Eskom and the World Cup

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Eskom makes back-up plans for World Cup

By Colleen Dardagan

Imported electricity, a wind farm and privately owned generators are all part of Eskom's plan to keep the lights on during the 2010 World Cup.

Johnny Dladla, head of Eskom's 2010 task team, told municipal and industry representatives at a meeting held in Johannesburg earlier this week that 2 000 more megawatts of electricity were required for the event.

"We are looking to the Southern African Development Community countries on the integrated grid - we hope to import 700MW from this source. Power from the new wind station in the Western Cape will be used to make up the shortfall. We are also looking at the feasibility of using business-owned generators to power street lights to lighten the demand at peak periods."

'We have to be concerned because progress is being hampered'
Dladla confirmed that load shedding would still be a way of life come 2010.

"We will not have finished our upgrades, so we are looking at alternative ways to ensure a constant supply of electricity during the event. It also needs to be remembered that the tournament is taking place during winter - but most of the games are being played in the evening, which is during off-peak hours.

"However, we are aware that fans will want to party afterwards, so there will be an extended demand. Once we have a finalised tournament schedule from Fifa, we will be able to look at the demand more closely."

Spokesperson for 2010 projects in Cape Town, Pieter Cronje, said that the city was not concerned about electricity shortages during the event but, rather, how load shedding would affect deadlines in the lead up to the event.

"Fifa requires each stadium to have ample back-up power during the World Cup," said Cronje. "Our concern is that load shedding must be minimised during the development phase to ensure critical deadlines are met. While there has been no direct affect on construction, one of our suppliers was unable to supply cast seating on time because of power cuts."

Co-ordinator for 2010 projects in Nelspruit, Differ Mogale, said the Mbombela Stadium construction site had suffered power cuts for the whole of last week.

"We have to be concerned because progress is being hampered. We have been without power almost every day since last week - there is nothing we can do, it has to be dealt with nationally and at government level," said Mogale.

Head of strategic planning at the eThekwini Municipality, Julie-May Ellingson, said that host cities should be more involved with load shedding decision-making processes.

"Eskom gave us a broad presentation on its plans last year, but we are yet to be briefed on the detail," she said. "It's not only the power supply to the stadium we are concerned about, but the whole value chain. The knock-on effect is worrying. Besides the stadium, we have a number of projects on the go that are critical to Durban's ability to host a successful World Cup."

Ellingson called for an urgent meeting with Eskom.

"We have raised the issue with both Eskom and the 2010 local organising committee, but it is critical to get together and deal with the matter proactively. We believe all the host cities should be consulted collectively. Particular attention should be given to communication with our technical staff - they are being kept in the dark," she said.

Group Five spokesperson Craig Jessop said load shedding had not affected progress at Durban's R2,6-million Moses Mabhida Stadium.

"However, we are concerned and have taken proactive steps to ensure our power supply is maintained through the use of generators - which is far more costly than electricity. We are also engaging with our suppliers and subcontractors about the affect load shedding may have on them and how we can find solutions to any problems that may arise."

Natal Portland Cement's Pieter Strauss - the main supplier of cement for Durban's stadium - said his concern was not only about meeting the demand on 2010 projects, but for all their customers. "Cement production is totally reliant on electricity and generators cannot be used to power our plants. We are already in consultation with Eskom because while demand is low at the moment and we are comfortably meeting our orders, we are worried about what will happen in a month's time when demand starts to pick up."

Barbara Jensen, spokesperson for the Gautrain construction - another project on deadline for the World Cup - said the issue of load shedding needed more discussion.

"We have generators on all our 43 construction sites and are pulling electricity from 19 substations, which means work hasn't come to a standstill, but it has affected progress.

"Our main concern is the tunnel-boring machine making its way underground from Rosebank towards Park Station - it needs a constant supply of electricity and it uses a lot of power. So we are in discussion with Eskom to try and resolve the matter," she said.

Eskom's Johnny Dladla said they were yet to announce any plans to assist key 2010 projects.

"We will work with industry and municipalities to solve the problems. We are looking at ways of sorting out the short-term problems," he said.

According to reports the crisis is going to get worse, and additional demand from new business, housing developments, industry is going to exacerbate the shortage. There is apparently no short term solution so it is possible that by 2010 load shedding could be much worse.

I am a football supporter and supported the bid, and the expense.

In Cape Town, there is no new transport infrastructure that I can see - the cup is only 2 years away. There is no plan to reduce crime. There is insufficient accommodation...

Is it not time to seriously consider whether we can without embarrassment, host the greatest spectacle on earth ?
 
daveza; I agree with you.

I think that if we are left to host the 2010, we are seriously gonna mess it up but having said that, we as Capetownians are used to waking up at the last minute and working our m0er off to get something done.

So, wouldn't surprise me if that in 2009 going 2010 if we start to see alot of things happening to just get through the world cup and then again, straight after, going back to hell again.
 
Yes we are more laid back than most - but the cup is not only in Cape Town, and a proper public transport system and supporting infrastructure is impossible to achieve in a year.

The Gautrain system is taking what, 4 years ?

First we have to have a commitee, then a debate, then approval for finance, then another commitee, then tenders followed by another commitee to approve the plans - which will be in excess of what the finance commitee discussed so................. then we have workers striking and load shedding so the commitees get postponed........

Actually, perhaps we should just cancel the cup today !

If I had an iota of proof that we could actually pull off all that is required I would be very happy - but if it looks like @#$% and smells like @#$% it's normally a pile of @#$%.
 
Imagine all these famous international soccer stars chilling at their hotels with the power on and off. Or doing some evening practice and suddenly no lights. They not use to that. They going to have only nice things to say about our country.
 
I appreciate that the world cup is a money spinner.

But the fact that they're willing to do all that during the world cup, to help the tourists, but won't do anything here and now to support the people who actually live and pay taxes, is depressing.
 
http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=1&click_id=13&art_id=vn20080123070006375C725273



According to reports the crisis is going to get worse, and additional demand from new business, housing developments, industry is going to exacerbate the shortage. There is apparently no short term solution so it is possible that by 2010 load shedding could be much worse.

I am a football supporter and supported the bid, and the expense.

In Cape Town, there is no new transport infrastructure that I can see - the cup is only 2 years away. There is no plan to reduce crime. There is insufficient accommodation...

Is it not time to seriously consider whether we can without embarrassment, host the greatest spectacle on earth ?

WTF ? Where are the priorities ? Get it fixed now, pronto, then you won't have that problem in 2010. :mad::mad::mad:
 
insufficient accommodation in Cape Town?
MATCH, FIFA's accommodation team have already found all the rooms to meet FIFA requirements in Cape Town, thanks to 7000 beds in Stellenbosch. Thats apart from the 9 new hotels and cruise ships which will move into the harbour.

Cape Town is quite busy with behind the scenes planning on its transport infrastructure with both local and international experts. The city's 2010 transport team have been to South America thrice now to learn from Bogota, and to order the busses for the inner city transport system. Apart from the R1 billion + upgrade to the airport and an additional 6 billion in public transport spending pre 2010.

As before, its very easy say nothing is being done especially when you choose to be ignorant. Supppose being ignorant is the easy route.

Eskom and the government have messed up with regards to electricity supply, but it doesn't mean that host cities have been preparing behind the scenes and in 2008 implementing these plans.

If anybody was really interested to see what is being planned and construction taking place visit www.skyscrapercity.com. On the other hand, being ignorant might just be less of an effort, which seems to be the trend on these forums.
 
Opinons are like a@#holes - everyone has one, including me.

To use another phrase, the proof of the pudding is in the eating - so time will tell.

Skyscraper - interesting thanks.

There is a difference between being ignorant, and informed but skeptical. The talk is talked, but will the walk be walked ?

Yes, it's nice to upgrade the airport - so the international visitors can see the squatter camps sooner after their arrival. And if they arrive in the morning they will have ample time to view them from the middle of rush hour, while keeping one eye on the taxis as they pass the sewage stink near Athlone - another of Cape Towns cultural exhibits.

Buses ?! There is no space on the roads for buses, cars, even bicycles ! An hour and more from Bellville to the CBD ?
We need roads.
We need the *****ic half flyover to be completed.
We need a proper rail system - clean, safe, on-time, reliable. It must go to the southern suburbs, northern suburbs, to the completely railless west coast - and a train service to the stadium ! Or is there a cunning plan to beam all supporters from the unsafe, filthy Cap Town station directly to Green Point ?
We need traffic lights that work 24/7.
We need a visible traffic force - not just visible under a bridge with a speed trap.

7000 beds in Stellenbosch ? Traffic in and out of Stellenbosch is a nightmare already - one little bridge on the stadium side is the main route ! There is no viable train service to Stellenbosch.


If there are major plans there is very little time left - and major road construction takes longer than the time avalable.

Please, I would love to be proved wrong. I've lived in Cape Town for close on 50 years and I've heard a lot of talk and seen little action.

Ignorance is bliss - but I don't feel very blissful.
 
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insufficient accommodation in Cape Town?
MATCH, FIFA's accommodation team have already found all the rooms to meet FIFA requirements in Cape Town, thanks to 7000 beds in Stellenbosch. .

Sheesh!!! when last did you try get from Stellies to Greenpoint on public transport mate ???

The traffic/transport nightmare that is the Argus has been getting steadily worse over the last 7 years I've participated. If a yearly event that's been going for decades and attracts probably half the number of people that the once off WC is expecting causes such a fsk-up, howcome all of a sudden things are going to get so much better in 2 years?
 
insufficient accommodation in Cape Town?
MATCH, FIFA's accommodation team have already found all the rooms to meet FIFA requirements in Cape Town, thanks to 7000 beds in Stellenbosch. Thats apart from the 9 new hotels and cruise ships which will move into the harbour.

Cape Town is quite busy with behind the scenes planning on its transport infrastructure with both local and international experts. The city's 2010 transport team have been to South America thrice now to learn from Bogota, and to order the busses for the inner city transport system. Apart from the R1 billion + upgrade to the airport and an additional 6 billion in public transport spending pre 2010.
capetownguy, these are not enough.

What about the traffic? Do you really think the cars on the roads will be less because there will be more buses? The people (e.g. commuters) using cars will keep using them. Even if most tourists use the buses, there will be many that use cars too. So the traffic problem gets worse...

Also remember it is rainy and stormy season in CPT, so less people will walk and the traffic will be even WORSE. Wet roads... fender benders... wind... storm... match starting in 30 minutes... imagine the chaos. Mr German tourist very very angry.

And 7000 beds in Stellenbosch is also not enough.
 
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I appreciate that the world cup is a money spinner.

But the fact that they're willing to do all that during the world cup, to help the tourists, but won't do anything here and now to support the people who actually live and pay taxes, is depressing.

QFT.

Sheesh!!! when last did you try get from Stellies to Greenpoint on public transport mate ???

I did it once in 1991. Took me like 2-3 hours, including a bit of hitching.
I can only imagine what it must be like now.
 
Group Five spokesperson Craig Jessop said load shedding had not affected progress at Durban's R2,6-million Moses Mabhida Stadium.
2.6 Mil? That's not too bad. I stay in a decidedly middle-class area and my house is worth a good portion of 2.6 mil. :D
 
SA does not have the infrastructure to host 2010. It should have never been awarded to this country.
 
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