Eskom can't take back white engineers without jumping through hoops

[TheChamp]

The white engineers can offer their skills and expertise to Orania rather?

I'm sure they will be welcome there. After all, Orania may need to have its own power plant, and they will need expertise on how to build and maintain it.

Going to be so ironic if Orania is in the position of producing clean and reliable power to the rest of South Africa...

To Tshwane, Wapadrand was on fire again. with their skills fixing that would be pap en vleis.

 

[Azbubu]

Do you even know what exactly you are talking about?

That’s it, consider yourself officially warned.

 

[SafariTin]

That’s it, consider yourself officially warned.

Not sure how many here would remember MTV's Celebrity Deathmatch, but Fozzie Bear vs Ron Swanson should have an obvious end.

Wocka wocka!

 

[RonSwanson]

That’s it, consider yourself officially warned.

Warned regarding what? Are you a mod?

 

[Howdy]

The white engineers can offer their skills and expertise to Orania rather?

I'm sure they will be welcome there. After all, Orania may need to have its own power plant, and they will need expertise on how to build and maintain it.

Going to be so ironic if Orania is in the position of producing clean and reliable power to the rest of South Africa...

Some things are self evident. I was going to post that, but I've upset enough folks today

 

[Howdy]

That’s it, consider yourself officially warned.

Now why would you want to get @TheChamp's alt get into trouble?

 

[Oldfut]

He actually doesn't necessarily need any qualifications for the position, chairing a board requires a different set of skills because the position is non-executive in nature, the previous chair Mabuza did not even have a degree.

His appointment could have been strategic because as an academic he wouldn't have a whole lot of interests in the business sector, avoiding the Mabuza situation, but having chaired different boards before he wouldn't be a stranger to a corporate environment.

Sometimes putting an expert as a chair of the board leads to clashes with the executive, something Ramaphosa could not afford with what Eskom has already been through.

No sure, but he was the fellow who seemed to have done a little doctoring to his cv somewhere along the line and a very nasty and racist (on his side) scrap ensued at Wits. He ended up at UKZN and did a fine job of Africanising that. If I'm correct he then fits right in at the transformed Eskom and would be absolutely against employing, using, or borrowing any (additional) white engineers, ever (comparing white males as "baboons and bonobos" says wiki).

But ANC SA is a funny place. I met two Aussie engineers on contract to Transnet at huge cost; arrogant buggers boasting about it while an ex Transnet engineer I knew was getting a job in the UK. Essentially doing the same stuff; heavy rail civils.

One of the recent big Eskom contracts had Italian and UK engineers, avoiding South Africans unless they arrived via an overseas firm. Guess who got the contract; why an Italian contractor with a local "BEE" partner and there were a few nasty accidents and cost over runs. Fancy that.

 

[Fred07]

No sure, but he was the fellow who seemed to have done a little doctoring to his cv somewhere along the line and a very nasty and racist (on his side) scrap ensued at Wits. He ended up at UKZN and did a fine job of Africanising that. If I'm correct he then fits right in at the transformed Eskom and would be absolutely against employing, using, or borrowing any (additional) white engineers, ever (comparing white males as "baboons and bonobos" says wiki).

But ANC SA is a funny place. I met two Aussie engineers on contract to Transnet at huge cost; arrogant buggers boasting about it while an ex Transnet engineer I knew was getting a job in the UK. Essentially doing the same stuff; heavy rail civils.

One of the recent big Eskom contracts had Italian and UK engineers, avoiding South Africans unless they arrived via an overseas firm. Guess who got the contract; why an Italian contractor with a local "BEE" partner and there were a few nasty accidents and cost over runs. Fancy that.

The ANC hates white South Africans. Simple as that.

 

[porchrat]

No sure, but he was the fellow who seemed to have done a little doctoring to his cv somewhere along the line and a very nasty and racist (on his side) scrap ensued at Wits. He ended up at UKZN and did a fine job of Africanising that. If I'm correct he then fits right in at the transformed Eskom and would be absolutely against employing, using, or borrowing any (additional) white engineers, ever (comparing white males as "baboons and bonobos" says wiki).

But ANC SA is a funny place. I met two Aussie engineers on contract to Transnet at huge cost; arrogant buggers boasting about it while an ex Transnet engineer I knew was getting a job in the UK. Essentially doing the same stuff; heavy rail civils.

One of the recent big Eskom contracts had Italian and UK engineers, avoiding South Africans unless they arrived via an overseas firm. Guess who got the contract; why an Italian contractor with a local "BEE" partner and there were a few nasty accidents and cost over runs. Fancy that.

I hadn't heard about the baboons and bonobos thing. Sad to see that actually.

I was at the university during that UND - UKZN transition. It was a disruptive time. Towards the end of my time at the university student strikes and intimidation had started. We had to start having lectures in smaller rooms. We listened out for the rioting students and as they passed by in the halls we switched off the projectors and kept quiet to avoid being noticed. Had they discovered us trying to get an education during the chaos they did their best to create I'm sure we would have been pretty savagely beaten.

He definitely didn't do much for the safety and stability of the university.

He did do one thing I admire though. He fought Thabo Mbeki on his AIDS denialism stance. Our university was offering ARVs at the clinics at a time when the state was very against their use. For that he gets a point in the WIN column.

 

[TheChamp]

No sure, but he was the fellow who seemed to have done a little doctoring to his cv somewhere along the line and a very nasty and racist (on his side) scrap ensued at Wits. He ended up at UKZN and did a fine job of Africanising that. If I'm correct he then fits right in at the transformed Eskom and would be absolutely against employing, using, or borrowing any (additional) white engineers, ever (comparing white males as "baboons and bonobos" says wiki).

But ANC SA is a funny place. I met two Aussie engineers on contract to Transnet at huge cost; arrogant buggers boasting about it while an ex Transnet engineer I knew was getting a job in the UK. Essentially doing the same stuff; heavy rail civils.

One of the recent big Eskom contracts had Italian and UK engineers, avoiding South Africans unless they arrived via an overseas firm. Guess who got the contract; why an Italian contractor with a local "BEE" partner and there were a few nasty accidents and cost over runs. Fancy that.

You seem to state the alleged doctoring of his CV as a fact, were the allegations ever proven?

 

[RonSwanson]

I was at the university during that UND - UKZN transition. It was a disruptive time. Towards the end of my time at the university student strikes and intimidation had started. We had to start having lectures in smaller rooms. We listened out for the rioting students and as they passed by in the halls we switched off the projectors and kept quiet to avoid being noticed. Had they discovered us trying to get an education during the chaos they did their best to create I'm sure we would have been pretty savagely beaten.

In a country with "freedom", it's pretty sad that you and your fellows had to be subjected to those threats of violence, and resort to such subversive measures just to obtain an education.
If you were describing practicing Christians in China, I would have understood, the secrecy required is exactly the same, and the consequences are unlimited jailtime for pursueing religion. Wow, just wow man.

 

[Oldfut]

You seem to state the alleged doctoring of his CV as a fact, were the allegations ever proven?

I really don't know as it degenerated into a bunfight with Magoba using his position to gain access to white opponents personal files to use against them (for which he was given a slap on the wrist if I remember rightly). I think he shuffled off to do his work at UKZN after a bit. Hence my "seemed". Too busy to research the shambles but a unifying executive he does not "seem" to be and "seems" to have a sizable race chip.

 

[TheChamp]

I really don't know as it degenerated into a bunfight with Magoba using his position to gain access to white opponents personal files to use against them (for which he was given a slap on the wrist if I remember rightly). I think he shuffled off to do his work at UKZN after a bit. Hence my "seemed". Too busy to research the shambles but a unifying executive he does not "seem" to be and "seems" to have a sizable race chip.

Well fighting fire with fire is allowed, the gang of white academics went out of their way to try and dig dirt on him because they were triggered by the magic word, transformation. The allegations were never proven.

He was amongst those who defended De Ruyter when false allegations of racism were brought against him so he isn't on a crusade to get rid of white people, yes I feel that he handled the Wits matter very poorly but it is clear the white guys were out to get him.

 

[grok]

I hadn't heard about the baboons and bonobos thing. Sad to see that actually.

Double standards should be exposed..

White males as "baboons and bonobos"[edit]​

In 2005, The Mail and Guardian newspaper published an opinion piece by Professor Makgoba entitled "The wrath of the dethroned white male" which compared the behaviour of white South African males in post-Apartheid South Africa to "baboons or bonobos" who had lost their alpha status, and were in need of "treatment and proper African rehabilitation".[33] This article was debated heavily in the press, and provoked a response the following week from Robert Morrell, a professor in the Faculty of Education at UKZN under Makgoba.[34] In that article, Morrell argued that Makgoba's article could rightfully be interpreted as "bullying managerial practice".[34] Later that year, Morrell brought a defamation case against Makgoba, primarily citing claims made about Morrell in an email sent out to staff.[35] Morrell dropped the case three years later, following the death of his wife, and citing concern for his "own health and well-being".[36]

Only whites haven't lost their alpha status, we have given it up voluntarily since Mandela convinced us blacks are our equals.

Ironic that we are heading to African failed state status & suffer racial discrimination under their corrupt leadership then..

 

[Voicy]

I am definitely no professional when it comes to labor law or the exact application of BBBEE but the below is
utterly disgusting:


It's one thing to transform the labor market as part of the assumed 'restitution' policy that is BBBEE when it comes to hiring new labor but to actually cut current employees out and replace with a 'BBBEE' face is utterly racist! Growing the labor pool with new talent and skills is what is needed, not chopping and replacing with PC faces.

It's a bit of a sh!tshow. I was straight up told by my manager that it would be impossible for me to get promoted due to my skin colour, despite my performance. There was even a contractor who wrote in to our programme manager saying that my project was the 1st time in his 15yr history with Eskom where he was paid on time and in full every month.

Anyway, they were suprise-pikachu-faced when I resigned and moved to Norway.

I was also given an award for getting the entire dept. ISO9001 accredited when nobody else knew wtf was going on...it was even funnier when my mom went to collect the reward on my behalf and had to tell the group exec handing out the award that I quit and moved abroad.


It sucks because some of the retired white engineers there are some of the best in the world. Not because of their skin colour, but their experience. It's also not just an Eskom problem. Many private companies face a giant experience gap in the 30-50yr age group. So when the old guard retires, the fresh graduates have to take over with very little guidance left.

 

[porchrat]

In a country with "freedom", it's pretty sad that you and your fellows had to be subjected to those threats of violence, and resort to such subversive measures just to obtain an education.
If you were describing practicing Christians in China, I would have understood, the secrecy required is exactly the same, and the consequences are unlimited jailtime for pursueing religion. Wow, just wow man.

We just weren't prepared to sacrifice more time because some muppets had beef with the university. Looking back we were probably young and stupid for taking that risk.

The heroes there were the lecturers who organised the clandestine lectures for us despite the personal risk.

Thankfully it was only for a little while in the final year. I can't imagine what the students there today are dealing with. Must be utter chaos year on year. Hats off to those able to get out the other end of South African universities on time, unscathed and with a degree.

 

[Yskasmetnstoof]

If they were black they would have been cheered "back". How do we know this? SA has laws discriminating on skin colour. That's how we know.

 

[Yskasmetnstoof]

Where's all the De Ruyter worshippers these days?

Such a small man you are ..

 

[Mike Hoxbig]

Such a small man you are ..

Maybe show us what a big man you are by explaining what he's done for us.

And don't come here with maintenance takes time (there's less maintenance taking place than before he took over) and reducing Eskom debt (by increasing prices 20%+ pa) etc...

 

[grok]

It's a bit of a sh!tshow. I was straight up told by my manager that it would be impossible for me to get promoted due to my skin colour, despite my performance. There was even a contractor who wrote in to our programme manager saying that my project was the 1st time in his 15yr history with Eskom where he was paid on time and in full every month.

Anyway, they were suprise-pikachu-faced when I resigned and moved to Norway.

I was also given an award for getting the entire dept. ISO9001 accredited when nobody else knew wtf was going on...it was even funnier when my mom went to collect the reward on my behalf and had to tell the group exec handing out the award that I quit and moved abroad.


It sucks because some of the retired white engineers there are some of the best in the world. Not because of their skin colour, but their experience. It's also not just an Eskom problem. Many private companies face a giant experience gap in the 30-50yr age group. So when the old guard retires, the fresh graduates have to take over with very little guidance left.

Just today a circular advertising some jobs from the company I currently do work for..

These positions will be filled in accordance with our current Employment Equity practices

We all know this means whites need not apply..

Then the manager at the client side whom I've known for years since we've worked on more than one project together phones me last week, 'please bear with me boet I just have to vent..' one of his BEE developers on our level just doesn't perform, his stuff keeps getting sent back so much so that said manager had to work last weekend to catch up on his work, but he can't do anything about it, so the rest of the developers have to take up the slack, wham bam 2 of his deliverables moved to my plate this week..

I can be fired in an instant & am performance checked regularly.. we are so equal lol.