Ex-MWEB Uncapped Subscribers Feedback

[milomak]

i'm interested to find out what speeds others are getting from usenet during the day.

i seem to get somewhere between 75-100kB/s on 4Mbps Gold Uncapped (VB)

 

[Gtx Gaming]

use another server, get one with port 8080 ssl, so you you download http traffic so you don't get shaped , though don't know if openweb have a fup on there gold.

 

[Fudzy]

use another server, get one with port 8080 ssl, so you you download http traffic so you don't get shaped , though don't know if openweb have a fup on there gold.

Good question, where do you find their T&C/FUPs etc?

 

[xrapidx]

My guess is it'll be exactly the same as any other ISP....

 

[milomak]

Good question, where do you find their T&C/FUPs etc?

they don't. you can find them somewhere on the openweb site (can't remember where exactly)

 

[Fudzy]

they don't. you can find them somewhere on the openweb site (can't remember where exactly)

I found this : http://www.openweb.co.za/termsofuse/

Which is quite vague seeing as they do have clauses in their product offers for shaping.

 

[louisvd]

Hi

Well, if you've been following the thread, you will know I was with MWeb. At the end of Feb my contract terminated and I signed up with Axxess from 1 March. Sigh. Big mistake.

My torrents would typically sit at 50 kB/s during the day on MWeb, and at 1 AM would kick up to 100 kB/s. Later in the night they would creep up towards 180 kB/s. No such luck with Axxess. Although they have a 10 day rolling window, where if you are in the top half of 4096 users you will be shaped, as a new user there was no way I was in that bracket, but my downloads were terrible. On my first night, at 4 AM my torrent downloads were around 35 kB/s. On a 4096 line that is pitiful!

Through the rest of the month it was never much better. Even my SSL Usenet Downloads are slower on Axxess.

So from 1 April I intend to return to MWeb, unless someone can share a better option with me.

 

[Spartaniz]

MWEB will kick you off the network for using SSL on newsgroups - they consider it 'bypassing shaping'

Thats utter BS. SSL does not bypass their shaping. I've been using mweb for months now using ssl on astraweb and it does NOT bypass the shaping.

 

[xrapidx]

Thats utter BS. SSL does not bypass their shaping. I've been using mweb for months now using ssl on astraweb and it does NOT bypass the shaping.

<removed as it might be considered an insult by some of the mods - although, it has to be true>

MWEB stated this a few times when they first started banning users for "excessive usage" on uncapped - it was discussed multiple times on the forum.

 

[xrapidx]

Hi

Well, if you've been following the thread, you will know I was with MWeb. At the end of Feb my contract terminated and I signed up with Axxess from 1 March. Sigh. Big mistake.

My torrents would typically sit at 50 kB/s during the day on MWeb, and at 1 AM would kick up to 100 kB/s. Later in the night they would creep up towards 180 kB/s. No such luck with Axxess. Although they have a 10 day rolling window, where if you are in the top half of 4096 users you will be shaped, as a new user there was no way I was in that bracket, but my downloads were terrible. On my first night, at 4 AM my torrent downloads were around 35 kB/s. On a 4096 line that is pitiful!

Through the rest of the month it was never much better. Even my SSL Usenet Downloads are slower on Axxess.

So from 1 April I intend to return to MWeb, unless someone can share a better option with me.

For 4mb? Openweb Gold.

 

[gregmcc]

MWEB stated this a few times when they first started banning users for "excessive usage" on uncapped - it was discussed multiple times on the forum.

+1

Its been mentioned countless times.

 

[louisvd]

So if excessive usage is their reason for banning, what is considered reasonable usage? I certainly don't download 24/7 from Usenet, but I like that when I do, I can actually get decent throughput instead of just a trickle. I mean, if I pull a 2GB feed in say 2 hours, and that's all for that 24 hour period (bar some regular browsing and mail) are they going to complain? If my monthly throughput is 300 GB per month, is that acceptable or excessive? What about 400 GB?

I mentioned before that during the day, my torrents sometimes be around 50 kB/s. At night they go faster - usually switching to 100 kB/s at 1 am. If I extrapolate the 50 kB/s rate to 24 hours of that, that would yield 4.11 GB in one direction. So is 8.22 GB per day considered acceptable? Just throwing it out there .... and ideas?

 

[louisvd]

For 4mb? Openweb Gold.

Is it really worth it? They are R200 per month MORE than "regular" unshaped accounts (even their own regular unshaped is R539). What makes the Gold offering worth so much more? BTW, I only migrated to Usenet because I found the torrent throughput to be so lousy.

 

[xrapidx]

Is it really worth it? They are R200 per month MORE than "regular" unshaped accounts (even their own regular unshaped is R539). What makes the Gold offering worth so much more? BTW, I only migrated to Usenet because I found the torrent throughput to be so lousy.

Well... I went from MWEB to OpenWeb and it was a night and day.difference

 

[iDOL]

Well... I went from MWEB to OpenWeb and it was a night and day.difference

I concur,

 

[milomak]

Is it really worth it? They are R200 per month MORE than "regular" unshaped accounts (even their own regular unshaped is R539). What makes the Gold offering worth so much more? BTW, I only migrated to Usenet because I found the torrent throughput to be so lousy.

my usenet downloads are currently doing around 300kB/s. How's that for a difference?

 

[Mephisto_Helix]

Got a queue of 5.5gb's for today ..... all singing along at 420, so it's not just an Openweb thing

louisvd - I would say give Mweb another go, if it doesn't live up to expectations, well, you'll have to pay more for what these guys are getting. But it is more.

 

[louisvd]

Thanks chaps! Still a few days to decide ...

It's just scary to think how much I spend on my Internet connection! I've been in the game a while, and remember connecting via dial-up ... That was horrific, but I could make a "free" uninterrupted call after hours, and my Internet fee was less than R100 per month. Now, I am paying a telkom phone line (which I would have canned by now if it wasn't for Internet access), plus R400 for the ADSL facility (and my area is STILL not on 10 mbps!!) plus R540 for my "airtime" to an ISP. I mean, that's over R1000. When I think about it I have to do a double take ... like ... is it WORTH it?

Don't get me wrong, I use and appreciate the Internet access I have at home, but is it R1000 value? For example, that's like 20 pizza's, or two tanks of petrol (bad example)!

So all this extra bandwidth that we are supposed to have flooding our market after the 2010 Cup ... where is it? And when is our bandwidth going to get TRULY affordable? We certainly have enough undersea cables reaching us now, so it's not like there's a lack of it.

Kinda going off topic ... please don't flame me! It's too early in a long weekend for that ...

 

[Valerion]

Thanks chaps! Still a few days to decide ...

It's just scary to think how much I spend on my Internet connection! I've been in the game a while, and remember connecting via dial-up ... That was horrific, but I could make a "free" uninterrupted call after hours, and my Internet fee was less than R100 per month. Now, I am paying a telkom phone line (which I would have canned by now if it wasn't for Internet access), plus R400 for the ADSL facility (and my area is STILL not on 10 mbps!!) plus R540 for my "airtime" to an ISP. I mean, that's over R1000. When I think about it I have to do a double take ... like ... is it WORTH it?

Don't get me wrong, I use and appreciate the Internet access I have at home, but is it R1000 value? For example, that's like 20 pizza's, or two tanks of petrol (bad example)!

So all this extra bandwidth that we are supposed to have flooding our market after the 2010 Cup ... where is it? And when is our bandwidth going to get TRULY affordable? We certainly have enough undersea cables reaching us now, so it's not like there's a lack of it.

Kinda going off topic ... please don't flame me! It's too early in a long weekend for that ...

Telkom IPC. No matter how cheap the cables get, that's still expensive.

http://mybroadband.co.za/news/adsl/12041-Uncapped-ADSL-Pricing-and-service-levels.html

The cost of an IPConnect connection from Telkom – which is needed to provide wholesale ADSL access – is around R3000 per Mbps per month. Add international bandwidth to this, at a cost of around R4000 per Mbps per month (or local bandwidth which retails for around the same price), and you sit with R7000 per Mbps per month for wholesale ADSL bandwidth.

So in order to break even on international and IPC bandwidth alone (and excluding all other costs, like personnel, hardware, buildings, peering links, etc), you need to pay R28,000 per month per Mbps of bandwidth. This implies at least a 52:1 contention ratio, if you retail it for R539/month. And even if you drop the international portion to nothing, that's still R3000/Mbps/month that needs to be recouped.

 

[biometrics]

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