample that.
We really got it good here.

Just a note on this - in SA, "sit down" with a waiter and such is generally considered to be not fast food, but over here it often still is - places like Outback Steakhouse, Red Lobster, Olive Garden, etc., are really just fast food with chairs. Good sit-down generally starts at $25-$60 per head without alcohol (I usually eat out around $50/head). Very high end sit-down can range from $125-$400 without alcohol. Also, just because you pay a lot doesn't always mean that the food will be good - I've had disappointing food at $80/head places, and I've had food at $200/head places that made me think, it was ok, but about $150 overpriced, so it really depends on where you go, and what type of food you like - basically, you just have to know the restaurants. I've had some pretty crap meals in Cape Town for R600 too (a while back), so this is nothing unique to the US. Oddly enough, I've found the UK to be the most consistent in this regard (more $, better reliably good food at a restaurant I've never been to).

The steak with sauce thing I have heard about from other South Africans who go to the US - yeah, that's a thing here. Never been an issue for me since I don't eat steak.

The Californians wines are OK (specifically, Napa Valley and some of the more southern coastal wineries). I still generally order French wine though, but am OK with some of the California wines in a pinch. Local (US) wines usually only make up a fraction of the wine list.

Oh yeah and they really quick with your food. At first I was surprised, but then it got annoying. I just got the feeling that we were treated like cattle. Eat, get done and F-Off. Imagine sitting down for a business meeting and being constantly bugged by the waiter. You ready to order?, now ?, did you look at the menu? Can I take your order? I finally lost it with the dude, and just said I will TELL you when we are ready! I had the similar experience at other places but it didn’t bug me as I was not really looking to spend time there anyway.

I have found this to be primarily a difference in protocol: here people usually order something at the beginning (perhaps starters, or a drink), and if not, will actually say, "give us 10 minutes" or some such. The service in the US is generally much better than most places in the world - don't confuse this with eagerness to get your money and get you out the door. A waiter here would consider it very rude and inappropriate to leave you until you say you are ready. I've never felt pushed to leave or that I've gotten the evil eye when I choose to just drink water or share dessert and/or a meal with the person I'm with - the evil eye tends to happen a lot in SA ;-)
 
You are constantly bombarded with Car adverts, and I felt the type of advertising was very slap stick, zero tack. Plenty of ads that just go - "Hi I am owner of this dealership, you should be buying my cars cos it is the best." Like WTF ... I've met some of the smartest people while there and it baffles me that this sort of advertising does not insult them?

As Arthur said, these are generally local adverts, and only on 1 of a fraction of TV channels, so they likely have 0.1% the budget of the sort of thing you see on SA television. And, yes, I know many Americans who are embarrassed by this, and find them insulting. One friend refuses to watch broadcast television because of this.

One other note, is that very few people actually watch generic television anymore. Even if you get a service like cable TV, it supports on-demand features, and none of the premium channels have advertising at all (HBO, Showtime, Cinemax, etc.). Of course there is also all the Netflix, Vudu, Amazon Prime TV, etc.
 
*Update time*

So after what seems like eternity, we finally got approval on our VISA application. We submitted all sorts of documentation in July and we've been waiting ever since. Our lives have basically been in limbo just waiting an waiting.

So yesterday we got the response. We are now waiting on further instructions on what to do next. I'm not sure if it is approved in the States, if it can still be rejected here in SA? As far as I understand, we still need to go for interviews and get our passports stamped etc.

Does anyone know what the next steps are? Attorneys on that side will advise at some point, but they really seem to drag their feet on everything they do. They have been thorough though. And they got a positive result .. so I guess that is one good thing.
 
Missed this thread but just caught up now. So you have decided to make the move? (red tape not withstanding).

I spent some time working in Aspen, Colorado in '99/00 and thereafter visited San Diego and went south down to Baja, Mexico. Always longed for Colorado as I had such a great time there and I dig mountains. (Live up against mountains here in SA too)

Ive always wondered whether I should head back but life happens and you get sidetracked. Well I did the diversity visa application this time so one never knows....

I would love to sell up here, take the missus and kids over, buy a camper van and just travel, stopping every now and again to do odd jobs and what not. So much to see.
 
Yeah, all the red tape of moving - guess this is why the nomadic lifestyle appeals to some people, far less effort.
 
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