F1 2022

[Sinbad]

You're allowed to weave as much as you like on the straight. Just not in the braking zones.

 

[JerryMungo]

You're allowed to weave as much as you like on the straight. Just not in the braking zones.

Actually I think it depends on how far the car behind you is, I don't think its always specifically to do with braking... but trying to break the tow might be greyer. Besides, it would have probably only been a black and white flag at worst.

 

[thestaggy]

Actually I think it depends on how far the car behind you is, I don't think its always specifically to do with braking... but trying to break the tow might be greyer. Besides, it would have probably only been a black and white flag at worst.

Yep, nothing in the regulations that specifically says it is illegal, however if the cars are close the race director will probably warn you over safety, as he did Max in Brazil.

One of F1's many grey areas subject to interpretation.

 

[JerryMungo]

De Vries fastest on first day of F1 post-season Abu Dhabi test

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De Vries fastest on first day of F1 post-season Abu Dhabi test

Nyck de Vries topped the opening day of Formula 1’s post-season test running in Abu Dhabi for Mercedes as Valtteri Bottas made his first appearance for Alfa Romeo.
De Vries fastest on first day of F1 post-season Abu Dhabi test
Formula E champion de Vries featured as Mercedes’ young driver for the test at the Yas Marina Circuit that was split between rookies in this year’s cars and current F1 drivers sampling the new 18-inch tyres in modified mule cars ahead of 2022.

De Vries set a fastest lap time of 1m23.194s in the final 30 minutes of the day, giving him P1 by over 1.3 seconds from AlphaTauri’s Liam Lawson, who enjoyed his first F1 outing.
F2 champion and Alpine reserve driver Oscar Piastri ended the day third-fastest, just 0.006s shy of Lawson’s time, while IndyCar race winner Pato O’Ward completed over two race distances en route to fourth place for McLaren, with the test being a prize for his first victory earlier this year. O’Ward had led the morning session for McLaren, but only shaved six-tenths of a second off his lap in the afternoon.
Both Bottas and Guanyu Zhou made their first appearances for Alfa Romeo on Tuesday. Bottas was given permission by Mercedes to take part in the test with his new team for 2022, and donned a plain white race suit for the running in the mule car.
Zhou finished the day fifth overall ahead Red Bull junior Juri Vips, who caused one of three red flags that interrupted Tuesday’s running after spinning at Turn 14 and damaging his car.
Aston Martin simulator driver Nick Yelloly finished seventh ahead of Daniel Ricciardo, who was the leading driver in a mule car on the 2022 tyre compounds, finishing 1.6 seconds off O’Ward’s time in the unmodified McLaren that raced this year. Ricciardo caused the first red flag of the day in the second hour.


Lance Stroll finished ninth for Aston Martin, while Robert Shwartzman completed the top 10 after taking part in the afternoon session for Ferrari. He split young driver running with Antonio Fuoco, who also tested the mule car after Charles Leclerc featured in the morning, ending up 11th.
Bottas finished 12th ahead of Fuoco and Yuki Tsunoda, while Logan Sargeant enjoyed his first running in an F1 car with Williams finishing 15th. A power unit issue meant his day ended with almost 90 minutes to run, but the American nevertheless managed to complete his planned programme, racking up 92 laps.
Esteban Ocon finished 16th for Alpine ahead of Max Verstappen, who made his first appearance on-track as world champion for Red Bull. He was followed by George Russell, who is testing on both days for Mercedes in the mule car before joining the team full-time for 2022. Mick Schumacher propped up the running order for Haas in 19th place.
The final day of testing takes place on Wednesday in Abu Dhabi. As teams are only permitted to field a young driver on one day of the test, only Haas will run two cars tomorrow, running Shwartzman and Pietro Fittipaldi. Williams will not feature on the second day of testing due as it does not have a mule car.

Results:

Pos   Driver               Team            Time         Gap       Laps
1     Nyck de Vries        Mercedes        1:23.191               77
2     Liam Lawson          AlphaTauri      1:24.517    +1.326s    125
3     Oscar Piastri        Alpine          1:24.523    +1.332s    131
4     Patricio O'Ward      McLaren         1:24.607    +1.416s    92
5     Guanyu Zhou          Alfa Romeo      1:25.142    +1.951s    119
6     Juri Vips            Red Bull        1:25.198    +2.007s    97
7     Nick Yelloly         Aston Martin    1:25.333    +2.142s    118
8     Daniel Ricciardo     McLaren         1:26.252    +3.061s    95
9     Lance Stroll         Aston Martin    1:26.579    +3.388s    143
10    Robert Shwartzman    Ferrari         1:26.694    +3.503s    73
11    Charles Leclerc      Ferrari         1:26.989    +3.798s    87
12    Valtteri Bottas      Alfa Romeo      1:27.183    +3.992s    127
13    Antonio Fuoco        Ferrari         1:27.324    +4.133s    146
14    Yuki Tsunoda         AlphaTauri      1:27.348    +4.157s    131
15    Logan Sargeant       Williams        1:27.476    +4.285s    92
16    Esteban Ocon         Alpine          1:27.553    +4.362s    128
17    Max Verstappen       Red Bull        1:28.013    +4.822s    124
18    George Russell       Mercedes        1:28.062    +4.871s    132
19    Mick Schumacher      Haas            1:29.099    +5.908s    100

 

[Speedster]

De Vries fastest on first day of F1 post-season Abu Dhabi test

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De Vries fastest on first day of F1 post-season Abu Dhabi test

Nyck de Vries topped the opening day of Formula 1’s post-season test running in Abu Dhabi for Mercedes as Valtteri Bottas made his first appearance for Alfa Romeo.
De Vries fastest on first day of F1 post-season Abu Dhabi test
Formula E champion de Vries featured as Mercedes’ young driver for the test at the Yas Marina Circuit that was split between rookies in this year’s cars and current F1 drivers sampling the new 18-inch tyres in modified mule cars ahead of 2022.

De Vries set a fastest lap time of 1m23.194s in the final 30 minutes of the day, giving him P1 by over 1.3 seconds from AlphaTauri’s Liam Lawson, who enjoyed his first F1 outing.
F2 champion and Alpine reserve driver Oscar Piastri ended the day third-fastest, just 0.006s shy of Lawson’s time, while IndyCar race winner Pato O’Ward completed over two race distances en route to fourth place for McLaren, with the test being a prize for his first victory earlier this year. O’Ward had led the morning session for McLaren, but only shaved six-tenths of a second off his lap in the afternoon.
Both Bottas and Guanyu Zhou made their first appearances for Alfa Romeo on Tuesday. Bottas was given permission by Mercedes to take part in the test with his new team for 2022, and donned a plain white race suit for the running in the mule car.
Zhou finished the day fifth overall ahead Red Bull junior Juri Vips, who caused one of three red flags that interrupted Tuesday’s running after spinning at Turn 14 and damaging his car.
Aston Martin simulator driver Nick Yelloly finished seventh ahead of Daniel Ricciardo, who was the leading driver in a mule car on the 2022 tyre compounds, finishing 1.6 seconds off O’Ward’s time in the unmodified McLaren that raced this year. Ricciardo caused the first red flag of the day in the second hour.


Lance Stroll finished ninth for Aston Martin, while Robert Shwartzman completed the top 10 after taking part in the afternoon session for Ferrari. He split young driver running with Antonio Fuoco, who also tested the mule car after Charles Leclerc featured in the morning, ending up 11th.
Bottas finished 12th ahead of Fuoco and Yuki Tsunoda, while Logan Sargeant enjoyed his first running in an F1 car with Williams finishing 15th. A power unit issue meant his day ended with almost 90 minutes to run, but the American nevertheless managed to complete his planned programme, racking up 92 laps.
Esteban Ocon finished 16th for Alpine ahead of Max Verstappen, who made his first appearance on-track as world champion for Red Bull. He was followed by George Russell, who is testing on both days for Mercedes in the mule car before joining the team full-time for 2022. Mick Schumacher propped up the running order for Haas in 19th place.
The final day of testing takes place on Wednesday in Abu Dhabi. As teams are only permitted to field a young driver on one day of the test, only Haas will run two cars tomorrow, running Shwartzman and Pietro Fittipaldi. Williams will not feature on the second day of testing due as it does not have a mule car.

Results:

Pos Driver Team Time Gap Laps
1 Nyck de Vries Mercedes 1:23.191 77
2 Liam Lawson AlphaTauri 1:24.517 +1.326s 125
3 Oscar Piastri Alpine 1:24.523 +1.332s 131
4 Patricio O'Ward McLaren 1:24.607 +1.416s 92
5 Guanyu Zhou Alfa Romeo 1:25.142 +1.951s 119
6 Juri Vips Red Bull 1:25.198 +2.007s 97
7 Nick Yelloly Aston Martin 1:25.333 +2.142s 118
8 Daniel Ricciardo McLaren 1:26.252 +3.061s 95
9 Lance Stroll Aston Martin 1:26.579 +3.388s 143
10 Robert Shwartzman Ferrari 1:26.694 +3.503s 73
11 Charles Leclerc Ferrari 1:26.989 +3.798s 87
12 Valtteri Bottas Alfa Romeo 1:27.183 +3.992s 127
13 Antonio Fuoco Ferrari 1:27.324 +4.133s 146
14 Yuki Tsunoda AlphaTauri 1:27.348 +4.157s 131
15 Logan Sargeant Williams 1:27.476 +4.285s 92
16 Esteban Ocon Alpine 1:27.553 +4.362s 128
17 Max Verstappen Red Bull 1:28.013 +4.822s 124
18 George Russell Mercedes 1:28.062 +4.871s 132
19 Mick Schumacher Haas 1:29.099 +5.908s 100

Guy in this year's Merc whipping the rest of the field. Why am I not surprised?

 

[JerryMungo]

Guy in this year's Merc whipping the rest of the field. Why am I not surprised?

How about the WC in 17th with Liam Lawson in an Alfa in second place? And Juri Vips 6th in the other RB with 90 odd laps to Verstappen's 120 odd?
Don't think there's much to read into it.

 

[Speedster]

How about the WC in 17th with Liam Lawson in an Alfa in second place? And Juri Vips 6th in the other RB with 90 odd laps to Verstappen's 120 odd?
Don't think there's much to read into it.

The newbies are driving this year's cars. The proper F1 drivers are in old cars fitted with 18" tires. I think the newbie times say a lot, the vets in the mule cars mean nothing of value.

 

[JerryMungo]

So is Oscar Piastri the next big thing in F1?
He's been quite something from Formula Renault 2019 champ to F3 2020 champ to F2 2021 champ. Don't recall if there's been anyone that successful in recent times?

 

[Naks]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1470691596920360966

 

[hawker]

De Vries fastest on first day of F1 post-season Abu Dhabi test

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De Vries fastest on first day of F1 post-season Abu Dhabi test

Nyck de Vries topped the opening day of Formula 1’s post-season test running in Abu Dhabi for Mercedes as Valtteri Bottas made his first appearance for Alfa Romeo.
De Vries fastest on first day of F1 post-season Abu Dhabi test
Formula E champion de Vries featured as Mercedes’ young driver for the test at the Yas Marina Circuit that was split between rookies in this year’s cars and current F1 drivers sampling the new 18-inch tyres in modified mule cars ahead of 2022.

De Vries set a fastest lap time of 1m23.194s in the final 30 minutes of the day, giving him P1 by over 1.3 seconds from AlphaTauri’s Liam Lawson, who enjoyed his first F1 outing.
F2 champion and Alpine reserve driver Oscar Piastri ended the day third-fastest, just 0.006s shy of Lawson’s time, while IndyCar race winner Pato O’Ward completed over two race distances en route to fourth place for McLaren, with the test being a prize for his first victory earlier this year. O’Ward had led the morning session for McLaren, but only shaved six-tenths of a second off his lap in the afternoon.
Both Bottas and Guanyu Zhou made their first appearances for Alfa Romeo on Tuesday. Bottas was given permission by Mercedes to take part in the test with his new team for 2022, and donned a plain white race suit for the running in the mule car.
Zhou finished the day fifth overall ahead Red Bull junior Juri Vips, who caused one of three red flags that interrupted Tuesday’s running after spinning at Turn 14 and damaging his car.
Aston Martin simulator driver Nick Yelloly finished seventh ahead of Daniel Ricciardo, who was the leading driver in a mule car on the 2022 tyre compounds, finishing 1.6 seconds off O’Ward’s time in the unmodified McLaren that raced this year. Ricciardo caused the first red flag of the day in the second hour.


Lance Stroll finished ninth for Aston Martin, while Robert Shwartzman completed the top 10 after taking part in the afternoon session for Ferrari. He split young driver running with Antonio Fuoco, who also tested the mule car after Charles Leclerc featured in the morning, ending up 11th.
Bottas finished 12th ahead of Fuoco and Yuki Tsunoda, while Logan Sargeant enjoyed his first running in an F1 car with Williams finishing 15th. A power unit issue meant his day ended with almost 90 minutes to run, but the American nevertheless managed to complete his planned programme, racking up 92 laps.
Esteban Ocon finished 16th for Alpine ahead of Max Verstappen, who made his first appearance on-track as world champion for Red Bull. He was followed by George Russell, who is testing on both days for Mercedes in the mule car before joining the team full-time for 2022. Mick Schumacher propped up the running order for Haas in 19th place.
The final day of testing takes place on Wednesday in Abu Dhabi. As teams are only permitted to field a young driver on one day of the test, only Haas will run two cars tomorrow, running Shwartzman and Pietro Fittipaldi. Williams will not feature on the second day of testing due as it does not have a mule car.

Results:

Pos   Driver               Team            Time         Gap       Laps
1     Nyck de Vries        Mercedes        1:23.191               77
2     Liam Lawson          AlphaTauri      1:24.517    +1.326s    125
3     Oscar Piastri        Alpine          1:24.523    +1.332s    131
4     Patricio O'Ward      McLaren         1:24.607    +1.416s    92
5     Guanyu Zhou          Alfa Romeo      1:25.142    +1.951s    119
6     Juri Vips            Red Bull        1:25.198    +2.007s    97
7     Nick Yelloly         Aston Martin    1:25.333    +2.142s    118
8     Daniel Ricciardo     McLaren         1:26.252    +3.061s    95
9     Lance Stroll         Aston Martin    1:26.579    +3.388s    143
10    Robert Shwartzman    Ferrari         1:26.694    +3.503s    73
11    Charles Leclerc      Ferrari         1:26.989    +3.798s    87
12    Valtteri Bottas      Alfa Romeo      1:27.183    +3.992s    127
13    Antonio Fuoco        Ferrari         1:27.324    +4.133s    146
14    Yuki Tsunoda         AlphaTauri      1:27.348    +4.157s    131
15    Logan Sargeant       Williams        1:27.476    +4.285s    92
16    Esteban Ocon         Alpine          1:27.553    +4.362s    128
17    Max Verstappen       Red Bull        1:28.013    +4.822s    124
18    George Russell       Mercedes        1:28.062    +4.871s    132
19    Mick Schumacher      Haas            1:29.099    +5.908s    100

Damn Russell... 132 laps and 4.8 seconds off the pace - there are kids there that have never driven an F1 car smashing him.

 

[Naks]

These times are meaningless, they are only trying to understand how these new 18" tyres work.

 

[Speedster]

Damn Russell... 132 laps and 4.8 seconds off the pace - there are kids there that have never driven an F1 car smashing him.

As mentioned above, kids are in proper F1 cars. The F1 guys are driving old cars with 18" tyres

 

[Speedster]

These times are meaningless, they are only trying to understand how these new 18" tyres work.

Meaningless for the 18" cars, pretty interesting for the youngsters in this year's f1 cars. E.g. look how far ahead the Merc is

 

[Mike Hoxbig]

Meaningless for the 18" cars, pretty interesting for the youngsters in this year's f1 cars. E.g. look how far ahead the Merc is

Once they get to grips (lol) with it, I'm sure the times will get there. The lighties obviously have a point to prove, whereas the veterans are just testing and doing development work...

 

[Speedster]

Once they get to grips (lol) with it, I'm sure the times will get there. The lighties obviously have a point to prove, whereas the veterans are just testing and doing development work...

The mule cars aren't necessarily optimised so the times don't say much, it's just to see what the tires do.

The kids in the proper cars are, as you say, on the big stage and giving it their all. That Merc being so far ahead speaks volumes though.

 

[thestaggy]

So is Oscar Piastri the next big thing in F1?
He's been quite something from Formula Renault 2019 champ to F3 2020 champ to F2 2021 champ. Don't recall if there's been anyone that successful in recent times?

George Russell had an impressive run to F1.

2014: British F4 Champion (16-years old at the time)
2015: 6th in FIA F3
2016: 3rd in FIA F3
2017: GP3 Champion
2018: F2 Champion (Considered one of the strongest classes in recent times as Russell beat Norris, Albon and De Vries to the championship)

 

[Speedster]

George Russell had an impressive run to F1.

2014: British F4 Champion (16-years old at the time)
2015: 6th in FIA F3
2016: 3rd in FIA F3
2017: GP3 Champion
2018: F2 Champion (Considered one of the strongest classes in recent times as Russell beat Norris, Albon and De Vries to the championship)

So is Oscar Piastri the next big thing in F1?
He's been quite something from Formula Renault 2019 champ to F3 2020 champ to F2 2021 champ. Don't recall if there's been anyone that successful in recent times?

To be fair, pretty much all of them did. These guys really are the elite in their field. Here are some of the F2 / GP2 winners who made it to F1.

• Mick Schumacher: 2020 F2 champion, 2018 F3 Euro champ
• Charles le Clerc: 2017 F2 champion, 2016 GP3 champ
• Pierre Gasly: 2016 GP2 champ, 2013 Formula Renault champ
• Stoffel Vandoorne: 2015 GP2 champ, 2012 Formula Renault 2.0 champ, 2010 F4 Eurocup champ
• Roman Grosjean: 2011 GP2 Series champion, 2011 GP2 Asia Series champ, 2010 Auto GP champ, 2008 GP2 Asia Series champ, 2007 Formula 3 Euro Series champ, 2005 French Formula Renault champ, 2003 Formula Lista Junior 1.6 champ
• Niko Hulkenberg: 2009 GP2 champion, 2008 Formula 3 Euro Series champ, 2006-07 A1 GP champ, 2005 Formula BMW champ
• Lewis Hamilton: 2006 GP2 champion, 2005 Formula 3 Euro Series champ, 2003 Formula Renault UK champ
• Nico Rosberg: 2005 GP2 champion, 2002 Formula BMW champ

 

[Hamster]

Red Bull motorsport advisor Helmut Marko says Formula 1 needs simpler rules and a rethink on the way races are run following the Abu Dhabi safety car restart controversy.​

Red Bull: F1 needs rules rethink after Abu Dhabi GP controversy

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Red Bull motorsport advisor Helmut Marko says Formula 1 needs simpler rules and a rethink on the way races are run following the Abu Dhabi safety car restart controversy.

While the Milton Keynes-based team saw Max Verstappen clinch his maiden drivers’ title on Sunday, it has expressed some unease about the way events have been handled through the 2021 campaign.
The FIA has found itself in the firing line over the past 48 hours for the way F1 race director Michael Masi handled the final safety car restart.
In particular, a decision to only allow a selected few backmarkers to unlap themselves on the penultimate lap, allied to a call that goes against one of the rules in going for an immediate restart, has triggered a wave of criticisms.
The Mercedes team protested the FIA’s actions on Sunday night. And although the stewards rejected its claims, the German manufacturer is currently weighing up whether or not to take the matter to the appeal court.
The controversy over the restart has left a cloud over Verstappen’s success, and Red Bull has also suggested F1 needs to act on all that has happened this season – with changes to both the rules books and the manner in which stewards make decisions.
"The whole system needs to be rethought,” said Marko, after a season when Red Bull has been unhappy at times with FIA decisions.
“There needs to be consistency. Decisions cannot be interpreted once this way and once that way. The rules must be simplified. The premise must be: let's race!”

Marko believes that with the FIA appointing a president after Friday’s election, the opportunity is there for Jean Todt’s successor to move swiftly to ensure F1 does better in the future.
Asked if there needed to be a change of personnel, Marko said: “That in itself is not our task, but after so many mistakes and questionable decisions were made, there is certainly a great need for action.
“A new president is coming, so he will want to start here first. And the stewards should definitely be questioned.”
Asked if he was especially unhappy in how Masi handled the Abu Dhabi race, Marko said: “The rules have to be such that a quick decision can be made, and those responsible have to make them in a matter of seconds. And these decisions cannot vary in such a way.”
Red Bull team boss Christian Horner reckoned that what happened in Abu Dhabi was the latest in a series of ‘marginal calls’ that Masi had made this season.
Asked by Autosport if he felt the FIA could learn from what happened, Horner said: “I think there’s always lessons that you can learn as a team, and in life generally.
“We felt that the decisions at the beginning of the race [when Hamilton cut the chicane] went against us. We obviously felt that the decision at the end of the race [with the safety car] was right. It’s been a season like that.
“There’s been marginal calls. Some we’ve benefited from, the majority of which we’ve lost out from.”
While there are questions about the FIA’s actions on Sunday night, Marko also expressed his unhappiness at the way that Mercedes instantly protested the result.
“It was unworthy of a world championship final that the decision was delayed in this way [by a stewards’ hearing],” he said. “However, to make such appeals and protests speaks to the mindset of, I would say, an unworthy [sore] loser.”
Mercedes has until Thursday evening to decide whether or not to pursue it appeal against the stewards’ decision.
If it goes through with the action, and its complaints are accepted, then that could risk the Abu Dhabi result – and with it the world championship – being changed.
Asked if he was worried about such an outcome, Marko said: “It doesn't matter to us. We are the moral winner, whether it comes one way or the other.
“But we will reconsider our involvement in Formula 1 if it doesn't have corresponding consequences for the future championships.”

Seriously bro, use the quote tags/tool so that we don't see a wall of text on mobile.

 

[JerryMungo]

Seriously bro, use the quote tags/tool so that we don't see a wall of text on mobile.

no

 

[JerryMungo]

To be fair, pretty much all of them did. These guys really are the elite in their field. Here are some of the F2 / GP2 winners who made it to F1.

• Mick Schumacher: 2020 F2 champion, 2018 F3 Euro champ
• Charles le Clerc: 2017 F2 champion, 2016 GP3 champ
• Pierre Gasly: 2016 GP2 champ, 2013 Formula Renault champ
• Stoffel Vandoorne: 2015 GP2 champ, 2012 Formula Renault 2.0 champ, 2010 F4 Eurocup champ
• Roman Grosjean: 2011 GP2 Series champion, 2011 GP2 Asia Series champ, 2010 Auto GP champ, 2008 GP2 Asia Series champ, 2007 Formula 3 Euro Series champ, 2005 French Formula Renault champ, 2003 Formula Lista Junior 1.6 champ
• Niko Hulkenberg: 2009 GP2 champion, 2008 Formula 3 Euro Series champ, 2006-07 A1 GP champ, 2005 Formula BMW champ
• Lewis Hamilton: 2006 GP2 champion, 2005 Formula 3 Euro Series champ, 2003 Formula Renault UK champ
• Nico Rosberg: 2005 GP2 champion, 2002 Formula BMW champ

Yeah but none won three major back to backs in the juniors. Back to back titles are pretty significant IMO, particularly those won in the rookie year.