F1 2012 thread

Once again Hamiltons race compromised by those chumps he calls a pit crew. 7 second delay on his last stop cost him the win.
 
sand_man said:
Once again Hamiltons race compromised by those chumps he calls a pit crew. 7 second delay on his last stop cost him the win.
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Almost time to call conspiracy. Seriously lol. That was B-A-D
Perhaps the FIA has decreed how this year will go.
 
I am a Mc Claren fan, I see the TV man shows a lot of Lewis. Today I understand why.

What is happening to Buttom. He use to be up front.
 
So wait you think ending up with no points is better than ending up 4th because you are a racer?

To me that sounds like a dumb racer. You race when you have a car capable of racing, you don't race when you can barely make corners let alone defend them.

Anyways the hamilton of last year came through, i would have thought the new mature hamilton would have realized he was injured and acted accordingly :D. Hamilton did as many stupid things as maldonado last season but very few called him for him to leave f1.

I hope webber can pull his socks up and win a championship before he leaves redbull.

Anyone who calls alonso a ***** for crying is just a silly billy. 11th to 1st, everyone is so focused on hamilton yet alonso's drive was so much better. Even before the issues alonso was right there.
 
killadoob said:
So wait you think ending up with no points is better than ending up 4th because you are a racer?

To me that sounds like a dumb racer. You race when you have a car capable of racing, you don't race when you can barely make corners let alone defend them.

Anyways the hamilton of last year came through, i would have thought the new mature hamilton would have realized he was injured and acted accordingly :D. Hamilton did as many stupid things as maldonado last season but very few called him for him to leave f1.
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You are right- I said it too at the time- that if he let him through then he would still finish with points. However, even if Hamilton was on a horse and cart he is still entitled to defend his position when they are scrapping over race position- without the thought of "If I don't let him through then he will smash into me". It was Maldonado's responsibility to pass safely and he couldn't do so on that corner with running off.
My thoughts on Maldonado was that he had the entire circuit with loads of better spots to make a pass easily where Hamilton could not defend...so why do what he did?
Coming right back into Lewis from off the track is just poor driving and bad sportsmanship.

And time for Lewis to give those amateurs at McClaren the flick, he lost race position to Alonso and Raikonnen in one go there.
 
OzzieCapie said:
You are right- I said it too at the time- that if he let him through then he would still finish with points. However, even if Hamilton was on a horse and cart he is still entitled to defend his position when they are scrapping over race position- without the thought of "If I don't let him through then he will smash into me". It was Maldonado's responsibility to pass safely and he couldn't do so on that corner with running off.
My thoughts on Maldonado was that he had the entire circuit with loads of better spots to make a pass easily where Hamilton could not defend...so why do what he did?
Coming right back into Lewis from off the track is just poor driving and bad sportsmanship.

And time for Lewis to give those amateurs at McClaren the flick, he lost race position to Alonso and Raikonnen in one go there.
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Yes, Maldonado could have been more patient but look at it this way;

Heading into the right-hander, Maldonado had the lead. If anything, it can be argued that Lewis should have yielded the corner to him already. Lewis did not. Then, heading into the left-hander, Lewis ran Pastor off the track - those huge concrete run offs do not count as the race track, the race track is the piece between the white lines -, which in itself is against sporting regulations. You have to give an opposing driver some room, even if it's half a car width, but Lewis ran him off the track. At this point Pastor, like Lewis, is in full race mode and probably felt that he was still side-by-side and had the right to challenege into the left hander, but 2 into 1 doesn't work.

- Lewis should have yielded the right-hander to Pastor as he was trailing heading into it.
- Lewis, in line with the sporting code, should have not run Pastor off the track.
- Pastor should have backed out of the left-hander seeing as he was now compromised.
- Neither driver done what they should have done and we saw the result.
 
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MyDogHasNoNose said:
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It doesn't matter how much faster the guy behind you is, he has to take the position from you. You don't move over unless you're being lapped or you're a wuss lol.

There is no argument who was ahead and who was at fault. Maldono was still off the track.

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Maldonado was leading into the right-hander. It may have been minimal, but Pastor was in front. In terms of the regulations, Pastor had the corner and Hamilton should have yielded. Hamilton then ran Pastor off the track, which you are not allowed to do as you have to give a driver some room. Remember the furore over Rosberg's driving at Bahrain, when Alonso and Hamilton had to leave the track (tarmac between the white lines)? Hamilton left no room for Maldonado to stay on the track. Sure Pastor could have backed out, but his argument, which is valid, states that at that point Hamilton should have yielded the position to him.

If anything, Hamilton committed two wrongs to Maldonado's one. Not yielding the right-hander and not leaving enough room (Hamilton) and not yielding the left-hander (Maldonado) resulted in an accident.
 
Rosaudio said:
If you have followed my posts the last few years you would find that I have always had a dislike for Pastor, not because of his incidents with Lewis.. that has just fueled it because i'm a Lewis fan obviously.

Of course I was disappointed by Lewis last year, but a few of them were arguably not his fault.. some were.. but most were heated racing mistakes. Look at things this year, Hamilton has finished in the points with no contact in every single race until today. Compare that to Pastor. Todays incident was IMO mostly Pastor's fault, he seems to turned his car into the side-pod of Hamilton. Hamilton had the right to fight and hold his position regardless of tyre condition.

Pastor seems to cause accidents in a different way to say Lewis or Kobayashi.. most of them are fueled due to anger or absolute stupidity. It was the same thing in GP2 if you followed that.
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1 - Lewis was trailing Pastor into the right-hander. At that point, Lewis needs to yield position.
2 - Lewis ran Pastor off the track. Remember how folks cried when Rosberg made Lewis and Fernando use the concrete apron in Bahrain?
3 - Pastor should have conceeded defeat to Lewis' less than sporting driving.

I see two issues with Lewis' driving to Pastor's one.

How was Lewis' driving last year? Do you remember Lewis punting Pastor out of a fine 5th place at Monaco last year? Canada, anyone, where there was a bit of fratricide. Please don't go throwing stones in glass houses.
 
thestaggy said:
[-]1 - Lewis was trailing Pastor into the right-hander. At that point, Lewis needs to yield position.
2 - Lewis ran Pastor off the track. Remember how folks cried when Rosberg made Lewis and Fernando use the concrete apron in Bahrain?
3 - Pastor should have conceeded defeat to Lewis' less than sporting driving.

I see two issues with Lewis' driving to Pastor's one.

How was Lewis' driving last year? Do you remember Lewis punting Pastor out of a fine 5th place at Monaco last year? Canada, anyone, where there was a bit of fratricide. Please don't go throwing stones in glass houses.[/-]
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There. Fixed that for you
 
killadoob said:
So wait you think ending up with no points is better than ending up 4th because you are a racer?
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I do! Absolutely! How many times does someone have to say something before you guys get it lol. I watch racing, points and championship come second. Your preferred scenario goes like this it seems:

Pit to Hamilton: "You'd better move over, Maldonado is quicker than you"
Hamilton to Pit: "Ok, yes, we'd better take a few less points rather than risk an accident while trying to race"
Pit to Hamilton: "Good man"

I don't watch to bask in the glory of the points at the end. I'll only enjoy them if I knew that whoever got them fought tooth and nail on the track for them.
 
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thestaggy said:
1 - Lewis was trailing Pastor into the right-hander. At that point, Lewis needs to yield position.
2 - Lewis ran Pastor off the track.
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Nope
1 - They were side by side going into the corner with Lewis having the inside line and edging ahead of Maldono into the corner.
2 - Pastor ran out of space to make his move, not Lewis' fault. Lewis took the most logical line from the inside of the first corner to the outside of the next and did not need to run him off the track. It would have been easy to raise that issue with the stewards if it was the case, instead Maldono was penalised for causing the incident.
How was Lewis' driving last year? Do you remember Lewis punting Pastor out of a fine 5th place at Monaco last year? Canada, anyone, where there was a bit of fratricide. Please don't go throwing stones in glass houses.
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MyDogHasNoNose said:
I do! Absolutely! How many times does someone have to say something before you guys get it lol. I watch racing, points and championship come second. Your preferred goes like this:

Pit to Hamilton: "You'd better move over, Maldono is quicker than you"
Hamilton to Pit: "Ok, yes, we'd better take a few less points rather than risk an accident while trying to race"
Pit to Hamilton: "Good man"

I don't watch to bask in the glory of the points at the end. I'll only enjoy them if I knew that whoever got them fought tooth and nail on the track for them.
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Perhaps you don't bask in the points haul that hamilton would have got but you can be damned sure he wants the points. If he loses the championship by 10 points he will look back and think to himself, if only i had thought for a second during that race i would be champion.

You can bet mclaren want the points as well and in all honesty hamilton is not only driving for himself, there is a team of 500+ people working hard to ensure they win a championship and sometimes personal glory is fine but sometimes you need to think about the team.

Look at di resta, he put up absolutely no fight against webber and shummi because he would rather finish 6th or 7th than try keep cars that are 3 seconds faster behind and some may say he isn't a true racer but most will agree he has a brain that works :D and understands that he cannot fight guys that are so much faster. It's not rocket science to realize you are not capable of keeping someone behind you. Anyways a good racer is one that can race and use his brain all at the same time.
 
Pastor was clearly at fault here, what a chop!

This was simply ridiculous, Lewis was going backwards in any case. All Pastor had to do was wait another corner and he would have gotten past at the next corners.

Then again, you can tell who has the mentality of a world champion and who doesn't. In the same scenario, Vettel moved over very quickly to let Hamilton past - world championship points are vital if you want to be world champion. Someone should tell Lewis :)
 
thestaggy said:
1 - Lewis was trailing Pastor into the right-hander. At that point, Lewis needs to yield position.
2 - Lewis ran Pastor off the track.
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Nope
1 - They were side by side going into the corner - Maldonado may have been marginally ahead before the corner, but they definitely went into the corner side by side with Lewis having the inside line.
2 - Pastor ran out of space to make his move, not Lewis' fault. Lewis took the most logical line from the inside of the corner to the outside and did not need to run him off the track. It would have been easy to raise that issue with the stewards if it was the case, instead Maldonado was penalised for causing the incident.
How was Lewis' driving last year? Do you remember Lewis punting Pastor out of a fine 5th place at Monaco last year? Canada, anyone, where there was a bit of fratricide. Please don't go throwing stones in glass houses.
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Lol @ throwing stones. Lewis was penalised for that last year, we're not discussing last year, we're discussing yesterday's incident ;)
 
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Naks said:
Pastor was clearly at fault here, what a chop!

This was simply ridiculous, Lewis was going backwards in any case. All Pastor had to do was wait another corner and he would have gotten past at the next corners.

Then again, you can tell who has the mentality of a world champion and who doesn't. In the same scenario, Vettel moved over very quickly to let Hamilton past - world championship points are vital if you want to be world champion. Someone should tell Lewis :)
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That last sentence there is what's wrong with racing today. Bring on the action!
 
killadoob said:
Perhaps you don't bask in the points haul that hamilton would have got but you can be damned sure he wants the points. If he loses the championship by 10 points he will look back and think to himself, if only i had thought for a second during that race i would be champion.

You can bet mclaren want the points as well and in all honesty hamilton is not only driving for himself, there is a team of 500+ people working hard to ensure they win a championship and sometimes personal glory is fine but sometimes you need to think about the team.
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Shame... the poor team lol. Perhaps he would have remorse, but I'm thankful he made a decision to fight for his position, whatever the outcome. I don't get you guys, honestly - you aren't Lewis fans, yet you're unhappy that he died trying. Killa, I think you just whinge for the sake of it - because it's the Ham.

You must have have hated Senna.
 
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